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Does Mike Richards make Team Canada?

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11-19-2013, 11:52 PM
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Does Mike Richards make Team Canada?

He's definitely on the bubble. That 4th line is up for grabs between Richards, Bergeron, Benn, Lucic and Ladd

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11-19-2013, 11:56 PM
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He's definitely on the bubble. That 4th line is up for grabs between Richards, Bergeron, Benn, Lucic and Ladd
Would probably take Bergeron and Benn before him but Lucic and Ladd after him. Based on basically personal opinion from watching him that he will play a 200 foot game when it matters and can be valuable in any role; I would like him there.

No clue if he makes it though.

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11-20-2013, 12:02 AM
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I think so.

Having a good year,.proven winner... great option for 4th line

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He definitely should. The guy is a born winner that can perform in intense pressure-packed situations. His compete level is just too strong to leave off.

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11-20-2013, 12:08 AM
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At the very least he should make it as a reserve. Really hope he makes it on that fourth line.

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11-20-2013, 12:12 AM
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Would probably take Bergeron and Benn before him but Lucic and Ladd after him. Based on basically personal opinion from watching him that he will play a 200 foot game when it matters and can be valuable in any role; I would like him there.

No clue if he makes it though.
I agree with this.

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11-20-2013, 12:14 AM
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No, there are better options.

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He should.

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11-20-2013, 02:11 AM
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I'd like to see him make it. I'd put Bergeron and Mike Richards both on the 4th line, not sure who to put with them, but those two would be an incredible shutdown tandem.

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11-20-2013, 02:17 AM
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4th line easy

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11-20-2013, 03:23 AM
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Voted yes, but that's more of me hoping he'll make it than thinking he'll make it.

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11-20-2013, 03:29 AM
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He should. He can play in every situation.

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11-20-2013, 08:47 AM
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Yeah, more than likely as a defensive extra though.

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11-20-2013, 09:06 AM
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Yes. He can fit in literally anywhere in the forward group and provide any role.

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11-20-2013, 10:03 AM
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I suppose so. I wouldn't be at all surprised or disappointed if he didn't make it though.

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11-20-2013, 10:29 AM
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I've seen a few people say yes because he's a "winner". Can someone explain that to me? Do pucks fly past goalies when he's around because he has intangible winning skills? Does he prevent scoring chances against from the bench because he's a 'proven winner'?

If Mike Richards had an identical twin who was equally skilled in all aspects of hockey but didn't have the whatever it is that makes a player a "winner".. Would the original Richards be more valuable? If his team DOESN'T win, does that create some sort of hole in space-time?

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11-20-2013, 10:40 AM
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I've seen a few people say yes because he's a "winner". Can someone explain that to me? Do pucks fly past goalies when he's around because he has intangible winning skills? Does he prevent scoring chances against from the bench because he's a 'proven winner'?

If Mike Richards had an identical twin who was equally skilled in all aspects of hockey but didn't have the whatever it is that makes a player a "winner".. Would the original Richards be more valuable? If his team DOESN'T win, does that create some sort of hole in space-time?
I think that "he's a winner" is basically the nostalgiac way of saying "he'll do whatever it takes to win". So the answer to your question is yes. This Richards would be better than Richards .50.

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11-20-2013, 11:31 AM
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I've seen a few people say yes because he's a "winner". Can someone explain that to me? Do pucks fly past goalies when he's around because he has intangible winning skills? Does he prevent scoring chances against from the bench because he's a 'proven winner'?

If Mike Richards had an identical twin who was equally skilled in all aspects of hockey but didn't have the whatever it is that makes a player a "winner".. Would the original Richards be more valuable? If his team DOESN'T win, does that create some sort of hole in space-time?
I can't phantom how the Flyers could lose to Chicago in 2010 with both Richards and Pronger on the same team, two "proven winners" against only one Toews. It does not compute.

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11-20-2013, 11:32 AM
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I've seen a few people say yes because he's a "winner". Can someone explain that to me? Do pucks fly past goalies when he's around because he has intangible winning skills? Does he prevent scoring chances against from the bench because he's a 'proven winner'?

If Mike Richards had an identical twin who was equally skilled in all aspects of hockey but didn't have the whatever it is that makes a player a "winner".. Would the original Richards be more valuable? If his team DOESN'T win, does that create some sort of hole in space-time?
He has a great hockey IQ, is average to better in every facet of the game, will play with the energy of a grinder but with much more skill and vision, is loved by his teammates everywhere, excels under pressure (inb4 number-crunchers pretending it doesn't exist), has won at every level while being an impact player for those teams, is vocal and leads both by example and by motivating his teammates, understands the "nature" of the game and how a big hit, a fight, a huge block can impact the flow of the game, will stick up for his teammates, will agitate the opposition, constantly talks to linemates on the bench, is capable of influencing the group dynamic by setting the right example and being a natural leader people look up to and follow. I'm sorry if your advanced stats ears bleed reading that.

The reality is players like Mike Richards are invaluable and their value will never be accurately represented by numbers no matter how advanced they are. Mike Richards instantly legitimized the Kings and was probably the biggest reason why the Kings advanced against Vancouver and started to think of themselves as Cup contenders, it was precisely the reason why Dean Lombardi got him.

A lot of numbers guys have an ideological crusade against the Richards types because they refuse to believe there is something that can't be shown with math and statistics. I'm sceptical of people who say you should always believe "hockey professionals" but undoubtedly in this case, the "hockey people's" opinion on Richards is the truth, you see it by watching the game, and even more so I imagine by being ice-level and privy to locker room and bench dynamics. That's what a lot of the stats community refuses to believe and instead they shout "Your eyes are deceiving you, here let me show you these numbers that say this and that..." Unfortunately they are wrong, but the kind of fanatical devotion is still useful for the progress of analytics through numbers, nonetheless it's always going to be a tool in the belt and never the one and only factor in the decision-making process precisely because of players like Mike Richards.

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I can't phantom how the Flyers could lose to Chicago in 2010 with both Richards and Pronger on the same team, two "proven winners" against only one Toews. It does not compute.
Tavares isn't Mr. Intangibles for nothing

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11-20-2013, 12:16 PM
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Hard to leave him off but you could make that case for many Canadian forwards.

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11-20-2013, 12:22 PM
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He should but it's a close call.

He's having a good year which will really help.

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He has a great hockey IQ, is average to better in every facet of the game, will play with the energy of a grinder but with much more skill and vision, is loved by his teammates everywhere, excels under pressure (inb4 number-crunchers pretending it doesn't exist), has won at every level while being an impact player for those teams, is vocal and leads both by example and by motivating his teammates, understands the "nature" of the game and how a big hit, a fight, a huge block can impact the flow of the game, will stick up for his teammates, will agitate the opposition, constantly talks to linemates on the bench, is capable of influencing the group dynamic by setting the right example and being a natural leader people look up to and follow. I'm sorry if your advanced stats ears bleed reading that.

The reality is players like Mike Richards are invaluable and their value will never be accurately represented by numbers no matter how advanced they are. Mike Richards instantly legitimized the Kings and was probably the biggest reason why the Kings advanced against Vancouver and started to think of themselves as Cup contenders, it was precisely the reason why Dean Lombardi got him.

A lot of numbers guys have an ideological crusade against the Richards types because they refuse to believe there is something that can't be shown with math and statistics. I'm sceptical of people who say you should always believe "hockey professionals" but undoubtedly in this case, the "hockey people's" opinion on Richards is the truth, you see it by watching the game, and even more so I imagine by being ice-level and privy to locker room and bench dynamics. That's what a lot of the stats community refuses to believe and instead they shout "Your eyes are deceiving you, here let me show you these numbers that say this and that..." Unfortunately they are wrong, but the kind of fanatical devotion is still useful for the progress of analytics through numbers, nonetheless it's always going to be a tool in the belt and never the one and only factor in the decision-making process precisely because of players like Mike Richards.
Great post. Richards truly is a special player

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11-20-2013, 12:53 PM
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Personally I would love to see a 4th line of Richards Bergeron and Toews. Elite defensive forwards who are all still well above average offensively

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11-20-2013, 01:01 PM
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As I said in another thread, he is 18th in Canadian scoring. There are certainly players (ahem, Spezza) who his overall game far surpasses. So the chances of making the Canadian team are pretty damn high.

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