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11-12-2013, 08:59 AM
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So who's not getting it done

Outside up Hutton, who isn't really a NHL goalie. Who is not getting it done in the offensive zone? Two-way plays requires you not only produce defensively.

All the talk has been about Forsberg needing to watch, when other players are just as much of a passenger and are still gettting ice time.

Matt Hendricks - 11 games, 1g-0a-1p is not getting it done. We talk about 2 way play earning ice time but he's not showing up offensively at all, not getting it done.

Victor Stalberg - 1g1a-2p in 11 games, not getting it done

Gabriel Bourque 1g2a3p. All the forechecking in the world, drives the net but no results. Not getting it done

Matt Cullen 2g2a4p, you're not exempt, you've created chances and skated well but like Bourque the results just aren't there, you're not getting it done

Nick Spaling - 2 way play means both ends. You are not getting it done.

All of these players are below their typical output, which tells me, it's not just the players.

So Barry Trotz, you sir, are not getting it done.


Last edited by triggrman: 11-12-2013 at 09:00 AM. Reason: Clune should be on here too, he's also not getting it done. For everything he was last year, he's not been that this year.
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So Barry Trotz, you sir, are not getting it done.
Amen.

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11-12-2013, 09:20 AM
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Where does it begin:

Fisher-made of glass been hurt all year.

Wilson-Besides one game hasn't done squat.

Cullen- Has had good games but just can't finish. "typical Predator"

Weber- Hasn't lead this team when several games the team looks flat. Having a huge issue missing the net.

Hendricks- lol not even worth discussing.

Trotz- Have not agreed with several lines, players minutes, amount of shutouts, and goalie issues. This team has two personalities and i blame him.

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11-12-2013, 10:16 AM
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Ultimately the poor decisions by David Poile are not getting it done. It starts at the top.

Trotz will never be a great NHL coach. Doesn't know how to coach offensive talent when he has had it. Send him packing and bring in Laviolette.

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11-12-2013, 10:28 AM
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Ultimately the poor decisions by David Poile are not getting it done. It starts at the top.

Trotz will never be a great NHL coach. Doesn't know how to coach offensive talent when he has had it. Send him packing and bring in Laviolette.
i wouldn't be opposed to the laviolette decision.

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11-12-2013, 10:34 AM
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i wouldn't be opposed to the laviolette decision.
Or Housley. I feel he's next in line

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Everyone not named Weber, Jones, Hornqvist, Legwand or Nystrom.
The rest have been disappointing so far.

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Or Housley. I feel he's next in line
definitely is, but another defensively minded coach. yikes.

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Who IS getting it done would be a much quicker and more efficient thread.

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definitely is, but another defensively minded coach. yikes.
what makes you say that?

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i wouldn't be opposed to the laviolette decision.
Is it his recent success the past 2 years in Philly that makes him intriguing? Or are we still living in the past and his great year in Carolina?

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what makes you say that?
he coaches the defenseman up now? but let's forget what kind of player he was.

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what makes you say that?
i don't know enough about it him personally, but from what i've read from posters talking about that he's gonna come in and really help with the defensemen and help ellis be better and things like that I was just inferring he was more of the defensive type of coach.

if i'm wrong, i'll accept it because I wanna learn more about him. Like I said, i don't know about him much.

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I've played defense my entire life, and I prefer a wide-open aggressive style of hockey. A defensemen don't always love "safe" hockey.

Roy was a goalie, look at his system.

I think Housley has really helped our breakouts for sure.

I don't know how much he's helped Ellis but Ekholm and Jones sure look really good.

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I think we are seeing the results of a scolding after the firewagon-style Colorado game... With a young team, they will be streaky with high high's and low low's. Often with younger people, I see a tendency to over-compensate with equally bad results until there is some sort of success to build confidence. It's clear that Trotz is trying to build Hut up by letting him be the man; but I think he has to cut bait a bit and create some competition for him to focus on. I think Hutton is the kind of guy that does better when his security is threatened... that's been my biggest issue right now with Trotz for not playing a young 'Tender as a 1B and Hutton being a 1A.

As far as the team goes, I personally think it all boils down to team confidence between the pipes and trying to play too defensive. In the past if Peks is 'on', the skaters tend to play instinctively within the system and there is a flow to the game. Was the same way for Dan Ellis too. With Hutton, they have been tight and trying to not make mistakes or take penalties... which always in my experience seems to lead to mistakes no matter the activity or occupation. Hutton has been screened badly on many occasions and the skaters have been hesitant to clear the crease for fear of a penalty and the awful PK... it snowballs all of this feces into a crap-ball that would be the pride of any well-respected dung beetle.

Right now it's time for that crap-ball to dry up and blow away!! The Preds need a solid game from a young goaltender to boost confidence all around. Hopefully Mazenec will steal a few from the Isles and loosen up our skaters to start playing and quit thinking/fearing mistakes.

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are we getting too deep with our forwards in the offensive zone? Are they focusing too much on possession of the puck and grinding on the boards that we are not layering our attack? Almost like we are playing to the fancy stats? Seems like we give up quite a few chances in transition.

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I think we are seeing the results of a scolding after the firewagon-style Colorado game... With a young team, they will be streaky with high high's and low low's. Often with younger people, I see a tendency to over-compensate with equally bad results until there is some sort of success to build confidence. It's clear that Trotz is trying to build Hut up by letting him be the man; but I think he has to cut bait a bit and create some competition for him to focus on. I think Hutton is the kind of guy that does better when his security is threatened... that's been my biggest issue right now with Trotz for not playing a young 'Tender as a 1B and Hutton being a 1A.

As far as the team goes, I personally think it all boils down to team confidence between the pipes and trying to play too defensive. In the past if Peks is 'on', the skaters tend to play instinctively within the system and there is a flow to the game. Was the same way for Dan Ellis too. With Hutton, they have been tight and trying to not make mistakes or take penalties... which always in my experience seems to lead to mistakes no matter the activity or occupation. Hutton has been screened badly on many occasions and the skaters have been hesitant to clear the crease for fear of a penalty and the awful PK... it snowballs all of this feces into a crap-ball that would be the pride of any well-respected dung beetle.

Right now it's time for that crap-ball to dry up and blow away!! The Preds need a solid game from a young goaltender to boost confidence all around. Hopefully Mazenec will steal a few from the Isles and loosen up our skaters to start playing and quit thinking/fearing mistakes.
Savage i agree. They were playing the same way against the Jets and getting a ton of chances. After the 1st period I remember Trotz being pissed in the interview going into the 2nd complaining the forwards were only interested in offense. Since then... Well, everyone
has seen the adjustment made.

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Me on my job hunting, but as for the Preds....

Not sure.

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shea weber ... not getting it done

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The correct answer is "yes".

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Trotz and Poile are on the hook here. The offense needed to be addressed and so far it looks like the moves in the offseason were insufficient. Trotz is definitely on the hot seat now, if this continues for a few more games I think he's toast, this is probably the most embarrassing stretch of 3 games in Predators history. I am very worried about this hockey club right now.

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It's very hard to point out anyone that IS getting the job done...after all the emphasis put on being a bigger, tougher, more physical team this past summer our team looks extremely SLOOOW in its current state. I agree with earlier posts that the forwards and defensemen don't look confident at all in the goaltender between the pipes.
The breakout is basically non-existent because we are spending so much time in our own end that by the time we finally get possession our forwards and dmen are spent and need a change (see the entire first period of the Islander game).

Specifically, who isn't getting the job done the most (or least...most extremely not getting the job done):
Weber-getting paid to be the best player on this team, had anyone seen a hard-nosed nasty side to his game all season? Plus he's shooting way too many bombs wide over and over and over.
Hendricks-what does this guy bring to the table that makes us a better team...
Cullen-given an offensive role and hasn't produced what-so-ever. He's created chances, but can't finish to save his life. Most frustrating player to watch IMO.
Poile-didn't address the goaltending issue this summer (and to this point) by bringing in an established backup that can carry the load for a goalie coming off hip surgery. As flooded as the goaltending market has been, can't believe this is still an issue.

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Trotz and Poile are on the hook here. The offense needed to be addressed and so far it looks like the moves in the offseason were insufficient. Trotz is definitely on the hot seat now, if this continues for a few more games I think he's toast, this is probably the most embarrassing stretch of 3 games in Predators history. I am very worried about this hockey club right now.
Well, your next few.. Going to get blasted by Pitt on Friday and then again on Saturday in Nashville infront of a home game for the Blackhawks.

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11-13-2013, 01:43 PM
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Agree that its Weber not getting it done. Don't expect him to do everything but he seems disinterested to me. I know many of you will disagree, but I think he wanted to go to Philly and thought it was a done deal. Now he's 'stuck' here and is just not motivated.

Crap, I'm for blowing it up. Fire Trotz and Poile; trade Weber (admit the mistake); trade anybody else that won't commit to playing here -hard, every game, long term; and accept that we will have at least two bad years of hockey before it starts to turn around.

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