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11-18-2013, 04:41 PM
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Lol at all the Gagner is way better than Bozak talk. If anything Gagner might be slightly better and thats it. Hes only like 2 years younger, and both have put up similar points per game paces throughout their career. Bozak defensively>>>>>Gagner, their offense numbers are basically the same.

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11-18-2013, 04:43 PM
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see yur avatar. that is the leafs response to this proposal.

horrible.

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11-18-2013, 04:46 PM
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see yur avatar. that is the leafs response to this proposal.

horrible.
chalk another one up under started by leafs fan... shot down by leafs fans.

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11-18-2013, 04:49 PM
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I am a huge fan of both team. As a Leafs fan I hate the proposal, but as an Oilers fan I would take it and run.

Gagner would make a good first line centre for Toronto, but after resigning Bozak, they would need to make other moves since they also have Kadri. Kulemin is also an integral piece to our PK and there is more value in keeping Franson than trading him still.

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11-18-2013, 04:55 PM
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I wouldn't even trade the 1st for Gagner. What a garbage proposal.

Don't want or need Omark anywhere near the Leafs or Marlies either.

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11-18-2013, 09:25 PM
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Is this like a troll thread or some payback for leaf fans. I wouldn't even give up one those peices for Gagner (omark is irrelavent, wasn't he waived and no picked him up?)

My turn I guess:

EDM 1st (2015)
Justin Shultz
Perron

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Conditional 4th round pick
(upgrades to 3rd rounder if leafs win their division)


The sad part is you're probably serious.

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11-19-2013, 02:32 AM
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Kadri is defensively responsible.
I don't think elbow to the head and running over a goalie is considered defensive.

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11-19-2013, 02:34 AM
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But not over Kadri or Bolland....so.....
That means Gagner I think will take Bozak spot between JVR and Kessel.

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11-19-2013, 04:37 AM
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I don't think elbow to the head and running over a goalie is considered defensive.
I wasnt aware that citing one incident in a career was how to judge a player.

I guess Taylor Hall is a terrible defensive player, seeing as he was suspended for kneeing.

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11-19-2013, 05:08 AM
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I wouldn't even trade the 1st for Gagner. What a garbage proposal.

Don't want or need Omark anywhere near the Leafs or Marlies either.
Come on now, anyone who pays attention can tell you Omark is good as gold in the AHL. Transitioning it to the next level is his problem and league below the NHL level Omark is an impact player in.

I still believe Omark can be an effective player if put in the proper situation. He is similair to the Marc Andre Bergeron of forwards, good offense weak defense and for a team that doesn't have good offensive wingers he can play sheltered 4th line minutes and then a lot of powerplay time to get his numbers. That team however is clearly not Toronto as you guys have a pretty strong group.

Florida would be a good place for him to go on the cheap if they trade any more wingers.

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11-19-2013, 06:18 AM
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LOL i saw gagner and franson and thought hmm maybe then saw the rest lol..

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11-19-2013, 07:47 AM
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That means Gagner I think will take Bozak spot between JVR and Kessel.
Gagner will take a spot on waivers. Do you guys wanna do it or want to give him for nothing? He seems just as much useless as other Edmonton team's players right now. Edmonton's value is all time low. We don't want skill, we don't want softies and on top of everything we don't want defensive black holes.

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11-19-2013, 08:27 AM
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Deal like this only makes sense for Toronto if Bozak is out for several months.
no, it doesnt ...because Holland is cheaper, and we can send him down when Bozak is ready ...Gagner puts us over the cap when Bozak is ready. ...and is not an upgrade on any of our Centers (due to role on the team) he would be competing with Kadri for offensive C, and not come close

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11-19-2013, 09:18 AM
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Very poor proposal.

Franson < Gagner (not by much)
Kulimen >>>>> Omark
and you want a first round pick???

no.

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11-19-2013, 09:38 AM
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Bozak would have to be traded or waived to make room for Gagner.

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11-19-2013, 09:43 AM
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Bozak would have to be traded or waived to make room for Gagner.
Why would we bother? They are essentially the same except Bozak is better defensively.

So according to the OP, we would be giving all the rest for Omark?


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11-19-2013, 09:56 AM
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Why would we bother? They are essentially the same except Bozak is better defensively.
And Gagner is better offensively. Oh that one time he cracked 40 points

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11-19-2013, 10:08 AM
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And Gagner is better offensively. Oh that one time he cracked 40 points
Please explain how Gagner, who is a liability defensively, would help a team who's biggest issue is defense?

Then, can you explain how Gagner's carreer high 49 points make him leaps and bounds better than Bozak's 47?

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11-19-2013, 11:51 AM
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Isn't Omark in the AHL? This trade gets worse and worse every time I look at it.
Omark is worth it because he can scores on the shootout, dontchaknow.

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11-19-2013, 11:53 AM
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Please explain how Gagner, who is a liability defensively, would help a team who's biggest issue is defense?

Then, can you explain how Gagner's carreer high 49 points make him leaps and bounds better than Bozak's 47?
If you draw out the number 1 through 50 on the ground, and then draw boxes around them, sorta so they're stacked in singles or pairs, then toss a rock and land it on 50... well then 49 would be a leap and bound better than 47.

What do I win?

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11-19-2013, 11:55 AM
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We'll trade you Leaf Rocket for Chalupa Batman.
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11-19-2013, 11:55 AM
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Gagner is just pure and simple garbage. Leave it and move on to Larsen.

What would take to save his career from being ruined?

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11-19-2013, 01:19 PM
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Then, can you explain how Gagner's carreer high 49 points make him leaps and bounds better than Bozak's 47?
Lets see, Gagner has NEVER scored less than 40 points aside from the shortened 48 game season where he scored 38 points.

On the other hand, Bozak being 3 years older has only scored over 40 points once playing on a #1 line with Phil Kessel ect. His next best season is 32 points in an 82 game season. He scored 28 points in the recently shortened season, where Gagner has almost as many assists (24) as his points. Other than the 2 seasons mentioned he hasn't scored over 30 points, EVER in the NHL.

Tout Bozaks defensive prowess all you like, but hes better suited to a 3rd/4th line role rather than a 1st line scoring/setup man. He's not a first or second line center on the vast majority of NHL teams. Bozak also leads in the worst +/ category obtained by reaching -29 in the 2010/11 season, I suppose that's something to hold onto.

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11-19-2013, 01:37 PM
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Lets see, Gagner has NEVER scored less than 40 points aside from the shortened 48 game season where he scored 38 points.

On the other hand, Bozak being 3 years older has only scored over 40 points once playing on a #1 line with Phil Kessel ect. His next best season is 32 points in an 82 game season. He scored 28 points in the recently shortened season, where Gagner has almost as many assists (24) as his points. Other than the 2 seasons mentioned he hasn't scored over 30 points, EVER in the NHL.

Tout Bozaks defensive prowess all you like, but hes better suited to a 3rd/4th line role rather than a 1st line scoring/setup man. He's not a first or second line center on the vast majority of NHL teams. Bozak also leads in the worst +/ category obtained by reaching -29 in the 2010/11 season, I suppose that's something to hold onto.
I can see Gagner beating him in that this season.

EDIT: He has played 9 games and is -9. Just imagine where he would be at the remaining games?

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11-19-2013, 02:10 PM
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I can see Gagner beating him in that this season.

EDIT: He has played 9 games and is -9. Just imagine where he would be at the remaining games?
Right because its guaranteed to continuously trend downward without fluctuation.

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