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[CHI/FLA] Versteeg (50% cap hit) + Phillipe Lefebvre for Jimmy Hayes + Dylan Olsen

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Dude, why don't piss off? This entire thread is you ******** on the Florida Panthers and their fans.

We can't all be the mighty Blackhawks.

How quickly you forget how horrible your franchise was, with that 7000 average attendance, no local television and not a hope in the world. Crappy owners suck, don't they?

You add nothing productive in this thread yet keep flicking your bean while hating on another team. Save it for your own board.

Seriously, shut the **** up.
we (hawks) had a lot of nights with less than 7000 in the building.

other than that, no concerns.

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Petrovic is the top defensive prospect in the system plays a unique physical game and is far better than Robak. Not saying hes untouchable but unless something sweet is coming back our way hes not getting moved. Keep in mind we are a very SOFT team except for Gudbranson. The less skilled brother of a newly acquired AHL player is laughable at best
I would not call him the less talented brother, having a pretty stellar senior season thus far and I actually think he is the better skater of the two. Jimmy has a little more skill in my opinion, Kevin is a little more physical. Either way they are kind of a toss up, keep in mind Kevin Hayes is a first round pick.

Still not worth moving Petrovic for, that is not fair value in my opinion. Robak has struggled but given Kevin Hayes' contract situation I don't think he would be swapped either, plus he is a lefty shot so the interest goes down from the Hawks end of things.

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The less skilled brother
Is Jimmy. Kevin is the much more valuable asset.

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In essence, this scenario defeats the whole purpose of a draft.
If it starts happening more regularly, players going the college route will be looked at like Russian prospects.

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Petrovic is the top defensive prospect in the system plays a unique physical game and is far better than Robak. Not saying hes untouchable but unless something sweet is coming back our way hes not getting moved. Keep in mind we are a very SOFT team except for Gudbranson. The less skilled brother of a newly acquired AHL player is laughable at best
The so called less skilled brother was drafted in the first round of the 2010 NHL Draft as opposed to the newly acquired Florida Panther prospect who was drafted in the second round of the 2008 NHL Draft.

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Here, why don't we do this:

To Chicago:

Huberdeau
Bjugstad
Markstrom
Barkov
Matthias
Kulikov
Tallon
Stanley C. Panther
Zamboni

To Florida:

Toilet paper

We'll also pay everyone's entire salary for the remainder of their entire NHL career, regardless of how much they sign for. We'll ice our AHL team and continue to provide skill and assets for the big club (Chicago Blackhawks).

God, I thought Leafs fans were bad but they are saints compared to you **********.

Does a couple of championships turn EVERY fanbase into a bunch of snobs? I feel like the Kings fans are still pretty down to earth.

EDIT-I just don't understand how fans of a team that was almost in the identical situation that Florida is right now less than 10 years ago can **** on a franchise and its fanbase so much.

Humble beginnings are quickly forgotten I see?
You're a complete joke.

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Is Jimmy. Kevin is the much more valuable asset.


Really? hes valuable? Like how. Neither are valuable in any way except for being call ups when the team has injured players

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Really? hes valuable? Like how. Neither are valuable in any way except for being call ups when the team has injured players
Wow.

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The so called less skilled brother was drafted in the first round of the 2010 NHL Draft as opposed to the newly acquired Florida Panther prospect who was drafted in the second round of the 2008 NHL Draft.
Draft position does have some influence on value, but just because one went higher than the other doesn't necessarily mean one is incredibly better than the other. Jimmy Hayes helped Kevin's draft position in my opinion. Jimmy also had a better three year career at BC than his brother did if you're comparing that. Kevin has stayed behind for a senior year that is off to a very good start. They are kind of a toss up, if one gets put in a better position to succeed at the NHL level he will likely be thought of as the better brother, whether or not that is true.

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really? Hes valuable? Like how. Neither are valuable in any way except for being call ups when the team has injured players
what?!

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The so called less skilled brother was drafted in the first round of the 2010 NHL Draft as opposed to the newly acquired Florida Panther prospect who was drafted in the second round of the 2008 NHL Draft.
Is this logic? Is this reason? What is is this albatross form of thinking? Explain how the position in which someone was drafted has any relevance to this topic? Some players drafted early do not perform as well as players drafted later and vice versa. Your bringing up the draft position?

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The Hayes duo are going to be regular NHL players in the future?

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Really? hes valuable? Like how. Neither are valuable in any way except for being call ups when the team has injured players
They are both valuable assets, that is why you just traded for one and immediately optioned him up. Big guys that skate pretty well for their size with some offensive skills. I don't think you can call one a lot more valuable than the other unless you're a slave to draft position, most scouts around the league shouldn't be with the data they have on both these days.

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I am also worried about Kevin jumping ship to hang with his bro in FLA. BUT, there isn't a whole lot of room in the Hawks system for him, so his loss wouldn't be substantial. I can't see Kevin on this team in 2 years, and I'm not sure he wants to wait any longer than that, like his bro did.

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Is this logic? Is this reason? What is is this albatross form of thinking? Explain how the position in which someone was drafted has any relevance to this topic? Some players drafted early do not perform as well as players drafted later and vice versa. Your bringing up the draft position?
KHayes is scoring 1.5PPG in college, he has second line upside. JHayes at the absolute peak of his value was third liner.

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Draft position does have some influence on value, but just because one went higher than the other doesn't necessarily mean one is incredibly better than the other. Jimmy Hayes helped Kevin's draft position in my opinion. Jimmy also had a better three year career at BC than his brother did if you're comparing that. Kevin has stayed behind for a senior year that is off to a very good start. They are kind of a toss up, if one gets put in a better position to succeed at the NHL level he will likely be thought of as the better brother, whether or not that is true.
Thanks for being the only one here with common sense

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They are both valuable assets, that is why you just traded for one and immediately optioned him up. Big guys that skate pretty well for their size with some offensive skills. I don't think you can call one a lot more valuable than the other unless you're a slave to draft position, most scouts around the league shouldn't be with the data they have on both these days.
Maybe not more valuable, but Kevin is definitely more talented/skilled.

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They are both valuable assets, that is why you just traded for one and immediately optioned him up. Big guys that skate pretty well for their size with some offensive skills. I don't think you can call one a lot more valuable than the other unless you're a slave to draft position, most scouts around the league shouldn't be with the data they have on both these days.
Kevin is more valuable.

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The Hayes duo are going to be regular NHL players in the future?
Yes, Jimmy has produced pretty well with the big club. KHayes is the much better prospect and is scoring 1.5ppg in college this season.

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The Hayes duo are going to be regular NHL players in the future?
Yes they probably both have NHL futures, take a look at their bloodlines, frames, and talent. It is where they will slot into an NHL lineup that will be telling. But big guys like that who can skate at least generally carve out some kind of checking role for a number of years. The key will be can they hit it big and move up the lineup and both have the ability to do that, but only time will tell.

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Kevin is a completely different style of player anyway.

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KHayes is scoring 1.5PPG in college, he has second line upside. JHayes at the absolute peak of his value was third liner.
Hes a senior, plenty of college players put up numbers. Their are many prospects who may make the NHL the second line upside is a big if. When I think college players with second line upside I think Kreider (before he turned pro) and Bjugstad. No way does Hayes have that kind of legitimacy around him.

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Draft position does have some influence on value, but just because one went higher than the other doesn't necessarily mean one is incredibly better than the other. Jimmy Hayes helped Kevin's draft position in my opinion. Jimmy also had a better three year career at BC than his brother did if you're comparing that. Kevin has stayed behind for a senior year that is off to a very good start. They are kind of a toss up, if one gets put in a better position to succeed at the NHL level he will likely be thought of as the better brother, whether or not that is true.
Kevin Hayes stayed behind his senior season because he was injured in his junior season and required surgery.

http://www.bceagles.com/sports/m-hoc...022713aac.html

Kevin Hayes was rated 26th overall for NA skaters in the 2010 NHL Draft by Central Scouting. Jimmy Hayes was rated 63rd overall for NA skaters in the 2008 NHL Draft by Central Scouting.

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Yes they probably both have NHL futures, take a look at their bloodlines, frames, and talent. It is where they will slot into an NHL lineup that will be telling. But big guys like that who can skate at least generally carve out some kind of checking role for a number of years. The key will be can they hit it big and move up the lineup and both have the ability to do that, but only time will tell.
J. Hayes is big and not physical certainly a red flag for a regular NHL future. Add that to the fact that hes not a consistent scoring threat. You are left with a big soft player who may or may not score. That is questionable to say the least at the NHL level. He can play for us on a regular basis but that doesn't say much when your playing for the Panthers.

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Kevin Hayes stayed behind his senior season because he was injured in his junior season and required surgery.

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Kevin Hayes was rated 26th overall for NA skaters in the 2010 NHL Draft by Central Scouting. Jimmy Hayes was rated 63rd overall for NA skaters in the 2008 NHL Draft by Central Scouting.
wow.. You cant be serious

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