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12-08-2013, 01:57 PM
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Thoughts (more of them)

1. The hit in question; the one that started it all, was a clean hit. Brooks Orpik stepped up, lifted the shoulder, and hit the shoulder of Loui Eriksson. There was no contact to the head, no charging, no elbow - just a hockey play. The only call that could have been made there would have been interference, which would have been an iffy call because the puck was in the vicinity.

2. Zdeno Chara was penalized at the stoppage for cross-checking Brooks Orpik. At which point, the officials should have made it completely clear to the CAPTAIN of the Bruins that any further nonsense towards Brooks Orpik or any other Penguin would have been deemed a 10 minute misconduct. This could have gotten the game under control and served as a warning. The refs have to know the feel of the game and the direction that it's heading ... it was obvious at this point that it could get ugly.

3. Brooks Orpik then declined several invitations from Shawn Thornton to fight him. On this play, Thornton was given a 2 minute minor for roughing. As someone who has seen both sides of this (officiating and playing), it's not uncommon for the refs to throw out a 10 minute misconduct and speak to both coaches, making it clear that the game was under their control. The refs, once again, failed to take control.

4. The James Neal play should have resulted in a 5 minute major for intent to injure, and thus a match penalty. I don't care if Marchand returned later in the game - it's intent to injure, not injuring the opponent. What happened at the stoppage was Shawn Thornton clearly seeking out Brooks Orpik with the clear intent to take him out of the game and get "retribution" for his injured teammate. Had the refs actually slapped him with a 10 minute misconduct for continuing to try to incite an altercation with Orpik, he wouldn't have even been on the ice when all of this went down.

Do I blame the refs? Not entirely, but I do think that they failed to get the game under control before it got out of hand. This is the same thing that happened with the Todd Bertuzzi incident. My final thoughts are that James Neal should be done for at least 10 games, and Shawn Thornton should be subject to at least three times that number. Neal has a history with the league (which we all know too well), and clearly knew what he was doing when he skated past Brad Marchand. For something like that, I think you have to set the precedence that it's unacceptable, and make a point. For Shawn Thornton, the slew-foot was enough to merit a lengthy suspension, if it were done in it's own right. He then proceeded to punch Brooks Orpik once, knocking him out, and then punch him again, delivering a blow that slammed his head into the ice. For me, each of those sucker punches is worthy of anything Neal gets for the knee to the head.

It will be interesting to see what shakes out of this. There's no room in the game for this sort of crap.

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12-08-2013, 02:02 PM
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So SoreLoser i'd like to get your opinion on the Erne, Drouin situation. I think you were a supporter of drafting Erne. Seems like a big headcase, those comments after the game were pretty ridiculous. How he walked away without a game is pretty amazing. Wonder if Yzerman will keep him in the organization

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So SoreLoser i'd like to get your opinion on the Erne, Drouin situation. I think you were a supporter of drafting Erne. Seems like a big headcase, those comments after the game were pretty ridiculous. How he walked away without a game is pretty amazing. Wonder if Yzerman will keep him in the organization
Yzerman was probably happy to see that kind of play out of Erne even if he didn't like that Drouin was the target. Better off taming a tiger than painting stripes on a housecat

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12-08-2013, 05:24 PM
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12-08-2013, 08:22 PM
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So SoreLoser i'd like to get your opinion on the Erne, Drouin situation. I think you were a supporter of drafting Erne. Seems like a big headcase, those comments after the game were pretty ridiculous. How he walked away without a game is pretty amazing. Wonder if Yzerman will keep him in the organization
Actually, if you look back, I was never an Erne supporter at all. On many occasions, mentioned preferring Lazar, Horvat, and Hartman as players I would rather have.

The hit he threw on Drouin was absolutely worthy of a lengthy suspension, and I think the QMJHL took a major step in the wrong direction in not suspending him.

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12-08-2013, 08:49 PM
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There's a huge hatred toward John Moore on the Rangers board. I guess I was right about his low hockey IQ. He looks like he has no idea what's going on around on the ice too often.
Just a few examples from the Rangers board: "J. Moore is making me hate his existence"... or "Stop playing John Moore. Every shift he does something stupid. Has no defensive ability what so ever"... or "I despise the Columbus three from the Gabby trade. Every single one of them".

Jarmo did a right thing trading those 3 away.

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12-08-2013, 09:07 PM
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There's a huge hatred toward John Moore on the Rangers board. I guess I was right about his low hockey IQ. He looks like he has no idea what's going on around on the ice too often.
Just a few examples from the Rangers board: "J. Moore is making me hate his existence"... or "Stop playing John Moore. Every shift he does something stupid. Has no defensive ability what so ever"... or "I despise the Columbus three from the Gabby trade. Every single one of them".

Jarmo did a right thing trading those 3 away.
I'll also claim to be right about Moore.

All last year I was making trade proposals involving him and Brassard. I was only upset that they were moved because it was for Gaborik and not Bobby Ryan or someone of that ilk.

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I'll also claim to be right about Moore.

All last year I was making trade proposals involving him and Brassard. I was only upset that they were moved because it was for Gaborik and not Bobby Ryan or someone of that ilk.
Well, Mike Milbury and Don Waddell aren't around any more, GMJK got a decent value for those substandard pieces.

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There's a huge hatred toward John Moore on the Rangers board. I guess I was right about his low hockey IQ. He looks like he has no idea what's going on around on the ice too often.
Just a few examples from the Rangers board: "J. Moore is making me hate his existence"... or "Stop playing John Moore. Every shift he does something stupid. Has no defensive ability what so ever"... or "I despise the Columbus three from the Gabby trade. Every single one of them".

Jarmo did a right thing trading those 3 away.
Can't say we didn't warn them.

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12-09-2013, 07:37 AM
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Just a few examples from the Rangers board: "J. Moore is making me hate his existence"... or "Stop playing John Moore. Every shift he does something stupid. Has no defensive ability what so ever"... or "I despise the Columbus three from the Gabby trade. Every single one of them".
But just last year Brassard was Crosby-esque!

How quickly they fall.

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But just last year Brassard was Crosby-esque!

How quickly they fall.
Crosby? They called him Brassgod!

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There's a huge hatred toward John Moore on the Rangers board. I guess I was right about his low hockey IQ. He looks like he has no idea what's going on around on the ice too often.
Just a few examples from the Rangers board: "J. Moore is making me hate his existence"... or "Stop playing John Moore. Every shift he does something stupid. Has no defensive ability what so ever"... or "I despise the Columbus three from the Gabby trade. Every single one of them".

Jarmo did a right thing trading those 3 away.
They are fans. Collectively, they are useless at objective player evaluation. That doesn't prove you right about anything.

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12-09-2013, 01:25 PM
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Five games for Neal

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=438582

It is my opinion that this is a little bit light; especially for a guy with a history of this stuff.

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PM Bouchard on waivers. On a one year deal that is 2M. Any thought on picking him up?

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They are fans. Collectively, they are useless at objective player evaluation. That doesn't prove you right about anything.
That's not just fans, that's a common opinion of everyone who watches the Rags on regular basis.
Vegneault is also useless at objective player evaluation? Cause he scratched Moore in favor of frikin Justin Falk!
Or the stats? Playing 3rd pair minutes he committed 3 turnovers... Yesterday only! In 12 minutes! Hell, just watch the Devils and Caps goals against the Rags and give us your valuable opinion in Moore's play. What he was doing is just plain stupid. And there's no another way to justify it.
I recall that according to your valuable (more than anyone else's) opinion Moore was a guy who had shown some brilliance and along with Brassard and Dorsett was untouchable!
Hell, I even found one of those posts:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=131
He was going to be improving for the next 7 or 8 years. <insert the "... like saying the sun will rise tomorrow" comment here>. No duh he "Has to improve"!

His current play probably makes you feel bad, but don't try to defend you predictions with even more laughable points. JohnMoore has no hockey sense and never gonna get it.

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That's not just fans, that's a common opinion of everyone who watches the Rags on regular basis.
And here we go. Everyone eh? So much hyperbole, so little time.

Your second sentence is beyond commenting on, for a great variety of reasons. One of which is that I said nothing about the HC; which makes for some pretty **** poor reading comprehension skills. I won't go beyond that sentence, as the first two were of poor quality.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back; I won't be reading it.

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As I said it before, you're informative as usual. At least you're not trying to defend your own drivel.

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PM Bouchard on waivers. On a one year deal that is 2M. Any thought on picking him up?
My thought is - "Don't."

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There's a huge hatred toward John Moore on the Rangers board. I guess I was right about his low hockey IQ. He looks like he has no idea what's going on around on the ice too often.
Just a few examples from the Rangers board: "J. Moore is making me hate his existence"... or "Stop playing John Moore. Every shift he does something stupid. Has no defensive ability what so ever"... or "I despise the Columbus three from the Gabby trade. Every single one of them".

Jarmo did a right thing trading those 3 away.
The Nash trade was an example of a win-win for both teams. Dubi, Erixon, and Anisimov (not to mention Rychel) are very good pieces even if Erixon is still growing in the minors and Anisimov is streaky. Meanwhile, Nash is putting up great numbers in New York.

The Gaborik trade on the other hand is an example of a lose-lose (of sorts). Gaborik has been unable to stay healthy in Columbus and Brassard, Moore, and Dorsett have maintained their underachieving ways. It's not that either team really lost much, but the trade does not seem to have the desired effect.

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The Nash trade was an example of a win-win for both teams. Dubi, Erixon, and Anisimov (not to mention Rychel) are very good pieces even if Erixon is still growing in the minors and Anisimov is streaky. Meanwhile, Nash is putting up great numbers in New York.

The Gaborik trade on the other hand is an example of a lose-lose (of sorts). Gaborik has been unable to stay healthy in Columbus and Brassard, Moore, and Dorsett have maintained their underachieving ways. It's not that either team really lost much, but the trade does not seem to have the desired effect.
I don't think that the Nash trade was a win for the Rangers. In 2011-12 they finished regular season 1st on the East, made it to the Conference finals and were looking for the final piece that would have put them over the top. The next season they barely made playoffs, where Nash scored only 1 goal in 12 games. They were destroyed in the Conference semifinals. The team results have not improved, it became just worse. And I don't think Nash's decent play in the regular season compensates the obvious regress of the team as a whole.
The Jackets finished 2011-12 season dead last in the league, but had just 1 point less that the Ranger in 2013. Both teams made a step towards each other as a result of the trade.

And the Gaborik trade for Columbus should be justified after the end of relations between him and the Jackets. I mean, we have to see what we'd get for him if he's not resigned here. He hasn't improved the team, but the Jackets now hold a valuable piece , while the Rangers getting negative results. Look at their plus/minus. Brassard is minus-8, Moore and Dorsette are both minus-5. Moore plays sheltered minutes, but still finds a way to crap the bed on a regular basis.

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No matter what end of the day is Columbus will get the better end of the deal of the Gaborik. We get 7 million in cap space if he cannot stay healthy and cannot be moved, he comes back and lights it up and leaves in the offseason, or comes back and gets dealt at the deadline.

Meanwhile they are tied to Dorse's contract, and have to make a hard decision on Brassard as a RFA as well as Moore with all of their UFA's. Our choices are alot easier.


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No matter what end of the day is Columbus will get the better end of the deal of the Gaborik. We get 7 million in cap space if he cannot stay healthy and cannot be moved, he comes back and lights it up and leaves in the offseason, or comes back and gets dealt at the deadline.

Meanwhile they are tied to Dorse's contract, and have to make a hard decision on Brassard as a RFA as well as Moore with all of their UFA's. Our choices are alot easier.
Trading each of Brassard, Moore, and Dorsett undoubtedly would have netted a good return of picks and prospects. Moving each for what might be 40-60 games of Gaborik and then getting nothing for him can hardly be the better end of anything.

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Trading each of Brassard, Moore, and Dorsett undoubtedly would have netted a good return of picks and prospects. Moving each for what might be 40-60 games of Gaborik and then getting nothing for him can hardly be the better end of anything.
Depends what we use the extra cap space on. What if we get another Horton type player in FA?

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Depends what we use the extra cap space on. What if we get another Horton type player in FA?
This is one of those BS rationalizations. If its cap space you're after you don't trade Dorsett, Moore, and Brassard for Gaborik (who makes more than the other three combined and whose contract lasts just as long). Maybe they all go for prospects and picks in various deals, or maybe an entirely different set of deals occurs, but not that deal.

The Rangers got more cap space for trading Gaborik, who they were going to buy out anyways, and they got three young players in return who they can still let go of whenever they need more space. They're not more constrained.

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