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11-09-2013, 11:37 AM
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Tor:
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Mason
Gagner

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Simmonds
Gardiner


Phil:
Reimer
Eberle
1st (edm)
1st (tor)
So were trading Mason, Couturier, Coburn, and Simmonds? No thanks. Mason has been our MVP this season so Reimer does nothing for us. The firsts are nice but it's worth it from Philly.

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11-09-2013, 11:38 AM
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Tor:
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Mason
Gagner

Edm:
Couturier
Simmonds
Gardiner


Phil:
Reimer
Eberle
1st (edm)
1st (tor)
Edmonto is going to give up Eberle, Gagner and a 1st and only get back Simmonds Couturier and Gardiner? that's pretty bad deal.

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11-09-2013, 11:40 AM
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So were trading Mason, Couturier, Coburn, and Simmonds? No thanks. Mason has been our MVP this season so Reimer does nothing for us. The firsts are nice but it's worth it from Philly.
In what world do the flyers lose that trade

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11-09-2013, 11:40 AM
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Edmonto is going to give up Eberle, Gagner and a 1st and only get back Simmonds Couturier and Gardiner? that's pretty bad deal.
Ya just looked at it again....its pretty bad for them. Just found it hard to balance one way without tipping the other side.

Deff a shake up trade tho. Haha. Imo simmonds and couts fit nice, and gards may light schultz up. Its hard to make a 3 teamer

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11-09-2013, 11:40 AM
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11-09-2013, 11:43 AM
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Ya just looked at it again....its pretty bad for them. Just found it hard to balance one ya without tipping the other side
3 way trades are hard to make that will benifit every team involved.

Edmonton and Philly would be better off trading one on one.

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11-09-2013, 11:44 AM
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How is it not? Simmonds is the most overrated player I've seen recently, its a bit ridiculous. You'd think he was Cam Neely. Luke Schenn's value is very, very low.
THere's not a lot of beef in that argument.

Eberle is a 70-76 pt winger on a $6.0 contract. (EDITED to increase Eberle by 1pt. )

Simmonds is a 49-60 pt winger on a $3.9+ contract. (EDITED to decrease Simmonds by 1 pt. )

Eberle is the much better player--no one is seriously contesting that. On the other hand, Simmonds is on the better contract. There's a gap in value, to be sure, but not nearly as large as you seem to be implying.

I'm surprised at the number of Oilers fans suggesting that L. Schenn is somehow valueless because he was a healthy scratch for a few games...


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11-09-2013, 11:45 AM
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Eberle is clearly more valuable, but not far more valuable. Schenn has FAR more value than Hemsky, who has negative value.

FWIW, I've been a huge Simmonds fan since the 2010 playoff series vs. Vancouver. He really stood out then, and has only improved and become more well known since then. I would argue that out of the two, Eberle is at least as overrated.
Hemsky has low value, but not negative. Negative value rarely actually exists in reality, despite what HF seems to think. Schenn is just as overpaid as Hemsky, and is on a long term deal, so there's more of a risk in wrapping up salary long term on a useless player.

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11-09-2013, 11:47 AM
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Hemsky has low value, but not negative. Negative value rarely actually exists in reality, despite what HF seems to think. Schenn is just as overpaid as Hemsky, and is on a long term deal, so there's more of a risk in wrapping up salary long term on a useless player.
Sure it does.

Lombardi (negative value with unaffordable cap hit for the Preds) and Franson (to make up for negative value) for Lebda (negative value with affordable cap hit).

I agree though, Hemsky is not even close to negative value.

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11-09-2013, 11:47 AM
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I would be highly entertained if Hemsky and Simmonds went out for warm ups with their respective teams, only to get flipped and have to play against their teams.

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11-09-2013, 11:50 AM
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THere's not a lot of beef in that argument.

Eberle is a 70-75 pt winger on a $6.0 contract.

Simmonds is a 50-60 pt winger on a $3.9+ contract.

Eberle is the much better player--no one is seriously contesting that. On the other hand, Simmonds is on the better contract. There's a gap in value, to be sure, but not nearly as large as you seem to be implying.

I'm surprised at the number of Oilers fans suggesting that L. Schenn is somehow valueless because he was a healthy scratch for a few games...
Simmonds has never reached 50 points, although he was on pace last year. The difference, is that Eberle is the kind of player who creates offense, regardless of who his linemates are. He is a playmaker, and a sniper. Simmonds won't put points up unless you put him with offense first players. Guys who create offense consistently are far more valuable than guys who contribute, but need to play with a star to put up big numbers.

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11-09-2013, 11:51 AM
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Both PHI and EDM are clueless as to what they are doing.

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11-09-2013, 11:59 AM
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Simmonds has never reached 50 points, although he was on pace last year. The difference, is that Eberle is the kind of player who creates offense, regardless of who his linemates are. He is a playmaker, and a sniper. Simmonds won't put points up unless you put him with offense first players. Guys who create offense consistently are far more valuable than guys who contribute, but need to play with a star to put up big numbers.
He had 49. He had another season of 40 with 78 games played in 3rd line minutes.

While I don't disagree with our characterization of Eberle's game, you've left out the aspects of Simmonds game that Eberle doesn't bring. More to the point, you've completely ignored the contracts, which in a cap era, are relevant.

Again, there's a gap, but its not Couturier or B. Schenn-sized like some Oilers fans have suggested.

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11-09-2013, 12:00 PM
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Both PHI and EDM are clueless as to what they are doing.
Yup, could make for a hilariously bad trade. Not sure whether to be excited or horrified by this...

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11-09-2013, 12:03 PM
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If they want cap space THIS year what difference does his pending free agency have?
If they want cap space to get better this year, why are they trading Wayne Simmonds?

Bottom line: There's no reason to clear cap space for this year, and no one has suggested such a thing that I've seen.

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David Rundblad and a 2nd

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Hemsky at half price?

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In what world do the flyers lose that trade
A world in which the Flyers aren't outright tanking and going into a complete rebuild.

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Simmonds has never reached 50 points, although he was on pace last year. The difference, is that Eberle is the kind of player who creates offense, regardless of who his linemates are. He is a playmaker, and a sniper. Simmonds won't put points up unless you put him with offense first players. Guys who create offense consistently are far more valuable than guys who contribute, but need to play with a star to put up big numbers.
Not to mention the fact he claims Eberle is only a 70-75 point guy when he's already scored MORE than that before

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THere's not a lot of beef in that argument.

Eberle is a 70-75 pt winger on a $6.0 contract.

Simmonds is a 50-60 pt winger on a $3.9+ contract.

Eberle is the much better player--no one is seriously contesting that. On the other hand, Simmonds is on the better contract. There's a gap in value, to be sure, but not nearly as large as you seem to be implying.

I'm surprised at the number of Oilers fans suggesting that L. Schenn is somehow valueless because he was a healthy scratch for a few games...
How is Simmonds a 50-60pt winger when he has not even once scored 50 points? While Eberle, who has a 76pt season is 70-75pt winger?

We don't want L. Schenn, he is worth a bag of pucks for us.

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11-09-2013, 12:15 PM
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Not to mention the fact he claims Eberle is only a 70-75 point guy when he's already scored MORE than that before
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How is Simmonds a 50-60pt winger when he has not even once scored 50 points? While Eberle, who has a 76pt season is 70-75pt winger?

I'll gladly up the 75 to a 76 and drop Simmonds from 50 to 49--just for the two of you..

You get the point. He's near a PPG player. That's the 70-75 range.

Simmonds scored 49, and was on pace for, what, 58 last year?

So 70-75 and 50-60 seemed reasonable, but I can respect the demand for details.

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How is Simmonds a 50-60pt winger when he has not even once scored 50 points? While Eberle, who has a 76pt season is 70-75pt winger?

We don't want L. Schenn, he is worth a bag of pucks for us.
Simmonds makes half of what Eberle does, and puts up decent numbers and actually knows how to play in his own zone. There's more to hockey than putting up points, something the Oilers haven't figured out yet.

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Simmonds makes half of what Eberle does, and puts up similar numbers and actually knows how to play in his own zone. There's more to hockey than putting up points.
When has Simmonds put up similar numbers as Eberle?

Eberle career ppg: 0.8
Simmonds career ppg: 0.47

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When has Simmonds put up similar numbers as Eberle?

Eberle career ppg: 0.8
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Not that far off.

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No Tim that's just you blowing smoke up everybody's ass.

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