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11-18-2013, 07:38 PM
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Christian Ehrhoff





Jared Cowen
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11-18-2013, 07:41 PM
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Nope.

Sabres can't trade Ehrhoff due to the recapture risk.

So with that..I won't even comment about the value.

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11-18-2013, 07:44 PM
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What's the rule? I realize it's penalty when he retires, but how is it calculated?

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11-18-2013, 07:45 PM
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Are you sure you want to send Cowen to our division? He's having the worst sophomore slump I think I've ever seen in my life, but that doesn't mean you ship him off to a division rival. If he rebounds....we'd be looking like fools.

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11-18-2013, 07:46 PM
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Are you sure you want to send Cowen to our division? He's having the worst sophomore slump I think I've ever seen in my life, but that doesn't mean you ship him off to a division rival. If he rebounds....we'd be looking like fools.
I realize that but Buffalo has no reason to trade him unless that type of player is coming back

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A Myers-Cowen pairing would be awesome now that I think about it.

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Seems pretty fair

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11-18-2013, 07:47 PM
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A Myers-Cowen pairing would be awesome now that I think about it.
My thoughts exactly

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11-18-2013, 07:48 PM
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Buffalo says no thanks. The recapture penalty is the main reason why. Cowen is a nice piece, Schneider is just a throw in.

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11-18-2013, 07:50 PM
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Buffalo says no thanks. The recapture penalty is the main reason why. Cowen is a nice piece, Schneider is just a throw in.
What's the rule exactly? Does it make a difference if he retires on Ottawa or on Buffalo? Is Buffalo penalized more if they trade him?

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11-18-2013, 07:55 PM
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Way to early to give up on cowen no matter the return (within reason ofc). I know lots of the sens fanbase at least on here is off his bandwagon. But I still think he will top out as a shutdown #2 or 3 who hits hard, can skate, and has that mean streak.

There is no way I entertain the possibility of moving him especially in the division even with the excuses of him not hitting his potential ( like lack of hockey sense ).

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Not sure why Ottawa wants to deal Cowen....

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11-18-2013, 08:02 PM
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Not sure why Ottawa wants to deal Cowen....
People are panicking because he looks sooooooo bad right now. That will change I would imagine, but for now he's the goat - and with reason to be honest.

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Not sure why Ottawa wants to deal Cowen....
Going through a sophomore slump, coming off major injury, missed some developmental years, team is inconsistent, and thrust into a role he is not ready for yet equals him being the new whipping boy this season.

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11-18-2013, 08:18 PM
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What's the rule exactly? Does it make a difference if he retires on Ottawa or on Buffalo? Is Buffalo penalized more if they trade him?
Basically, if he retires the Sabres would be on the hook for the cap "savings" they got because the deal was frontloaded.

If they keep Ehrhoff until his low salary years, then they can reduce the amount they're on the hook...but if they trade him before then, they can't cut down the amount they might owe.

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11-18-2013, 08:26 PM
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Basically, if he retires the Sabres would be on the hook for the cap "savings" they got because the deal was frontloaded.

If they keep Ehrhoff until his low salary years, then they can reduce the amount they're on the hook...but if they trade him before then, they can't cut down the amount they might owe.
It doesn't matter which team Ehrhoff is playing for if he retires early, the penalty is the same, and the Sabres are guaranteed to get it. For instance, if he retires in 2019, the cap recapture penalty is $3mil/year until the end of his contract, regardless of which team he was on when he retired.

The only benefit Buffalo would have if he stays on the team is they can personally ensure he plays as long as possible, I guess?

That being said, I can understand why the Sabres (or their fans) don't want to see him moved, just from the optics of the situation: you pay a guy two incredibly front-loaded years, trade him away in Year 3, and still have to pay if he retires early... looks bad.

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11-18-2013, 08:31 PM
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Not sure why Ottawa wants to deal Cowen....
He was suppose to be a top 4 dman this year. Sadly he hasnt progressed that far yet. Its more a knock on management that they though putting Weir and Cowen together as the second pairing in their second year was a good idea. He takes to long to make decisions.

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11-18-2013, 08:35 PM
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I suppose Erhoff is untradable due to the re-capture, and Erhoff will be a cheap player in actual salary wise going forward, and he's a good player so keeping him is all the Sabres should do.

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11-18-2013, 08:45 PM
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It doesn't matter which team Ehrhoff is playing for if he retires early, the penalty is the same, and the Sabres are guaranteed to get it. For instance, if he retires in 2019, the cap recapture penalty is $3mil/year until the end of his contract, regardless of which team he was on when he retired.

The only benefit Buffalo would have if he stays on the team is they can personally ensure he plays as long as possible, I guess?

That being said, I can understand why the Sabres (or their fans) don't want to see him moved, just from the optics of the situation: you pay a guy two incredibly front-loaded years, trade him away in Year 3, and still have to pay if he retires early... looks bad.
The difference is that if Ehrhoff is still on the Sabres when and if he decides to retire, the Sabres can buy out the remaining years and pay only a percentage of the balance due. The cap hit would be minimized. If Ehrhoff is on another team, the Sabres lose that option.

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11-18-2013, 08:50 PM
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What's the rule exactly? Does it make a difference if he retires on Ottawa or on Buffalo? Is Buffalo penalized more if they trade him?
His contract...... 10, 8, 4,4,4,4,3,1,1,1,1. $4M/ yr cap hit.

The first two years he was paid $18M but only counted $8M against the cap so buffalo has to make up for that $10m gain...

If he plays out the contract the last 4 yrs he makes up on that $10M advantage.

If he retires in the summer before
5yrs left then $2M hit each year
4yr. $2.5m each

If he is on the sabres for yrs. after that then the that $10M is decreased because salary< cap hit...

So if he retires when there is 3,2,1 yrs left it will be a cap hit f $3M each yr till the cntract ends.

If he s traded....this is the real risk.......this s the real risk

If he retires with 3 yrs it's $10M spread ver 3 yrs
If he retires with 2 yrs it's $5M each
He retires with 1 yr left it will be a $10M cap hit

This also applies if he was bought out by the new team.

If buffalo buys him out then the same recapture applies as mentioned above..but you also have to add n the buy out amount of 2/3 of remaining salary spread out ver twice the yrs left.

Buying him out with 4 yrs left means recapture of $2.5M per yr for 4 yrs + buy out of $4M spread ver 8 yrs ($500,000 each yr)

An deal buffalo makes with Ehrhoff there needs to be a guarantee he is bought out r he retires when there is 3 yrs left.

That $10M one yr cap hit is dangerous.


Since the salary> cap hit yrs were already on buffalo there is no recapture risk on the new team. Had that not been the case like with Luongo, there would be recapture risk n the new team

As for the trade ....they aren't going to trade him to a division rival.

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11-18-2013, 08:50 PM
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What's the rule exactly? Does it make a difference if he retires on Ottawa or on Buffalo? Is Buffalo penalized more if they trade him?
Buffalo is the only team penalized regardless of where he plays, and it varies based on when he retires, if he retires before the end of his contract. The difference is, if he's with the Sabres, we can just buy him out if/when he decides to hang up the skates and save a boatload of cap space.

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11-18-2013, 08:57 PM
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I was curious as to what the recapture would be. Here is the breakdown.

Retire....Penalty......Through
Year
2015 $1,666,667....2015-21
2016 $2,000,000....2016-21
2017 $2,500,000....2017-21
2018 $3,333,333....2018-21
2019 $5,000,000....2019-21
2020 $10,000,000...2020-21

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What's the rule? I realize it's penalty when he retires, but how is it calculated?
Basically, it's all on the Sabres.

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11-18-2013, 09:13 PM
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The difference is that if Ehrhoff is still on the Sabres when and if he decides to retire, the Sabres can buy out the remaining years and pay only a percentage of the balance due. The cap hit would be minimized. If Ehrhoff is on another team, the Sabres lose that option.
Is that even possible? Can you buy out a penalty?

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11-18-2013, 09:28 PM
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Buying him out with 4 yrs left means recapture of $2.5M per yr for 4 yrs + buy out of $4M spread ver 8 yrs ($500,000 each yr)
Are you sure about this? According to capgeek, buyout caphit is as high as 3.5m, meaning a total of 6m hit for those 4 years.

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