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12-05-2013, 01:00 PM
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That's not exactly what I meant at all.

You missed my point.
As far as I'm concerned, you two are saying the same thing.

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Remember that stud Chris Didomenico?
I was rocking a Didomenico avatar until like... this past July.

But honestly, if you weren't pulling that guy, you have no heart.

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As far as I'm concerned, you two are saying the same thing.
Look at their play, not their stats? That's not what I was saying. That's obvious. Ruegsegger, Nicholls, and Champagne all were engaged physically, played at both ends of the ice, played the PK, etc. Ruesegger and Rau always had their motor going, etc. None were lazy. All of them earned their points, and their goals. They were leaders on their team, big game performers, etc. I'm not talking about their play as in, oh these guys were perimeter players, were products of a good player or good team...like what people think of Brad Boyes on the Islanders despite all of his points etc.

I'm talking about the really small things --- stuff that most of us fans would never notice. Like their skating technique, their first step/stride, their acceleration.....little tiny things that our scouts saw that said "they have everything else, but this one thing will prevent him from adjusting to the pro game."

I'm not talking about simply NOT stat watching. Give me a break.

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12-05-2013, 03:32 PM
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Look at their play, not their stats? That's not what I was saying. That's obvious. Ruegsegger, Nicholls, and Champagne all were engaged physically, played at both ends of the ice, played the PK, etc. Ruesegger and Rau always had their motor going, etc. None were lazy. All of them earned their points, and their goals. They were leaders on their team, big game performers, etc. I'm not talking about their play as in, oh these guys were perimeter players, were products of a good player or good team...like what people think of Brad Boyes on the Islanders despite all of his points etc.

I'm talking about the really small things --- stuff that most of us fans would never notice. Like their skating technique, their first step/stride, their acceleration.....little tiny things that our scouts saw that said "they have everything else, but this one thing will prevent him from adjusting to the pro game."

I'm not talking about simply NOT stat watching. Give me a break.
I think some of it can be seen to the naked eye. Champagne was a lousy skater and didn't improve enough to justify a contract.

Ruegsegger's skating wasn't that great for the type of player he's supposed to be and for 4 years maturation in the NCAA. I got the sense that the Leafs' hockey people liked his personal character more than his abilities as a hockey player.

I never saw much of Nicholls. What I saw was a lightly built player with an awkward stride reminiscent of Jeremy Williams.

I think you're putting way too much into the culling process. We're talking about declining contracts to the least of the team's drafted prospects. That's not genius. They've also given many contracts to their share of future AHL dogs too like every other NHL team. They weren't able to identify that none of Alex Berry, Brayden Irwin, Robert Slaney, Stefano Giliati and Kyle Rogers deserved a contract.

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12-05-2013, 03:50 PM
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I think some of it can be seen to the naked eye. Champagne was a lousy skater and didn't improve enough to justify a contract.

Ruegsegger's skating wasn't that great for the type of player he's supposed to be and for 4 years maturation in the NCAA. I got the sense that the Leafs' hockey people liked his personal character more than his abilities as a hockey player.

I never saw much of Nicholls. What I saw was a lightly built player with an awkward stride reminiscent of Jeremy Williams.

I think you're putting way too much into the culling process. We're talking about declining contracts to the least of the team's drafted prospects. That's not genius. They've also given many contracts to their share of future AHL dogs too like every other NHL team. They weren't able to identify that none of Alex Berry, Brayden Irwin, Robert Slaney, Stefano Giliati and Kyle Rogers deserved a contract.
I never called it genius, I called it neat. And most of us knew these things about the players from reading scouting reports, not from watching them play. Anyways.

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12-05-2013, 08:38 PM
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three assists for Brown in a 6-1 win over Peterborough. Now tied with team-mate Dane Fox for the scoring lead with 58 points in 29 games.

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I was rocking a Didomenico avatar until like... this past July.

But honestly, if you weren't pulling that guy, you have no heart.
I was pulling for him, until i faced him in beer league and he slashed my stick and said "do you know who i am? I play in the show"

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I was pulling for him, until i faced him in beer league and he slashed my stick and said "do you know who i am? I play in the show"
The Italian show?

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The Italian show?
The no show ?

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I was pulling for him, until i faced him in beer league and he slashed my stick and said "do you know who i am? I play in the show"
Probably would've punched his entitled face.

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I was pulling for him, until i faced him in beer league and he slashed my stick and said "do you know who i am? I play in the show"
I wouldn't even consider him a plug

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I was pulling for him, until i faced him in beer league and he slashed my stick and said "do you know who i am? I play in the show"
Completely unprovoked? Just skated up to you minding your own business and smashed your stick and said that? I'm finding it hard to believe.

I'm guessing there was more to this if it's true.

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Look at their play, not their stats? That's not what I was saying. That's obvious. Ruegsegger, Nicholls, and Champagne all were engaged physically, played at both ends of the ice, played the PK, etc. Ruesegger and Rau always had their motor going, etc. None were lazy. All of them earned their points, and their goals. They were leaders on their team, big game performers, etc. I'm not talking about their play as in, oh these guys were perimeter players, were products of a good player or good team...like what people think of Brad Boyes on the Islanders despite all of his points etc.

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I'm not talking about simply NOT stat watching. Give me a break.
That's the type of thing I was referring to.

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Stats in Junior usually don't equal production at the NHL level.

You need to actually watch the games and try to determine what skills will translate well into the NHL and what skills won't.

That is the difficulty in gauging how well a prospect is doing. Thats why I encourage all you folk to watch the games and not just the stats to form an opinion.

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12-06-2013, 02:48 PM
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Report: Yankees, Kuroda agree to one-year, $16M contract
Toronto Maple Leafs prospect Hiroki Kuroda ladies and gentlemen.

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Toronto Maple Leafs prospect Hiroki Kuroda ladies and gentlemen.
Only a 3-1 k/bb ratio? Bust.

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Only a 3-1 k/bb ratio? Bust.
You know that the k/bb ratio is like the +/- of the NHL. Go wash your hands for typing that monstrosity on your keyboard and curl up with your calculator choir boy

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Viktor Loov scored another goal today. The one swedish guy flying under the radar

7pts (3gls) 47 hits in 29 games

Edit: he is a defensman, in the mold of a gunnarson with better offence

Profil: A two-way defenseman with good size and a great attitude. Team player and a pretty consistent player. Has some pretty good offensive skills to go with his defense. Very good passer. Not super fast, but mobile. Could improve his shot.

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I was pulling for him, until i faced him in beer league and he slashed my stick and said "do you know who i am? I play in the show"
You'll love his twitter then.

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The Herzog with a short handed goal in Halifax tonight. Still a period to go.

Edit: also catch Brown on Sportsnet right now.
Brown hasn't been playing with McDavid, he's been with Gaunce and Fox since the Gaunce trade.

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With the shot like that, it seems like a no brainer for the Leafs (or someone) to sign Fox and see what happens. The guy has some really legit moments out there. I love Brown's play so much as well. If i absolutely had to choose, i would take Brown because he works so hard every shift. Harder than anyone (besides maybe McDavid just because). Lots of creativity too, uses the body and speed ability.


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Brown is such a smart and shifty offensive player. Really good hands and good dekes. Reminds me of Kris Versteeg a bit.

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Now, i'm not saying that Gauthier is a Bustier at all, as i do think there's all kinds of value there, but from the few games i've seen (not every, but a few) from each player, Andre Burakovsky is currently one full level higher in overall ability.

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Now, i'm not saying that Gauthier is a Bustier at all, as i do think there's all kinds of value there, but from the few games i've seen (not every, but a few) from each player, Andre Burakovsky is currently one full level higher in overall ability.
I love Burakovsky, great player. Tons of speed and a crazy wrist shot. But I don't think theres any doubt Gauthier is better defensively. It's also easier to look good on a 25-4-1-0 team with McDavid on your line than it is on a 16-10-2-3 team.

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