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11-08-2013, 04:53 PM
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Could have gotten something better other than Conacher. I think Read for the flyers was the other piece. Sens would have benefit from read than conacher, IMO.
Read is what Ottawa wanted since conacher was on the table.

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11-08-2013, 04:55 PM
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It was a good trade both ways.

Hell Conacher already has scored a huge playoff goal for the team.

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11-08-2013, 04:58 PM
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Ottawa had to ship somebody, and it's not like Conacher has been bad in Ottawa by any means. If anyone hates this trade, it's Edmonton. They could've shipped a guy like Pajaarvi and gotten Bishop and then some. I remember when Pajaarvi was untouchable, same with Ryan Jones, and now they are borderline NHL/AHLers.

Back on track, Ottawa had to make a move, and Conacher has been just fine for Ottawa. Not as lopsided as you think and Bishop hasn't proved himself to be a true #1 goalie yet. Could pan out to be like Lindback.

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11-08-2013, 04:59 PM
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Looking at some of the recent trades of say the last 5 years, where does this rank among the worst? It's possible Conacher may not be in the NHL in under 4 years. Meanwhile Bishop has a shot at team USA for Sochi.

How did the Sens scouting screw this one up?
They didn't. Sens have Lehner. Bishop was redundant.

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So far, it looks like a good trade for Ottawa and a great trade for Tampa. Neither side is mad at that deal and both sides got better in varying degrees... so no, it's not anywhere close to a bad trade.


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11-08-2013, 04:59 PM
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That surprises me. He's been tracking the puck amazingly well.

Also, I don't know what goal you're talking about from last night... The guy that got off a rifle alone in the slot or the snipe by Hall?
The one where he guessed and hugged the post and he went far side. I was at two games in the hundreds here in Ottawa where he had a real hard time tracking the puck but also made some big saves.

NYR was purposely missing the net on the PP and they scored two goals in 10 minutes like that.

Tracking a puck is a talent that can be developed, and be developed quickly. He probably never had to because he was so big. Maybe he worked on it?

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11-08-2013, 05:01 PM
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They could have gotten more for Bishop though but he probably wouldn't have been able to prove how good he is in Ottawa.
Exactly, I choose Andy and Lehner 10/10 over Bishop still. We all knew he could be a solid goalie he just would never be able to prove that value. Look at the Bernier trade, similar situation. We had an asset and took a swing, I'm not losing any sleep over Ben Bishop.


Don't see him on Team USA either.

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11-08-2013, 05:03 PM
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Conacher hasnt really been bad. It was fair value at the time. I think most sens fans are happy with his compete level.

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11-08-2013, 05:04 PM
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Conacher is an nhl caliber player. No question. He's not a top 6er. That's fine.

The deal though is certainly a win for the TBL. No question. In saying that, trades involving goalies are not usually big returns.

I am certain this is not the worst deal of the last 5 years.

I give the award to the Habs. Ryan McD Pavel Valentenko, Doug Jannik and Chris Higgins for Scott Gomez Tom Pyatt and Michael Busto.


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Agree on this one, and what makes it even worse is that the Rangers were trying to dump Gomez so they could sign... I think it was Gaborik? Total amateur hour for assessing the Rangers position there.

But I don't see anything wrong with the Ottawa trade. That's just the way it works out when trading these young goalies stuck as 2nd/3rd string tenders on another team. Don't forget that Tampa also gave up roughly the same assets for Anders Lindback.

Sometimes you get a Mikka Kipprusoff, and sometimes you get a Mikka Noronen. More often than not these trades end up being the latter. Why does that happen? I like to think that all goalies are a little crazy in the head, so regardless of how much you scout you never know what you're truly getting unless the stars happen to align correctly.

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11-08-2013, 05:08 PM
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What are you talking about?
Ottawa has absolutely no need for Bishop, and Conacher is a fine player that will most likely only get better

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funny how the whole board was saying Tampa got fleeced. Now everyone is saying how Ottawa got fleeced and they knew it at the time.

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11-08-2013, 05:09 PM
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The only team that should regret this trade is Edmonton.
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11-08-2013, 05:11 PM
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funny how the whole board was saying Tampa got fleeced. Now everyone is saying how Ottawa got fleeced and they knew it at the time.
Yzerman is a fool... Yzerman is an awful GM.

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11-08-2013, 05:15 PM
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I will never forgive myself for doubting Yzerman for 15 minutes or so when I heard we gave up Conacher. It's true that it was a great trade for the Lightning especially since even with the loss of Conacher we are still loaded at young depth at forward, Conacher has been fine in Ottawa from the games I've seen so I wouldn't call it a win-loss trade. I do wonder if Ottawa regrets trading Bishop to a team that would be in the same division the next season.

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I still hate that the blues traded Big Ben.

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11-08-2013, 05:17 PM
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This thread is ridiculous.

This trade turned out how Ottawa fans expected. We knew Bishop was really, really good. His performance is consistent with what we would expect - capable starter, but not as good as our other #2 goaltender, Robin Lehner. We had three starters, and we moved the worst of the three. (He's still the worst of the three, by the way.)

Conacher has played really well for us and only shows signs of getting better.

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Yzerman is a fool... Yzerman is an awful GM.

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Worst GM ever omg.

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I don't think it was that bad of a trade for the sens. They had three goalies and they needed to get rid of one. Anderson was obviously not going to be traded. Lehner is the type of goalie that no team should trade at all. Bishop was the obvious choice. He was not going to get the sens much, so getting conacher was an okay deal imo.

I say it is a win-win type of trade. Tampa got what they desperately needed and ottawa got what they needed as well.

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11-08-2013, 05:32 PM
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Bishop was great for us, but in a different situation, other teams didn't know.

The Sens were high on Conacher because of his 85 points in the AHL, and he did well in the NHL. Good on Yzerman for recognizing how the players and trade would unfold.

But Conacher + 4th is the best we were offered, and we traded Bishop because we wanted to give him an opportunity to get on with his NHL career after agreeing to go to the AHL and fighting as a backup when he didn't have to. It was a trade we won as long as we got a 2nd back, so we won with Conacher.

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You hope a 2nd rounder is Conacher.

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The thing about goaltender is only one of them can be playing for your team at any one time. If you can get a roster player for a goaltender and not hurt your goaltending, that's a win right there.

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The Sens benefitted from having extreme depth in goal. Did they lose the trade? Probably. Did the trade make their team weaker or stronger? They probably got stronger.

Bishop likely wouldn't crack their roster. Simple as that. Kudos to them for building depth at the goaltender postion.

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11-08-2013, 05:47 PM
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Looking at some of the recent trades of say the last 5 years, where does this rank among the worst? It's possible Conacher may not be in the NHL in under 4 years. Meanwhile Bishop has a shot at team USA for Sochi.

How did the Sens scouting screw this one up?
**** that. He sucked so ****ing much at the WC.

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I do wonder if Ottawa regrets trading Bishop to a team that would be in the same division the next season.
I'm sure this was considered since we knew TB would be joining our division at the time of trade. Sens liked Conacher, so it was him & divisional rival or thrash deals from other teams.

Keeping Bishop was not a possibility because Lehner was ready to the point that it was wrong to keep Lehner in the AHL.

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Could have gotten something better other than Conacher. I think Read for the flyers was the other piece. Sens could have benefit from read than conacher, IMO.
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I've never heard that, Philly offered Read? can you confirm with a link? Otherwise I could sit here and say Ottawa should've traded "X" player and it would've been better than "Y" player.
That's because it's completely fabricated. Read was never on the table.

The Conacher-Bishop deal happened for a few reasons:
1. Lehner was unhappy playing in the AHL and visibly ready for NHL competition
2. Anderson was about to return from injury, giving us three goaltenders and only two spots
3. Bishop had been the weakest of the three goalies
4. Ottawa was decimated by injuries and preferred a roster player over a pick
5. Our offence was particularly anemic while our defence was stellar, necessitating a forward as the return


Three teams are generally thought to have been placing offers for Bishop:
a) Edmonton (Jones + 4th)
b) Philadelphia (X + 4th)
c) Tampa (Conacher/2nd + 4th)

The X from Philly has been speculated to be Rinaldo or some other bottom six player. Read and Couturier were both requested by Bryan Murray but evidently Holmgren turned him down.


Of those three offers what would you choose?

Keep in mind that you have:
1. A ticking time bomb in Bishop (would have left in the off-season)
2. Lehner waiting impatiently in the minors
3. The trade deadline looming


My initial reaction (and I think the reaction of most Sens fans) was as follows:
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I like the trade, but I wouldn't call it a steal for the Sens just yet.

Conacher's been great this year and has put up numbers in the AHL and NHL, but he's still relatively unproven. Playing with Stamkos and MSL can inflate a guy's numbers. I'll admit, though, I've only seen him a few times (where he was pretty impressive for a rookie). There's lots of potential there, but a lot of things need to go right for a 5'8 guy to succeed long-term in the NHL.

Let's not forget what a stellar goalie Bish was for us. I wish him the best in Tampa (and the worst when we play him, aha).

No need to determine a winner or a loser immediately. Both teams get something they need; scoring and goaltending.
Many neutral fans were proclaiming Ottawa the winner, but most Sens fans knew Bish was awesome for us. Glad to see him doing well in TB.

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