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11-12-2013, 12:11 PM
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Well the answer of converting it has been answered for me, Turner Field is being torn down after.
To build more housing. Somebody needs to tell our idiot mayor there are already more housing units downtown than there are carbon based life forms to occupy them.

**** me. I can't get out of here quick enough


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11-12-2013, 12:22 PM
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So this new location is your traditional American suburb like Glendale? Based off a few people here, this new location actually doesn't even sound that great.
NO! Not really even close.

Glendale is like south of Atlanta compared to where they are building. North of Atlanta would be like Scottsdale & Mesa, the side of town the Coyotes should have moved to.

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11-12-2013, 12:28 PM
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See for yourselves...

http://www.maps.com/radiusmaps.aspx

Glendale falls in the ten mile radius from Phoenix.

However, to the UoP, Jobing.com, and Westgate complex, add two for a total of 12 miles.
Llama, llama, llama....And now recalculate from the CBD using the fastest route to Westgate (and click the car, because no one's walking, riding a bicycle, or taking public transit out there), and you'll get a figure of 15-20 miles.

go ahead, enter 'Phoenix' and 'jobing.com Arena' under 'Directions' and tell me what you get...

https://maps.google.com/

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Less serious take on it....

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/11/...f-turner-field


BTW, could Turner be converted into a soccer (MLS) or football stadium for a smaller school?
The new Falcons stadium is built to have MLS, with tarps over the upper levels.


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11-12-2013, 01:09 PM
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NO! Not really even close.

Glendale is like south of Atlanta compared to where they are building. North of Atlanta would be like Scottsdale & Mesa, the side of town the Coyotes should have moved to.
All true, and you beat me to this exact statement. (and for those that aren't already painfully aware, this was the original plan for the location of the new arena, specifically at McDowell and Scottsdale Rd in Scottsdale if you still have google maps up. Glendale was Plan B...or C...or something)

edit: Glendale being compared to some of the parts of the south side of Atlanta I've seen might be a bit harsh, but the analogy mostly holds


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The new Falcons stadium is built to have MLS, with tarps over the upper levels.

Like BC Place, didn't know this so thanks!

Is MLS in Atlanta a sure thing?

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Is MLS in Atlanta a sure thing?
Expect an announcement next week that the 20th MLS franchise will be Orlando. Beyond that, who knows?

http://www.soccerbyives.net/2013/11/...expansion.html


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So after one Olympics and twenty years of Baseball, they're just going to tear it down?

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edit: Glendale being compared to some of the parts of the south side of Atlanta I've seen might be a bit harsh, but the analogy mostly holds
Very true, didn't mean to elude to Glendale being a 'ghetto', as it's nothing like that all.

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Is MLS in Atlanta a sure thing?
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Expect an announcement next week that the 20th MLS franchise will be Orlando. Beyond that, who knows?

http://www.soccerbyives.net/2013/11/...expansion.html
It definitely sounds like they'll be one of the next 4 after Orlando (remember, Garber wants 24 by 2020 or whatever year).

They have a stadium and an owner. Might be a crummy market otherwise, but it definitely sounds like nearly a given that this will happen.

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people need to get a grip, plenty of venues close after less than 20 years of use. Miami Arena, for example.

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people need to get a grip, plenty of venues close after less than 20 years of use. Miami Arena, for example.
Eh, let's not include end of ball mall area stadiums with ones built with any type of quality after say 1994.

Plenty would mean multiple examples. Got more, just out of curiosity?

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people need to get a grip, plenty of venues close after less than 20 years of use. Miami Arena, for example.
I don't think referencing a building referred to as 'The Pink Elephant' from it's infancy is really fair. Hell, just about every NBA arena built in the 80s was out-of-date within a decade because they weren't built with amenities or suites in mind, just seats...and Miami Arena barely even had those.

A large baseball stadium that is most certainly serviceable isn't comparable.

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Eh, let's not include end of ball mall area stadiums with ones built with any type of quality after say 1994.

Plenty would mean multiple examples. Got more, just out of curiosity?
Average Life-span (all facilities): 30 years
Average Cost by League (through 2009):

MLB - $388 million
NFL - $378 million
NBA - $205 million
NHL - $202.5 million
MLS - $89 million

Source: http://law.marquette.edu/images/spor...lity-costs.pdf

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Not that the site would be an improvement, but would razing Turner Field and building there be cheaper than the other planned Falcons sites?

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It is pretty out of the blue. I know that had troubles filling the stadium during the regular season, but it seems pretty early to leave already.
The reason the Braves had trouble is because of the location of the Stadium. The majority of those who attend the games come from North of Atlanta to get to Turner Field. Problem is... it is absolutely miserable to get to a game at times. The location they are proposing for the new stadium is about 15 minutes from my apartment and although I am petrified what it is going to do to traffic by me, the location couldn't be better. It is just north of Buckhead and just south of Cobb County and this is where a majority of the people come from to watch the games.

The Braves will not have any issues selling out in their new Stadium.

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I don't know if you can compare the 70s-80s stadiums that dated quickly with those built from 1995 onwards. There was a major paradigm shift at the time in terms of use of stadiums but also the expectation in terms of aesthetics. Thats what made the new stadiums popular ideas then too. Has there been such a shift since? I dont think so. Jerryworld is a monument to decadence but its primary "innovation" is a massive screen that has received mixed reviews and is hardly going to convince people they need to spend 400 million bucks or so to have one too.

Comerica Park opened just three years after Turner Field and people still consider it the new stadium, it was itself inspired by early 90s standouts Camden Yards and Jacobs Field and it's hard to make out a major difference between it and the stadiums that came after it.

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I don't think referencing a building referred to as 'The Pink Elephant' from it's infancy is really fair. Hell, just about every NBA arena built in the 80s was out-of-date within a decade because they weren't built with amenities or suites in mind, just seats...and Miami Arena barely even had those.

A large baseball stadium that is most certainly serviceable isn't comparable.
If I am understanding you properly (big if as I am absolutely fried at this point of the day)... Turner field isn't serviceable from a location standpoint. It is in the worst location. The Glendale references are absolutely accurate. Amenities wise it is alright but nothing spectacular.

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so, what is the cost of this new stadium and who is going to pay what?

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so, what is the cost of this new stadium and who is going to pay what?
All I've seen so far is a rounded 700 mil, but I believe that's stadium, land, and surrounding development. We find out next week how they're structuring bonds.

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I think I read that the 15-30 yo TV viewership has been falling drastically for # years in baseball. If you are a city do you really want to invest in a stadium in a sport that young people really don't care about?

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You know you're getting old when you can remember a Major League Baseball team playing in the ballpark before the one they're about to move out of.
I saw Bob Gibson pitch against the Reds at Crosley Field!

That stadium was nearly 60 years old, had little parking, was flooded at least twice and was in an area that was decaying. Moving downtown to Riverfront Stadium in 1970 saved the Reds from moving to San Diego or elsewhere.


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I think that the fact a stadium location can be terrible after 15 years speaks alot to how bad American urban planning is in some cities.

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Atlanta pretty much had no urban planning, other than to build as many freeways as possible wherever possible.

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What I get from that map myself is that it may have been very applicable to the Thrashers' base as well.
You, are VERY correct. The real problem with the Thrashers was ASG (ownership), who showed favoritism towards the urban downtown basketball-loving fanbase and forgetting us in the suburbs who bought most of the tickets. They never invested in the team and we became ill.

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