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Kyle Turris one of league's best contracts?

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11-09-2013, 02:45 PM
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11-09-2013, 02:58 PM
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Turris has been nothing but great since coming to Ottawa. And has worked hard to be a better player. This contract is a great contract. But its a small sample size.

If he is a 60 point player, its a good contract. If he's better than that, its a great contract.

But the chemistry he's had with Ryan and MacA has been great. There is a reason they are playing as the Sens first line right now. And Turris has done nothing but work hard. Its a nice thing to see.

*I was also happy when we signed him. We filled a need by giving up a player we didn't need*

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11-09-2013, 04:00 PM
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Karlsson?
The bar is set much higher for Karlsson. He has been alright (still the best defenceman in the league, but not up to snuff for him)

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11-09-2013, 04:02 PM
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Turris was not ready yet in Phoenix and he had a poor attitude. When you have the third best record in the league, and maybe the best Defensive core, Runblad won't play much. If Runblad were in Ottawa, 20th best team, he would play, a lot. In Phoenix, it is all about winning...
I thought it was about trying to get 10k fans out in Phoenix?

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11-09-2013, 04:20 PM
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He is signed at a 4.7 mil contract. Not sure that equates to being a steal of a deal.

Thanks for the decent replies so far guys. I was hesitant to start the thread because we all knew the *x player is quietly * jokes. I though was genuinely curious people's thoughts on the deal.

What I have not yet seen is besides the one comment about another players contract, is who else has such great contracts. Guys that are legit steals. Just to have something to compare Turris deal to.

Also, holy smokes, LOLK had a real post. I am flabbergasted!!
It eats up some UFA years, and has a NTC clause that kicks in 2016. For the player he'll be, and already is, that's a great contract. $4.7M for a 24 year old #1 defensemen.

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I have been rooting for him since it's first game in the NHL, in which he scored the game winning goal in shootout with a sick wrist shot. At times he was with the Coyotes, and when I heard they might trade him, I wanted so much the Habs to make an offer.

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12-05-2015, 02:44 PM
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So, bitter fan is bitter.

Turris has been one hell of a player for us. He is never complaining, hasn't missed a game. Is a top line center on a 3.5 mil deal.
So is there anyone who has a better value contract in the league right now?*
Give me Roman Josi and Seguin 10/10 times over Turris

But that's no slight to Turris's contract because it is awesome ans gives bang for bang dollars.

There's a lot of contracts in Turris's contract range that I still may take over him or vice versa.

But Seguin and Josi for sure no doubt in my mind are 2 of the best deals in the nhl besides elcs.

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12-05-2015, 03:00 PM
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So, bitter fan is bitter.

Turris has been one hell of a player for us. He is never complaining, hasn't missed a game. Is a top line center on a 3.5 mil deal.
So is there anyone who has a better value contract in the league right now?*
I guess hoffman because turris isn't 75% better than hoffman.

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12-05-2015, 03:02 PM
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Karlsson at 6.5 is also insane.

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12-05-2015, 03:03 PM
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Give me Roman Josi and Seguin 10/10 times over Turris

But that's no slight to Turris's contract because it is awesome ans gives bang for bang dollars.

There's a lot of contracts in Turris's contract range that I still may take over him or vice versa.

But Seguin and Josi for sure no doubt in my mind are 2 of the best deals in the nhl besides elcs.
Josi at 4 for sure. Josi is more than 14% better than turris.

I don't think seguin is 65% better than turris in terms of production(he's not...he's a little over 40% more productive), so you're still getting more bang for your buck with turris.

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12-05-2015, 03:12 PM
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Josi at 4 for sure. Josi is more than 14% better than turris.

I don't think seguin is 65% better than turris in terms of production(he's not...he's a little over 40% more productive), so you're still getting more bang for your buck with turris.
The effect of having Seguin at 5.25 ? Is far greater then Turris at 3.5.

Paying that little bit for that much extra production imo is bang for your buck.

I could argue Hoffman s contract is better then Turris s.

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12-05-2015, 03:19 PM
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The effect of having Seguin at 5.25 ? Is far greater then Turris at 3.5.

Paying that little bit for that much extra production imo is bang for your buck.

I could argue Hoffman s contract is better then Turris s.
im seeing 5.75, not 5.25.

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/player_s...2-seguin-tyler

Hoffman's is better than turris. I already mentioned it a few posts up.

But to answer your point, this isn't about what contract you'd rather have, but which contract get's you the most production on the dollar.

For example, i'd rather have malkin at 5 million(i know he doesnt make this im just using this for my example) than hoffman at 2 million, but hoffman's contract would still be a better deal because though malkin is better, he's not 2.5 times more productive.

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12-05-2015, 03:28 PM
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im seeing 5.75, not 5.25.

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/player_s...2-seguin-tyler

Hoffman's is better than turris. I already mentioned it a few posts up.

But to answer your point, this isn't about what contract you'd rather have, but which contract get's you the most production on the dollar.

For example, i'd rather have malkin at 5 million(i know he doesnt make this im just using this for my example) than hoffman at 2 million, but hoffman's contract would still be a better deal because though malkin is better, he's not 2.5 times more productive.
Yes 5.75. Regardless

if we go strictly bang for your buck yes Turris wins.

But as a best contracts thread would you not go for the contract that you would rather have on your team?

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12-05-2015, 03:37 PM
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funny, when the trade happened alot of sen fans here screamed that they gave up way too much.

Turris is proving to be a budding star with a really high ceiling.
That's because most posters on HF are clueless about hockey and consistently overvalue prospects and picks.

Most reasonable Sens fans called it a homerun right away, I was ecstatic when the trade was announced.

EDIT: had not realized how old this thread was.

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12-05-2015, 03:39 PM
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Yes 5.75. Regardless

if we go strictly bang for your buck yes Turris wins.

But as a best contracts thread would you not go for the contract that you would rather have on your team?
Well then wouldn't anyone name the elite players because regardless of how much they make, you would rather have them so you can build around.

No one is taking turris over evechkin or crosby or doughty or weber despite his contract being much better.

What you're thinking of is "taking contracts into account, which player would you most want on your team?" when this is more implied "what contract gives the best bang for buck"

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12-05-2015, 03:53 PM
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He is in his 1st year of a 5 year deal, where he will average 3.5 mil a season. Is currently putting up a ppg and playing not just offensive zone minutes but is actually starting most of his time in the defensive zone.

He is our senators best value contract.

Who do you feel is a better contract value, and who is your team's best valued contract.
Now what if I told you he's barely playing to 2/3d's of his potential?

Still think it's a good deal?

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12-05-2015, 03:54 PM
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Well then wouldn't anyone name the elite players because regardless of how much they make, you would rather have them so you can build around.

No one is taking turris over evechkin or crosby or doughty or weber despite his contract being much better.

What you're thinking of is "taking contracts into account, which player would you most want on your team?" when this is more implied "what contract gives the best bang for buck"
We can interpret what we believe is a better contract differently there is no problems with that.

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12-05-2015, 04:16 PM
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Now what if I told you he's barely playing to 2/3d's of his potential?

Still think it's a good deal?
I'm not sure what you mean by your questions, but I'd venture to say Turris has probably reached his peak, or very close to it. 26 is prime years for a forward.

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12-05-2015, 04:30 PM
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We can interpret what we believe is a better contract differently there is no problems with that.
So malkin has a better contract because i would trade turris for malkin?

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12-05-2015, 04:33 PM
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So malkin has a better contract because i would trade turris for malkin?
If that's your interpretation.

But see I'd rather have 3 Turris's then 1 Malkin

I only get 1 and half turris's for Seguin.

I'd gladly take 3 turris's over 1 Malkin

But keep Seguin over 1 and a half Turris s

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The effect of having Seguin at 5.25 ? Is far greater then Turris at 3.5.

Paying that little bit for that much extra production imo is bang for your buck.

I could argue Hoffman s contract is better then Turris s.
I don't think you can, really. Hoffman's contract is better this year, but will be worse next year, and until Turris' contract is over. Turris was underpaid for 5 years - Hoffman will be underpaid for one year.

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John Klingberg has one of the best contracts in the nhl 4.25 mill for the next 7 years, locked up until hes 30

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12-05-2015, 10:23 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by your questions, but I'd venture to say Turris has probably reached his peak, or very close to it. 26 is prime years for a forward.
He has a peak but hasn't done the extra work to get to said peak.

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He has a peak but hasn't done the extra work to get to said peak.
You think Turris has more to give?

I'm not sure. Some players always leave you feeling like they're not giving 100%, but that can be their style of play too.

Remember Kovalev? Jesus he was frustrating.

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12-05-2015, 10:49 PM
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You just had to go and necro-bump your old thread and jinx Turris didn't you?

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