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11-15-2013, 05:02 PM
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Would the Rangers consider Elliot, Wilson and a 2nd or 3rd from the Avs? Having a hard time judging value on MDZ.

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Del Zotto is much more valuable than Petry. If anything, he's being underrated by posters here - he's been undervalued by Rangers fans for a long time because he is behind Staal and McD on the depth chart. When forced into a top role MDZ played hockey that Jeff Petry will never dream of playing.

Del Zotto is the best player in this deal. Hemsky and Petry have the worst +/- on the Oilers... other than Yakupov. Of course the deal I proposed favors the Rangers, it's a starting point. Propose a counter offer if you'd like, but if you honestly think Petry has more value than MDZ, I'd rather you didn't.
Why are Rangers fans asking for him then? You need a RHD. I'll ignore your plus minus comment, plus minus is the most useless stat in sports when used the way you've used it. Petry is better defensively than MDZ, and its not close really. The offense is in MDZ's court, but Petry is a better all around defenseman, in a position you need. There is no reason for the Oilers to make what can best be described as a side step in trading Petry for MDZ.

MDZ is the type of defenseman who people either seem to love (over value) or hate (under value). I think there is a lot of both going on in this thread.

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11-15-2013, 05:05 PM
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Ranger fans, is MDZ any good defensively? Be honest.
He's not a detriment defensively. He has lapses.

His issues seems to be trying to be too offensive from his d-zone. His issues include fumbling the puck in his own zone, trying to force cross ice passes, trying to do too much, etc.

He's not going to be a stay at home guy, and his offense is his strength, but he's not abysmal defensively. A solid 2nd pair guy that can put up 40 on a regular basis.

(my unbiased view)

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That's kinda the deal I had in mind.
Seems reasonable.

Sharks are so insanely tightlipped it's hard to tell what they are actually doing. I have a feeling they are more likely to want to give up prospects and picks, but a d-man would HAVE to go and some cap space made.

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11-15-2013, 05:06 PM
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what would they want from the leafs.

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Would the Rangers consider Elliot, Wilson and a 2nd or 3rd from the Avs? Having a hard time judging value on MDZ.
Nah. Elliott isn't an NHLer yet. We already have a somewhat lesser version of Wilson in Falk and no room for another LD to boot.

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11-15-2013, 05:13 PM
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Why are Rangers fans asking for him then? You need a RHD. I'll ignore your plus minus comment, plus minus is the most useless stat in sports when used the way you've used it. Petry is better defensively than MDZ, and its not close really. The offense is in MDZ's court, but Petry is a better all around defenseman, in a position you need. There is no reason for the Oilers to make what can best be described as a side step in trading Petry for MDZ.

MDZ is the type of defenseman who people either seem to love (over value) or hate (under value). I think there is a lot of both going on in this thread.
What stats do you prefer? Defensive point shares? Corsi? Fenwick? By any metrics, Del Zotto has been the better defenseman over the last couple years.

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Seems reasonable.

Sharks are so insanely tightlipped it's hard to tell what they are actually doing. I have a feeling they are more likely to want to give up prospects and picks, but a d-man would HAVE to go and some cap space made.
Rangers are pretty much the same. OT: But I have Burns on my fantasy team and check in on your boards every once in a while to see if I can get info on him. Some of the comments about the front office communication on injuries echo on the Rangers board with our front office.


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Funny, he was on the outs with Torts, now he's not playing under Vigneault. Is he a guy who just needs the exact right change-of-scenery or was his early potential a bit of a smokescreen masking a player who just doesn't have 'it', like, say, Alex Goligoski?
This can't be true. I was told he was a top 4 dman.

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11-15-2013, 05:27 PM
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The return will be much less than what Ranger fans are demanding in this thread, and they will all proceed to trash Del Zotto and praise the deal.

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The return will be much less than what Ranger fans are demanding in this thread, and they will all proceed to trash Del Zotto and praise the deal.
Isn't this what happens after all trades on HF?

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Shame that he's best suited to the left side. Anaheim could have swung a change of scenery deal.

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Inb4 my fellow Oilers fans offer Hemsky for him.

lol.
or before NYR or other fans suggest Yakupov+Eberle for him

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Some Oilers fans think Klefbom for Del Zotto.

Ugh.

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11-15-2013, 05:35 PM
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id like E.Kane Trouba to Rangers for Del Zotto, Brian Boyle, 1st 2014 , 1st 2016 please

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Not what we need. We have at least two young d-men doing what he does, better.

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id like E.Kane Trouba to Rangers for Del Zotto, Brian Boyle, 1st 2014 , 1st 2016 please
Well I would like a shiny new sports car, some things just aren't in the cards.

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11-15-2013, 05:39 PM
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id like E.Kane Trouba to Rangers for Del Zotto, Brian Boyle, 1st 2014 , 1st 2016 please
and im sure the Jets would do 2014 1st, 2016 1st, and Olli Jokinen for Derek Stepan and Ryan McDonagh.

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I'd love for the Lightning to get involved. Our defense is much improved but we could use another D, especially with Salo hurt and a UFA at seasons end. Plus he's best friends with Stamkos.
Tampa is a very interesting landing spot, they have the expendable first and some prospects to get it done as well.

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How about Tyson Barrie, Kieran Millan and a 2015 2nd rounder?

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My guess is the Avs are very interested. Rangers scouts were at the Avs game last night as well and MDZ was linked to the Avs last year in the ROR rumors. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Colorado.

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11-15-2013, 06:02 PM
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My guess is the Avs are very interested. Rangers scouts were at the Avs game last night as well and MDZ was linked to the Avs last year in the ROR rumors. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Colorado.
Good point. But ROR can't be traded until the trade deadline. So if its happening now, someone other than him has to be coming back.

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11-15-2013, 06:04 PM
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Good point. But ROR can't be traded until the trade deadline. So if its happening now, someone other than him has to be coming back.
Del Zotto isn't that close to ROR. I'm not going to even pretend to know who Roy/Sakic would trade. Never saw Downie getting traded...

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Winnipeg is in the market for a LHD, although I'm sure they aren't alone on that list.
Rangers need a RD with McD , Staal , Moore on the LD

Also the F group is looking better with Kreider and Zuccarello doing well and Nash coming back. Stepan looks to be back to normal after missing most of camp and Cally and Hagelin are healthy

Is Rundblad from the Yotes doing well or even playing? I doubt MN would move Spurgeon? Something along those lines though

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Sharks could use a LD, what would rangers be looking for? Don't ask for Hertl
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An equivalent RD or a young-ish forward with offense.
As I mentioned earlier, Demers seems like a perfect swap.

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