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11-06-2013, 08:55 AM
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Coaching Discussion: Craig Berube

Let's just say he's not proving anyone wrong yet.


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11-06-2013, 08:58 AM
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I think its more about the players on the team. Holmgren made a move for coaching, nothing changes, now its his job on the hot seat and he knows it.

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Not sure what you mean by this....

Berube so far has had to set up a new system, and try to help this team recover from...2 seasons of failure. This isn't something that will happen over night, it will probably take the rest of this season and the offseason.

This is all on the team that homer has built, and the players currently on the team that are out there playing. There is only so much a coach can do, no coach at the moment would make this team better in our current state, it is up to the players, and maybe the GM to make necessary moves.

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Unimpressed so far. Like I noted in another thread....so much for his defense will generate offense scheme. Saying so doesn't always make it so. Worried he's another Barber type...

Also the irony of him saying "you can't yell at these guys" and then having Holmgren come down into the locker room in the second period of the Washington game to do just that. This team is one huge contradiction....

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Unimpressed so far. Like I noted in another thread....so much for his defense will generate offense scheme. Saying so doesn't always make it so. Worried he's another Barber type...

Also the irony of him saying "you can't yell at these guys" and then having Holmgren come down into the locker room in the second period of the Washington game to do just that. This team is one huge contradiction....
As for the bolded part... it isn't the new system that is at fault, it is the players. Look at the system that lavi had in, we were swept out of the playoffs, had a horrible last year, and the worse training camp in a long ass time apparently..

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Not sure what you mean by this....

Berube so far has had to set up a new system, and try to help this team recover from...2 seasons of failure. This isn't something that will happen over night, it will probably take the rest of this season and the offseason.

This is all on the team that homer has built, and the players currently on the team that are out there playing. There is only so much a coach can do, no coach at the moment would make this team better in our current state, it is up to the players, and maybe the GM to make necessary moves.
While most of it is on the GM and the hodge podge of players he calls a roster that he has assembled...some of Berube's roster moves are reminding me of Lavi.

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While most of it is on the GM and the hodge podge of players he calls a roster that he has assembled...some of Berube's roster moves are reminding me of Lavi.
He can only do so much with what he has been given. But, yea... this idea of putting players where they really don't fit has not been doing us any good... like Briere on wing (there are tons of examples). Instead of putting square pegs in round holes we should be getting the proper pieces.

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As for the bolded part... it isn't the new system that is at fault, it is the players. Look at the system that lavi had in, we were swept out of the playoffs, had a horrible last year, and the worse training camp in a long ass time apparently..
If it's truly the players, the GM is accountable. He needs to fix the problem or get the hell out. After 14 games, still no improvement (one game with more than 2 goals is an anomaly) in the offense, line changes are not going to fix the problem.

I've said it before, there are too many players making the same mistakes they used to make in Lavy's system. Before the 29 other teams figured out that system, those mistakes were easily overcome, but now, it's just too easy for opponents to neutralize them. The team chemistry just plain sucks and unless they ship out players to make statements (sorry, Talbot trade was not the answer), these players as a team will never adjust.

It is nice to see the Flyers play defense and keep themselves in the game, but when they can't put themselves into good shooting positions and have prolonged offensive zone possessions, it's all for not. I mean seriously, I have never seen a team struggle so hard to get the puck into the slot without turning it over.

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If it's truly the players, the GM is accountable. He needs to fix the problem or get the hell out. After 14 games, still no improvement (one game with more than 2 goals is an anomaly) in the offense, line changes are not going to fix the problem.

I've said it before, there are too many players making the same mistakes they used to make in Lavy's system. Before the 29 other teams figured out that system, those mistakes were easily overcome, but now, it's just too easy for opponents to neutralize them. The team chemistry just plain sucks and unless they ship out players to make statements (sorry, Talbot trade was not the answer), these players as a team will never adjust.

It is nice to see the Flyers play defense and keep themselves in the game, but when they can't put themselves into good shooting positions and have prolonged offensive zone possessions, it's all for not. I mean seriously, I have never seen a team struggle so hard to get the puck into the slot without turning it over.
Yep, I totally agree. I think it's time for Homer to step down.

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I'd also like to add that the Flyers in 2006 were 4-6-1 after Stevens' first 11 games... the same exact record Berube has since taking the reigns.

We all know exactly how that season continued. Only difference here is that Homer has not stepped down like Clarke did.

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I can't blame Berube. Every forward outside of Vinny is in a massive scoring slump. Every single one! Longer term the D is an issue, but all of the problems are with the forwards now.

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Team defense is improving,,,

Personnel decisions have been horrific !! Benching your 2 youngest D men and playing Rosehill at all is idiotic.

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Only thing I can criticize Berube for at this point is playing Gill/Mez over Gus/Schenn and dressing Rosehill too much.

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Only thing I can criticize Berube for at this point is playing Gill/Mez over Gus/Schenn and dressing Rosehill too much.
This.

And way too many line shuffles and constantly playing forwards out of their natural positions: while Vinny has looked half decent at RW, playing Voracek on LW and flip flopping Simmonds between left and right only made things worse.

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Lines all changed at practice again but same D pairings !!

More Mezz and Gill, Berube is a genius

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Aside from terrible personnel choices I can't find too much fault.

The breakout is infinitely better. However, little has improved with offensive zone play.

I don't know what to think of Berube. It's really hard to judge what a coach is doing when so many players are sucking so badly on an individual level. The best system looks like crap if nobody is executing.

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Giroux and Couturier are playing >21min every game and Schenn and Lecavalier are playing less than 15min now why would you do that when this team can't score

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Giroux and Couturier are playing >21min every game and Schenn and Lecavalier are playing less than 15min now why would you do that when this team can't score
Giroux and Couturier are also PKers, so that ups their total over the others. If you look at even strength TOI it's a lot closer. Couturier gets on average 3 minutes of PK time per game. Vinny averages 4 seconds of PK time and Schenn 1:21.

And aside from that he's been one of the most reliable forwards on the team. If his linemates could execute he would be racking up assists. With the way he's shooting he would probably still be goalless.

Edit: Hold up, where do you get that Couturier is playing over 21 minutes? His average so far has been 18 minutes.

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This.

And way too many line shuffles and constantly playing forwards out of their natural positions: while Vinny has looked half decent at RW, playing Voracek on LW and flip flopping Simmonds between left and right only made things worse.
Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic...

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Berube hopes Flyers' new lines will provide spark


The lines are changing. Again.

For the eighth time in 14 games this season, the Flyers scored a goal or less in a game. They lost in overtime, 2-1, Tuesday night in Carolina, blowing what should have been a 1-0 shutout in the final 53 seconds of regulation.

Barring another trade, there’s only so much a coach can do to generate scoring chemistry with line changes.

Craig Berube has pretty much tried every line combination out there to generate offense without sustained success.

“At some point, they need to start producing,” Berube said. “I think guys in and out of the lineup with injury, we had to move guys around a little bit. These guys are familiar with each other. They’ve played well together before. I expect them to get out of it and start playing well

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...-provide-spark

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Giroux and Couturier are also PKers, so that ups their total over the others. If you look at even strength TOI it's a lot closer. Couturier gets on average 3 minutes of PK time per game. Vinny averages 4 seconds of PK time and Schenn 1:21.

And aside from that he's been one of the most reliable forwards on the team. If his linemates could execute he would be racking up assists. With the way he's shooting he would probably still be goalless.

Edit: Hold up, where do you get that Couturier is playing over 21 minutes? His average so far has been 18 minutes.
last two game he played 21m

he's getting the same 5 on 5 ice time as schenn and more 5 on 5 ice time than Vinny

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last two game he played 21m

he's getting the same 5 on 5 ice time as schenn and more 5 on 5 ice time than Vinny
In the NJ game he had 5 minutes of PK time and Vinny wasn't even playing. In the Carolina game, who knows.

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McGinn, down and Newbury back baby !!!!!

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Coaching is about maximizing the production of the roster and making the expected quality lineup decisions.

Whether he's maximizing the production of the roster is arguable as the roster quality is in question and he didn't have a training camp, but he's definitely making horrible lineup decisions. Like, really bad and really confusing lineup decisions.

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If Mez and Gill are in against NJ I'm switching to "full revolt" mode.

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Aside from terrible personnel choices I can't find too much fault.

The breakout is infinitely better. However, little has improved with offensive zone play.

I don't know what to think of Berube. It's really hard to judge what a coach is doing when so many players are sucking so badly on an individual level. The best system looks like crap if nobody is executing.

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