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Carolina interested in John-Michael Liles

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11-13-2013, 07:09 AM
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Carolina absolutely should be interested in Liles.

They lost their top offensive Dman in Pitkanen and have a terrible transition game and powerplay cause their D is lacking in that area.

Their 3rd last in GF per game and have the 8th last PP.

Liles is a career 40ish point offensive/PP specialist who'd help them.

Yes, he's overpaid but that is also why he wouldn't cost the Canes valuable assets like good prospects/picks in return. His salary also is only 2.75 in the last year. The Leafs could also retain salary or take back a bad contract like Ruutu or Westgarth (who we could bury in the minors).
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11-13-2013, 07:38 AM
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I always find the Dreger Hate on here silly and misguided. Sometimes he throws stuff out there that's maybe more speculation than rumor, but he's still pretty solid most of the time.

For example, just doing a quick search of the 'Dreger' prefix on here gives you.


From Sep 13, 2013. Two weeks later, Colborne is dealt to Calgary for a pick.


From last Friday, Oilers signed Bryzgalov later that day.


From June 29th, 2013. Schneider was dealt the next day.


From June 27, 2013. Perron was dealt 2 weeks later.


From April 1, 2013. He was early, but McBain was indeed dealt almost three months later at the draft.

Sure, he's not 100%. But no one is 100%, not even McKenzie (From this past June: "Also, PHI is in market for D and may be willing to move one of their young centres - B Schenn or Couturier - for the right deal."). But if you're looking for trade rumors, I'd say Dreger is, at worst, #3 (McKenzie is obviously #1, Pierre LeBrun is probably #2).
The hate towards Dreger, stems from Vancouver and its fans. During the gong show that was Lou last summer, the belief from Vancouver fans was that reports of Lou's value and interest around the league were manipulated by Nonis, his second cousin. Nucks fans believe there is collusion going on between Nonis and Dreger, and that Nonis kiboshed not only Lou's tremendous value, but also a trade sending him out of Vancouver. Despite the low to no value of Lou, and not having any team willing to take on the worst contract in the NHL, some Vancouver fans took solace in blaming Dreger, and Dreger alone for the Lou fiasco.

Rutherfod has a long history of picking up Leaf players.

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11-13-2013, 08:04 AM
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The hate towards Dreger, stems from Vancouver and its fans. During the gong show that was Lou last summer, the belief from Vancouver fans was that reports of Lou's value and interest around the league were manipulated by Nonis, his second cousin. Nucks fans believe there is collusion going on between Nonis and Dreger, and that Nonis kiboshed not only Lou's tremendous value, but also a trade sending him out of Vancouver. Despite the low to no value of Lou, and not having any team willing to take on the worst contract in the NHL, some Vancouver fans took solace in blaming Dreger, and Dreger alone for the Lou fiasco.

Rutherfod has a long history of picking up Leaf players.
Dreger could be off at times, but he obviously has the inside track when it comes to info for the leafs.

I can see Carolina having interest in Liles. But $ is a concern. I do see a deal between CAR-TOR happening before Christmas though.

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11-13-2013, 08:12 AM
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Dreger could be off at times, but he obviously has the inside track when it comes to info for the leafs.

I can see Carolina having interest in Liles. But $ is a concern. I do see a deal between CAR-TOR happening before Christmas though.
Dreger having an inside track in unfounded. Dreger has been very wrong in the past with the leafs, Kaberle is a perfect example that comes to mind. I can see a trade between Carolina and Toronto come to fruition.

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well i would love to see this trade happen soon.

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Dreger having an inside track in unfounded. Dreger has been very wrong in the past with the leafs, Kaberle is a perfect example that comes to mind. I can see a trade between Carolina and Toronto come to fruition.
to be clear...I dislike Dreger, and most of the Toronto Sports Network in general (except Mackenzie and Ward....love those guys, very entertaining) but Dreger rarely gets things wrong when it comes to Toronto is what I was getting at. and when he's right, it's not a vague guess either, it is usually 90% what he said. He gets inside info from there moreso, but he is usually pretty solid. Not a 3% success rate like some internet hack we all love to hate.

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11-13-2013, 08:43 AM
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To Toronto- Komisarek
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The only way this makes sense is if the Canes are planning to move Bellemore back down to Charlotte, and if the Leafs are willing to eat a big chunk of Liles' salary.

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The only way this makes sense is if the Canes are planning to move Bellemore back down to Charlotte, and if the Leafs are willing to eat a big chunk of Liles' salary.
they are paying most of his salary to not play in the NHL already...dont think that would be unreasonable to expect. Leafs would still save $$ if they retained 35% on a deal.

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Deal done. Salary cap dump is all we need.

All though I don't think the Nonis and the Leafs would want Komisarek for a lot of different reasons.

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The only way this makes sense is if the Canes are planning to move Bellemore back down to Charlotte, and if the Leafs are willing to eat a big chunk of Liles' salary.
Leafs would easily eat 50% of Liles salary for this year if there was interest. I don't think the Leafs would retain much pass this season though, but with the cap going up, I don't think that would be an issue for most teams.

The more salary we retain, the value goes up a bit more though. Liles at under 2M cap hit for this season would be quite the steal.

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Why?

Doesn't make sense
of course it doesn't, but there has been nary a word about Daren "the Dream, I've never met a mirror I didn't like" Dreger around the hockey chat sites in quite a while. Daren was getting worried the peeps of the intertainment net might forget him and god forbid that ever occurring.

So he pulls his tried and true formula and mentions a Leaf player that is not playing and voila threads a-popping.......it's just like magic

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I always find the Dreger Hate on here silly and misguided. Sometimes he throws stuff out there that's maybe more speculation than rumor, but he's still pretty solid most of the time.

For example, just doing a quick search of the 'Dreger' prefix on here gives you.


From Sep 13, 2013. Two weeks later, Colborne is dealt to Calgary for a pick.


From last Friday, Oilers signed Bryzgalov later that day.


From June 29th, 2013. Schneider was dealt the next day.


From June 27, 2013. Perron was dealt 2 weeks later.


From April 1, 2013. He was early, but McBain was indeed dealt almost three months later at the draft.

Sure, he's not 100%. But no one is 100%, not even McKenzie (From this past June: "Also, PHI is in market for D and may be willing to move one of their young centres - B Schenn or Couturier - for the right deal."). But if you're looking for trade rumors, I'd say Dreger is, at worst, #3 (McKenzie is obviously #1, Pierre LeBrun is probably #2).

each one of those examples was pretty much common knowledge to anybody attached to the game and he came to party quite late on a few of them, having been commented on previously.

the problem with guys like Dreger is he has made himself appear larger then the game he is supposed to report on by playing GM which btw he's no more qualified then you or I

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Deal done. Salary cap dump is all we need.

All though I don't think the Nonis and the Leafs would want Komisarek for a lot of different reasons.
nor could they, the Leafs are expected to abide by the CBA just like everyone else in the league

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to be clear...I dislike Dreger, and most of the Toronto Sports Network in general (except Mackenzie and Ward....love those guys, very entertaining) but Dreger rarely gets things wrong when it comes to Toronto is what I was getting at. and when he's right, it's not a vague guess either, it is usually 90% what he said. He gets inside info from there moreso, but he is usually pretty solid. Not a 3% success rate like some internet hack we all love to hate.
Exactly. You have to learn how to weed through the BS.

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I'd do a 1 for 1 trade for JML for Ruutu. The contract is the same length, albeit Ruutu makes about a million more per.
There is a very good chance Ruutu will spend a good chunk of that on LTIR

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I wish my cousins were as devoted to lying to advance my career as Dreger is to Nonis's.

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Liles for Joni Pitkanen makes the most sense for both teams.

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Liles for Joni Pitkanen makes the most sense for both teams.
Can you trade an injured player?

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Can you trade an injured player?
If the acquiring team has no issues with it it should be fine. Usually they add a "pending medical clearance" clause in some deals but a LTIR would work really well for us.

I'm sure Nonis feels just as terrible as fans do having Liles buried in the minors.

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Hmm, I thought there was some sort of clause that you couldn't trade for an LTIR guy because it's cap circumvention.
If you can, then I'd be happy to ship JML off and Take Joni back. He'll likely retire if that heel is as bad as they say so we'd only be spending real dollars.

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I'd do a 1 for 1 trade for JML for Ruutu. The contract is the same length, albeit Ruutu makes about a million more per.
There is a very good chance Ruutu will spend a good chunk of that on LTIR
The thing is, even with Ruutu still in Carolina, they need winger help. I don't see them shipping Ruutu off without bringing in another winger.

Also, if Carolina brings Liles in, look at the logjam of defensemen:

Sekera Faulk
Hainsey Bellemore
Harrison Murphy
Gleason
Liles
Komisarek

This makes me think a dman would have to be traded, as well.

I still think Ruutu, Harrison for Liles, Kulemin makes sense.

Tlusty EStaal Semin
Gerbe JStaal Kulemin
Skinner Nash Lindholm
Dwyer Malhotra Dvorak

Sekera Faulk
Hainsey Murphy
Liles Bellemore

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The thing is, even with Ruutu still in Carolina, they need winger help. I don't see them shipping Ruutu off without bringing in another winger.

Also, if Carolina brings Liles in, look at the logjam of defensemen:

Sekera Faulk
Hainsey Bellemore
Harrison Murphy
Gleason
Liles
Komisarek

This makes me think a dman would have to be traded, as well.

I still think Ruutu, Harrison for Liles, Kulemin makes sense.

Tlusty EStaal Semin
Gerbe JStaal Kulemin
Skinner Nash Lindholm
Dwyer Malhotra Dvorak

Sekera Faulk
Hainsey Murphy
Liles Bellemore
Why does Toronto do this though?

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Deal done. Salary cap dump is all we need.

All though I don't think the Nonis and the Leafs would want Komisarek for a lot of different reasons.
Komisarek is a great person off the ice (as is Liles). He is pure class. I would love to have him in our organization, specifically on the Marlies. Always good having a veteran like that around the youth. Liles is another real classy guy and a lot of the Marlies were raving about how good he was to be around.

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The thing is, even with Ruutu still in Carolina, they need winger help. I don't see them shipping Ruutu off without bringing in another winger.

Also, if Carolina brings Liles in, look at the logjam of defensemen:

Sekera Faulk
Hainsey Bellemore
Harrison Murphy
Gleason
Liles
Komisarek

This makes me think a dman would have to be traded, as well.

I still think Ruutu, Harrison for Liles, Kulemin makes sense.

Tlusty EStaal Semin
Gerbe JStaal Kulemin
Skinner Nash Lindholm
Dwyer Malhotra Dvorak

Sekera Faulk
Hainsey Murphy
Liles Bellemore
With Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson and JVR all carrying long term contracts at an average of ~5.7M, I can't see the Leafs adding another winger with a contract like Ruutu's.

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