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11-28-2013, 09:56 PM
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Pacioretty-Beaulieu and a second round pick for Emerson Etem and Devante Smith-Pelley

I don't know why I would want this lol. I guess I have no idea what I'm doing.

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11-28-2013, 10:02 PM
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I'd say it's pretty short-sighted to not be interested in Grabner. With his physical abilities, he's just as much of a game breaker as a guy like Bickell or Lucic. He opens up room for teammates with his speed and he would add the goal scoring that we need in our top-6. Considering his cap-hit is 3.0mil, I think he's a pretty low-risk/high-reward type of acquisition and it's quite obvious Diaz doesn't have a future in MTL.

I think he'd be a very good fit here. Clutterbuck would also be more than welcome.

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11-28-2013, 10:13 PM
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I'd say it's pretty short-sighted to not be interested in Grabner. With his physical abilities, he's just as much of a game breaker as a guy like Bickell or Lucic. He opens up room for teammates with his speed and he would add the goal scoring that we need in our top-6. Considering his cap-hit is 3.0mil, I think he's a pretty low-risk/high-reward type of acquisition and it's quite obvious Diaz doesn't have a future in MTL.

I think he'd be a very good fit here. Clutterbuck would also be more than welcome.
Im very tempted to trade for either but how do we deal with the logjam?

Grabner is super cap friendly. Perhaps we could offer something around bourque and Diaz for Grabner+? I doubt they'll give up Clutterbuck after just trading for him

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11-29-2013, 12:01 AM
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Im very tempted to trade for either but how do we deal with the logjam?

Grabner is super cap friendly. Perhaps we could offer something around bourque and Diaz for Grabner+? I doubt they'll give up Clutterbuck after just trading for him
Bourque
Diaz
White

Grabner
MacDonald

???

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11-29-2013, 12:11 AM
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Bourque
Diaz
White

Grabner
MacDonald

???
That might be a steal. Grabners caphit swaps with Bourque. We upgrade RW. Good piece in MacDonald too. Id be sad losing White but Bournival can step into the 4th line C role.

We might need to add though.

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11-29-2013, 12:13 AM
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Bourque
Diaz
White

Grabner
MacDonald

???
I don't see Isles giving up MacDonald as he is their ONLY puck moving Dman.

Realistically its Grabner for Diaz + prospect or pick, maybe Leblanc.

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11-29-2013, 04:39 AM
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How about we just ask the Islanders politely for Vanek if we say "Please" that just might be enough to get it done.
P.s. I think we might have to go as far as a "Pretty please" though.
Thoughts?

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11-29-2013, 06:19 AM
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Patch-DD-Diaz and young D prospect for Kane and Buff...
Haha!! I posted the same (very similar!) trade proposal in another thread (''Bergevin looking to make a BIG SPLASH!'').

I prefer yours...mine was more generous:

Pacioretty+DD+Diaz+2nd Rnd Pick
FOR
Byfuglien+E.Kane




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In this thread I liked...
Pacioretty (+ Pateryn)
FOR
Dillon+Chiasson
VERY TEMPTING!!

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Tim Gleason...
could really help us.

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Cal Clutterbuck...
would love to see him in a Hab jersey.

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11-29-2013, 06:25 AM
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How about we just ask the Islanders politely for Vanek if we say "Please" that just might be enough to get it done.
P.s. I think we might have to go as far as a "Pretty please" though.
Thoughts?
Honestly...Vanek would be VERY VERY expensive.
(and we still have to give lots of well deserved $$$$$$ to PK Subban).

Improving our top 4-5 D-Core is more crucial, imo.
(and cheaper VS Vanek!).

What would it take (for example) to get a Tim Gleason?
(and a Gleason would insure us in case of any injury to our current top 4 dmen...of course no one can replace PK Subban, unless we find a young Bobby Orr ).

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11-29-2013, 07:20 AM
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How about we just ask the Islanders politely for Vanek if we say "Please" that just might be enough to get it done.
P.s. I think we might have to go as far as a "Pretty please" though.
Thoughts?
I'd rather wait until he's UFA this summer. Unless the isles want some of our bad contracts, I wouldn't bother now.

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Honestly...Vanek would be VERY VERY expensive.
(and we still have to give lots of well deserved $$$$$$ to PK Subban).

Improving our top 4-5 D-Core is more crucial, imo.
(and cheaper VS Vanek!).

What would it take (for example) to get a Tim Gleason?
(and a Gleason would insure us in case of any injury to our current top 4 dmen...of course no one can replace PK Subban, unless we find a young Bobby Orr ).
Two more seasons at a cap hit of 4 million for injury insurance? No thanks, it would mean letting go some of our Vets to sign PK in the summer and I'd rather do this if the plan is to sign a player like Vanek.

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11-29-2013, 07:47 AM
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I'd say it's pretty short-sighted to not be interested in Grabner. With his physical abilities, he's just as much of a game breaker as a guy like Bickell or Lucic. He opens up room for teammates with his speed and he would add the goal scoring that we need in our top-6. Considering his cap-hit is 3.0mil, I think he's a pretty low-risk/high-reward type of acquisition and it's quite obvious Diaz doesn't have a future in MTL.

I think he'd be a very good fit here. Clutterbuck would also be more than welcome.
Grabner is nowhere near the style of Bickell and/or Lucic. He's an undersized speedster who doesn't get involved in the dirty areas.

Pass.

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11-29-2013, 07:52 AM
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How about we just ask the Islanders politely for Vanek if we say "Please" that just might be enough to get it done.
P.s. I think we might have to go as far as a "Pretty please" though.
Thoughts?
I think you underestimate his value. There is no way they would part with him unless we were willing to sweeten the deal with a few cherries. Preferably on top.

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11-29-2013, 09:50 AM
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Ryan White and a pick or prospect for Matt Moulson.
They just traded Vanek for Matt Moulson. Why the heck would they turn around and trade him for Ryan White?

I do believe Moulson would be a great target. He'll gets a lot of garbage goals, going in the tough areas to score. Only Gallagher does that here.

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11-29-2013, 09:51 AM
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I think you underestimate his value. There is no way they would part with him unless we were willing to sweeten the deal with a few cherries. Preferably on top.
I did say that we might have to say pretty please didn't I?

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11-29-2013, 10:03 AM
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Im very tempted to trade for either but how do we deal with the logjam?

Grabner is super cap friendly. Perhaps we could offer something around bourque and Diaz for Grabner+? I doubt they'll give up Clutterbuck after just trading for him
I think a deal would be made around Diaz, he’s a need for them, a luxury for us.

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Grabner is nowhere near the style of Bickell and/or Lucic. He's an undersized speedster who doesn't get involved in the dirty areas.

Pass.
He's nowhere near the style but he can accomplish similar things with his speed and skill, he’s one of the fastest players in the game.

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11-29-2013, 10:14 AM
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I don't see Grabner being a good fit. We talk about wanting to get bigger and this guy does not do that. In addition he seems to be an inconsistent kind of guy, who fans here hate. I agree he has skill and love the speed, but I would pass on him.

I would offer up Bourque and Diaz to the Flyers for Simmonds. I don't think Bourque is a bad player and Diaz would help the Flyers back end which desperately needs help moving the puck and generating offence. Its clear what we get in Simmonds, a tall but lanky right shot who has decent skill, a guy who plays hard and who hits and fights eagerly. Our LW position is solid, between him and Gallager we would have a solid young core at RW, though we would still need one more guy after Gio leaves.

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11-29-2013, 10:27 AM
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To be honest, I don't like most of the players talk about around here. Sure we like the Kane, Simmonds and company but those or lest likely moves that will happen.
On the other hand, I here names like Patch, Gallagher, Eller and even Subban.

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11-29-2013, 10:59 AM
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That ESPN rumor makes no sense, Grabner doesn't fill a need and doesn't strike me as the type of guy Bergevin would target. His caphit is not that great either. Maybe if it was a Bourque for Grabner deal I could see it making sense. As for Clutterbuck, now that makes sense since he screams character and is the type of player you want in the playoffs but I don't see the Islanders dealing him considering they gave Nino Niederreiter for him who's bouncing back nicely (14 pts in 26 GP). Plus they signed him to a lucrative deal.

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11-29-2013, 12:28 PM
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I'd love either Clutterbuck or Grabner I'm huge fans of both and they would be welcome additions to the team. Cal might be pricey given they gave up Nino for him.

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11-29-2013, 12:36 PM
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Pacioretty for Clutterbuck and Grabner? Habs get smoked on that deal. I hope to god no.

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What ESPN rumor?

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What ESPN rumor?
Habs scouted Jets vs Islanders and Islander scouts were in Buffalo to see The Habs. They speculated that The Habs would be looking at Michael Grabner or Cal Clutterbuck. They also mentioned that The Islanders need a PMD so they could be looking at Diaz.

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Michael Grabner is underperforming and Rene Bourque is underperforming too.

The first one is one of the fastest player in the league.
The second one is bigger and grittier.
Both are similar in terms of offensive production.

Both are under contract till 2015-2016. Grabner's cap hit is 3M$. Bourque is 3,3M$.

Grabner is 26 while Bourque is 31. The major difference -except the age- is that : Grabner cost 5M$ in actual salary and Bourque 2,5M$. So it might be a great thing for the Islanders to save cash.


Grabner could be a really good addition for this team. Hes similar to Michael Bournival in terms of speed in gametype situations.

I could see a line-up looking like :

Galchenyuk - Eller - Grabner
Pacioretty - DD - Gallagher
Briere - Plekanec - Gionta
Prust - Bournival - Moen

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Michael Grabner is underperforming and Rene Bourque is underperforming too.

The first one is one of the fastest player in the league.
The second one is bigger and grittier.
Both are similar in terms of offensive production.

Both are under contract till 2015-2016. Grabner's cap hit is 3M$. Bourque is 3,3M$.

Grabner is 26 while Bourque is 31. The major difference -except the age- is that : Grabner cost 5M$ in actual salary and Bourque 2,5M$. So it might be a great thing for the Islanders to save cash.


Grabner could be a really good addition for this team. Hes similar to Michael Bournival in terms of speed in gametype situations.

I could see a line-up looking like :

Galchenyuk - Eller - Grabner
Pacioretty - DD - Gallagher
Briere - Plekanec - Gionta
Prust - Bournival - Moen

I would do Bourque vs Grabner right now.
Simply because Bourque's age and concussion history.

But i would try to get.....that other player to blance things out!!

Bourque + Diaz + Moen for Grabner + Martin + 2nd round pick.

Martin is mayby a 4th liner, but he is the biggest hitter in the NHL.....for a couple years in a row now.

Bourque would help them offensively
They absolutely need a PMD, it's Diaz
Moen would replace Martin in their line-up
Isle would take some caphit. but less actual money

Habs gets a fast, good 3rd liner in Grabner (in his prime years)
Biggest hitter in the league in Martin
And some cap relief + a pick for the future.

It's not a perfect trade.....but is there any perfect one?

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Grabner has no points in 14 games, that makes him really not interesting right now. I wouldn't trade Diaz for him let alone throw in a pick.
I would file that under "buy low". He is capable of scoring, as he showed 3 years ago. It could be that he is not thriving because of a relationship with the coach that has soured.

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