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11-18-2013, 12:13 PM
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Blues play in Buffalo tomorrow so let's just make the swap before the game starts, k? Thanks...

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11-18-2013, 12:53 PM
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Blues play in Buffalo tomorrow so let's just make the swap before the game starts, k? Thanks...
I'd be interested to see what Sabres fans think of Berglund.

Obviously this deal is for trade-deadline time. Until then I would look for Berglund to change my mind that he is holding back Schwartz and Tarasenko. But a center with size might interest Buffalo.

Berglund as the center-piece of a Halak-for-Miller swap with the Blues spending draft-picks/prospects elsewhere for an upgrade to Berglund.

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11-18-2013, 01:00 PM
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Berglund will not be included with Halak for Miller. Not only does that make no sense for the Blues, but Miller will simply not return that much, period.

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11-18-2013, 01:13 PM
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How about this?


Jaskin
Berglund
Halek
2015 1st


Miller 50% retained
Moulson
Grigorenko

After I wrote this, I'm not liking the sound of it.


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11-18-2013, 01:14 PM
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Sabres reject. No need for defense prospects
I'm curious to see what happens when Miller eventually leaves? You guys should get something for him at some point.

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As far as some of these proposals go.....holy shart! Are we seriously talking about sending a starting goalie, a 1st, a 2nd and Jaskin/Rattie?!?!?!?!? Seriously if were getting Lundqvist, sure but not for 5 months of Miller. I really like Miller and think a deal could be worked out but some of these proposals are too much.

Really it would be a choice between Jaskin\Rattie and a 1st but NOT BOTH.

Halak-1st-Blues 2nd or
Halak-Rattie/Jaskin-Blues 2nd for Miller and 50% salary retained. It's the only way the Blues can get his salary to fit under the cap.

Then Buffalo can do whatever they want with Halak, maybe get someone to trade for him with another high pick.

Or go for broke and trade Halak and Stewart/Berglund and 2nd for Miller 50% salary and Hodgson?

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11-18-2013, 01:16 PM
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11-18-2013, 01:18 PM
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Berglund will not be included with Halak for Miller. Not only does that make no sense for the Blues, but Miller will simply not return that much, period.
The most obvious want for the Blues is a 1st-line center. Then they would be all set.

Having said that, I don't see it happening. Teams do not give them away.

Therefore you are left with upgrading whatever areas of the roster can still be upgraded. Hence the upgrade from Halak to Miller.

I've been underwhelmed by Berglund. It looks like Schwartz and Tarasenko are playing out there with an uninvolved centerman. The way to upgrade Berglund is through two separate transactions. One that trades him, the other that replaces him.

Towards that end, I wouldn't want to include the high draft picks and prospects going to Buffalo to get Miller. I would use the high draft picks and prospects to get a center that's better than Berglund.

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The premise of Halak plus (something) for Miller with 50% of his salary retained seems solid enough. It's the debate over what that "something" is.

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What Buffalo would aim for - Miller (up to 50% salary retained) for Halak and Jaskin.

What Buffalo might have to settle for - Miller (salary retained) for Halak and St.L's 1st and 2nd...possibly the Edm pick instead of StL's 2nd.

I doubt it happens, but if St.L wants more scoring and a Miller+Moulson deal is discussed, wouldn't Roy be a perfect cap dump to make it happen? As far as I've seen, Roy has been much less effective than his 4 mil salary.

The details can be debated, but there is a deal to be made. Certainly Miller is a good enough upgrade to put St.L into Cup contention. If it were the other way around and my team needed a goalie, I wouldn't think twice about losing one prospect or two draft picks to solidify the roster for the best Cup run my team could expect in two-plus decades.

BTW, I like both Miller and St.L, and I think it makes perfect sense for him to go there, and re-sign long-term.

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11-18-2013, 02:02 PM
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We don't need to have much salary retained if this is done at the deadline. If people think that is how they will get a top prospect in return, they are wrong.

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11-18-2013, 02:02 PM
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What Buffalo would aim for - Miller (up to 50% salary retained) for Halak and Jaskin.

What Buffalo might have to settle for - Miller (salary retained) for Halak and St.L's 1st and 2nd...possibly the Edm pick instead of StL's 2nd.

I doubt it happens, but if St.L wants more scoring and a Miller+Moulson deal is discussed, wouldn't Roy be a perfect cap dump to make it happen? As far as I've seen, Roy has been much less effective than his 4 mil salary.

The details can be debated, but there is a deal to be made. Certainly Miller is a good enough upgrade to put St.L into Cup contention. If it were the other way around and my team needed a goalie, I wouldn't think twice about losing one prospect or two draft picks to solidify the roster for the best Cup run my team could expect in two-plus decades.

BTW, I like both Miller and St.L, and I think it makes perfect sense for him to go there, and re-sign long-term.

So are you proposing something along the lines of:

To STL: Miller at 50% + Moulson

To BUF: Halak + Roy + 1st +2nd ?

I would be up for this

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11-18-2013, 02:05 PM
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Perhaps something more along the lines of:

Miller

for

Jaroslav Halak
William Carrier (LW, 57th overall in 2013)
Sam Kurker (RW, 56th overall in 2012, looks like a bottom-6 winger playing at BU)
EDM 2014 2nd (should be 31-35) [Conditional: If STL wins one playoff series, it becomes their 1st]

Sabres fans will complain because they get neither a guaranteed 1st nor one of Rattie/Jaskin. Blues fans may complain they're giving up too many pieces. If everyone is complaining, it may make sense.

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11-18-2013, 02:06 PM
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So are you proposing something along the lines of:

To STL: Miller at 50% + Moulson

To BUF: Halak + Roy + 1st +2nd ?

I would be up for this
You don't know the pandora's box you just opened. Prepare for theatrics.

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11-18-2013, 02:07 PM
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Perhaps something more along the lines of:

Miller

for

Jaroslav Halak
William Carrier (LW, 57th overall in 2013)
Sam Kurker (RW, 56th overall in 2012)
EDM 2014 2nd (should be 31-35) [Conditional: If STL wins one playoff series, it becomes their 1st]

Sabres fans will complain because they get neither a guaranteed 1st nor one of Rattie/Jaskin. Blues fans may complain they're giving up too many pieces. If everyone is complaining, it may make sense.
I'd probably do it.

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11-18-2013, 02:08 PM
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You don't know the pandora's box you just opened. Prepare for theatrics.
Haha I'm not trying to start anything! The poster I quoted brought up Roy

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Perhaps something more along the lines of:

Miller

for

Jaroslav Halak
William Carrier (LW, 57th overall in 2013)
Sam Kurker (RW, 56th overall in 2012, looks like a bottom-6 winger playing at BU)
EDM 2014 2nd (should be 31-35) [Conditional: If STL wins one playoff series, it becomes their 1st]

Sabres fans will complain because they get neither a guaranteed 1st nor one of Rattie/Jaskin. Blues fans may complain they're giving up too many pieces. If everyone is complaining, it may make sense.
Take out Carrier and change the EDM 2nd to our 1st.

If we can find a different trade partner for Halak, then we can move him for whatever, probably a 2nd or something. Our offer for Miller would be 1st+Kurker+3rd/equivalent prospect.

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11-18-2013, 02:15 PM
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Another reason why we don't need salary retained is that it is very possible that Roy won't be on our team after the deadline. We have our deadline cap space, plus potentially having Halak and Roy off the team for say Miller and a forward upgrade.

If we didn't have salary retained for Bouwmeester, we won't need it for Miller.

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11-18-2013, 02:23 PM
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Halak and a 2nd for Miller, who's a 33 year old UFA goalie. any talk of a first round pick or high end prospect is a non-starter.

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Halak and a 2nd for Miller, who's a 33 year old UFA goalie. any talk of a first round pick or high end prospect is a non-starter.
Miller only moves for that package if no other serious suitor is out there, most likely.

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Besides us and the Ducks, who else would even be interested in moving a 1st?

Ducks have Gibson and Andersen, and we have Allen. Ducks and Blues are also solid enough in net currently to not need to make a deal.

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Besides us and the Ducks, who else would even be interested in moving a 1st?

Ducks have Gibson and Andersen, and we have Allen. Ducks and Blues are also solid enough in net currently to not need to make a deal.
There are two Eastern teams who could probably use Miller either immediately (Islanders) or heading into the playoffs (Penguins) as well.

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Haha I'm not trying to start anything! The poster I quoted brought up Roy
Not a pandora's box for me. I only suggested Roy as a cap dump if Moulson and Miller were being traded for a bigger return - ie Jaskin/Rattie + 1st + 2nd.

It would be funny for Roy to come back to Buffalo, but we all know he'd be gone in the summer as a pending UFA, and the theatrics would be minimized since Ruff is already gone.

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Halak and a 2nd for Miller, who's a 33 year old UFA goalie. any talk of a first round pick or high end prospect is a non-starter.
Lol, 33 year old goalie at the top of his game, which is around top 5 in the league and a big upgrade over your worst position on the roster. Yeah...solidifying a Cup worthy line-up is worth a 2nd rd pick at most...

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Lol, 33 year old goalie at the top of his game, which is around top 5 in the league and a big upgrade over your worst position on the roster. Yeah...solidifying a Cup worthy line-up is worth a 2nd rd pick at most...
Ryan Miller is no longer top five in the league. You aren't getting a king's ransom for Miller. If we trade for him, it'll be for something like Halak + 2nd + mid tier prospect like Kurker.

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