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11-08-2013, 11:45 PM
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Cap Space

So I figure this is worth its own thread. Nothing to do with our moves. How much cap space did we have. according to Cap geek we have like 7.5 mill. Is it because of the bonuses? What is our cap position. thanks.

edit. 6 mill and change. http://www.capgeek.com/

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So I figure this is worth its own thread. Nothing to do with our moves. How much cap space did we have. according to Cap geek we have like 7.5 mill. Is it because of the bonuses? What is our cap position. thanks.

edit. 6 mill and change. http://www.capgeek.com/
If you scroll down it says we have 9.1mill in potential bonuses.

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If you scroll down it says we have 9.1mill in potential bonuses.
ahhh ic.

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Schultz, RNH and Yakupov all have a potential 2.8mill each in bonuses, although I dont think 2 of them will get even close to that.

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Schultz, RNH and Yakupov all have a potential 2.8mill each in bonuses, although I dont think 2 of them will get even close to that.
Well, Yaks, you can bet he isn't going to reach them. Any way, I see, it is the bonuses. thanks.

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Schultz, RNH and Yakupov all have a potential 2.8mill each in bonuses, although I dont think 2 of them will get even close to that.
I think it's safe to subtract 2.0m in possible bonuses from each of them. It's incredibly difficult to earn the maximum allowed $2m league-wide performance bonuses on entry level contracts.

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11-09-2013, 02:10 AM
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I think Hemsky gets moved tomorrow right before Game against Philly or right after.

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I think Hemsky gets moved tomorrow right before Game against Philly or right after.
MacT said he hopes he's done making moves for a while. I think this is it. What a crappy trade.

Also, I'd still like to know why he was scouting the Rangers.

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11-09-2013, 03:17 AM
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We should have a decent amount of cap room in the summer I guess especially if the cap rises provided they don't take on long term salary for Hemsky if they move him this season.

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11-09-2013, 08:45 AM
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I think it's safe to subtract 2.0m in possible bonuses from each of them. It's incredibly difficult to earn the maximum allowed $2m league-wide performance bonuses on entry level contracts.
How can those bonuses be earned?

Is it relatively standard or specific to each player?

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Who needs playoffs when you have cap space?

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How can those bonuses be earned?

Is it relatively standard or specific to each player?
They are standard bonuses built into any entry level deal that has bonuses. I think a team can pick and chose which ones to include should the player not have a max entry level deal (all three of RNH, Yak, and Schultz due)

http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-do-en...contracts-work

A bunch of bonuses based on things like ice time, points, goals, +/- etc, then more bonuses should you win an award

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11-09-2013, 10:42 AM
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Why the Oilers have less cap space then you think

*Too Long Didn't Read summary at bottom of post

Capgeek is a great tool, but sometimes it can be misleading.

If after the Smid trade and Bryzgalov signing, you think the Oilers have roughly $6.1 million in available cap space as capgeek reports, you are wrong.

If you look at the Oilers page on capgeek and mouse over the ? by the available capspace you will see this:


The key wording is "If the team exceeds the bonus cushion (7.5 percent of the upper limit), cap space could be less than shown here"

When the bonus cushion is in affect, teams can exceed the salary cap in performance bonuses by up to 7.5 percent of the salary cap's upper limit. Should performance bonuses actually earned at season's end push them past the salary cap's upper limit, the excess bonuses earned will be carried over as a penalty to the team's cap payroll the following season. The bonus cushion for this year is 7.5% of 64.3 million or 4.82 million.

The Oilers have $9.16 million in performance bonuses according to cap geek. They can allocate 4.82 million of that to the bonus cushion.
Leaving $4.34 million in performance bonuses that must count towards the upper limit 64.3 million and lowers the available cap space to roughly $1.76 million as of today. (and also explains why Smid needed to be traded for cap space).


The CBA specifies that performance bonuses need to be used in salary cap calculations until they are no longer achievable. A lot of the $9.16 million in performance bonuses will most likely not be achieved, but still need to be used in cap space calculations. In fact it is possible that some of the bonuses have already been ruled unachievable (impossible to do unless you have the exact conditions of the performance bonuses), giving the Oilers slighty more cap space. Oilers may gain some more cap space as the season progresses and the bonuses prove unachievable.

If you are asking where the $9.16 million in performance bonuses comes from, its from the ELCs of RNH ($2.85mil), Yakupov ($2.85mil), Pitlick ($11.7k), Schultz ($2.85mil), and Belov ($600k).
Capgeek has a good FAQ on how bonuses in ELCs can be structured here: http://capgeek.com/faq/how-do-entry-...contracts-work


TLDR: because the Oilers have performance bonuses that exceed the 7.5% bonus cushion, the Oilers have much less cap space than what capgeek shows, perhaps as low as $1.76 million

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It's not only the bonus cushion. Look at all the injuries we've had. When they bring up a guy they have to eat his cap hit plus the money of the dude on IR. I'm sure it's adding up but not really accounted for at the moment on cap geek. If there is a doubt that they are concerned how do you explain them running with only 20 on the active roster at times? It's definitely a worry.

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to be fair, yakupov wont be hitting many bonuses this year

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just four threads down from this one

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Capgeek appears to be missing the Schedule B bonuses allowed for finishing
- Top 10 in league-wide Goals, Assists, Points or PPG (min 42 games). (forwards and dmen ranked separately)
- Finishing top 10 in TOI, aggregate or per game. (dmen only)
- Top 5 in GAA (25 game min, 30 min/game), Saves (same) or Wins. (goaltenders).

Here's the Malkin rookie contract which shows how the Penguins setup his bonuses:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16855

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Thanks sureloss and Spawn.

Reading through the bonus cushion rule it appears that bonuses over $4.8M in a season effect the following year's cap.

I see four players having a realistic chance at earning bonuses.

Nuge has the possibility of hitting the Goals, Assists Points, Average TOI and Total TOI numbers. Giving him the maximum $850K

Yak can hit the average TOI number as sitting out games gives him a smaller denominator for coming up with an average.

J.Schultz and Belov should hit the average and total TOI numbers.

RNH - 825,000
Yak - 212,500
J.Sch 425,000
Belov 425,000

A little under $1.9M in total bonuses. Don't see any players hitting the Schedule B bonuses under the current CBA, even those listed below. Major awards? All stars? So the Oilers really do have a little over $6M in cap room.

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Capgeek appears to be missing the Schedule B bonuses allowed for finishing
- Top 10 in league-wide Goals, Assists, Points or PPG (min 42 games). (forwards and dmen ranked separately)
- Finishing top 10 in TOI, aggregate or per game. (dmen only)
- Top 5 in GAA (25 game min, 30 min/game), Saves (same) or Wins. (goaltenders).

Here's the Malkin rookie contract which shows how the Penguins setup his bonuses:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16855
The Malkin rookie contract was written up under the terms of the old CBA. Confusing that both CBAs use Schedule A and B bonuses to refer to similar parts of the agreement.


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The Malkin rookie contract was written up under the terms of the old CBA. Confusing that both CBAs use Schedule A and B bonuses to refer to similar parts of the agreement.
The Schedule A & B allowed performance bonuses are the exact same in the new CBA as they were in the old 2005 CBA.

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If we're talking next year, we best be making offers on Stastny and Phaneuf.

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I get the feeling they are going after Phaneuf next summer. They will have the cap room. Mac T will probably offer something stupid.

Phaneuf Petry
Ference Schultz
Larsen Nurse
Klefbom

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I get the feeling they are going after Phaneuf next summer. They will have the cap room. Mac T will probably offer something stupid.

Phaneuf Petry
Ference Schultz
Larsen Nurse
Klefbom
I'd go for that at this point. I'd easily go for that.

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