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10-14-2015, 01:48 PM
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2016-17 roster and salary cap discussion

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/philadelphia-flyers

The 15-16 salary cap is $71.4 million, and I expect the 16-17 cap to be maybe another million more. So here's my first stab this season at predicting a 22 man roster for opening night 2016. Streit is traded at the deadline, Vinny is bought out, and I left Leier in the AHL since he can he called up at anytime to fill in on the 3rd or 4th lines. Cousins will not be waiver exempt after 15-16, so he's on the team.

Giroux ~ 8.275
Voracek ~ 8.25
MacDonald ~ 5
Medvedev ~ 4
Umberger ~ 4.6
Mason ~ 4.1
Couturier ~ 4.33
BSchenn ~ 4
Simmonds ~ 3.975
MDZ ~ 3.875
Read ~ 3.625
Raffl ~ 3
Lecavalier buyout ~ 2.916

Schultz ~ 2.25
Neuvirth ~ 1.625
Gudas ~ 1.5
Cousins ~ 1
White ~ 1

Provorov ~ 0.925
Gostisbehere ~ 0.863
Laughton ~ 0.863
VandeVelde ~ 0.7125
Bellemare ~ 0.7125
TOTAL 71.397

Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
BSchenn-Couturier-Simmonds
Read-Laughton-Umberger
VandeVelde-Bellemare-White
Cousins

Del Zotto-Schultz
Provorov-Medvedev
MacDonald-Gudas/Gostisbehere

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10-14-2015, 03:24 PM
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As much as a i like players like read and white and others i see next summer and this trade deadline being pivotal in Hextalls master plan. He is going to be make so major lineup changes. He will put a strong focus on LW as we dont have a #1 or really much on the depth chart. With players like Striet, L.Schenn, Umberger, Read, Gagner, he can pile up picks and potentially get a top 9 LW in the process.

Players like Kone, Provorov, Ghost, Hagg, Lier and Cousins i think will be incorporated into the lineup.

XXX - G - Jake
Schenn - Coots - Kone
Raffl - Laughton - Simmonds
Lier - Cousins - Belly

Medvedev - Provorov
Ghost - Hagg
MDZ - Gudas
Shultz

Will they compete? Not sure but after 2 years of virtually the same lineup, Hextall and his patients can only go so far before he works a major shake up

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I don't know man.. I don't think Schenn will get less than Couturier (of course if he stays in Philly).

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I don't know man.. I don't think Schenn will get less than Couturier (of course if he stays in Philly).
It could be contentious, but I'm using what Johansson got in arbitration as a guide, which was one year at $3.75m after a 47 point season.

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10-14-2015, 08:18 PM
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I may be in the minority but believe Hextall will find a taker for Vinny next off season once the bonus is paid. A team trying to reach the cap floor may bite because the deal was front loaded. If he is bought out I calculated around 900k for 4 years.
Either way believe it is safe to say its VLs last year in orange.

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10-14-2015, 09:59 PM
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I guess it's possible, but if they retain 50% then the cap penalty becomes 2.25m which isn't much lower than a buyout.

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One good thing is with Streit, Read, & Umberger playing well it creates trade opportunities for Hextall to clear cap space & not come out on the losing end if he needs to.

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10-15-2015, 12:17 AM
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needs mote konecny... seriously he'll push for a spot

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I think Vinny is either gone in a buy out or he retires.
Stolarz will probably be the backup for Mason. Actually, looking at it, it's only if we do something with Neuvirth.
Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Ghost and Morin should all fight for a position on the team.
I fully expect most or all of the following players will be traded or not re-signed: Luke Schenn, Medvedev, Gudas and Manning.
Re-sign Raffl for about... 2M? 3M?
Let Gagner go.
Re-sign Brayden Schenn for maybe about 4M?
Bring up Cousins or Leier instead of re-signing White.
Streit, MDZ, Schultz, Sanheim, Morin, Ghost and Provorov all on the team as our defense. Maybe have Hagg fight for a spot over someone else too.
MacDonald stays down in the AHL or we somehow trade him for basically nothing or to a team that needs to have a cap hit like that (similar to how we traded Pronger).
Maybe have NAK or Martel fight for a spot on the team?

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I think Vinny is either gone in a buy out or he retires.
Stolarz will probably be the backup for Mason. Actually, looking at it, it's only if we do something with Neuvirth.
Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Ghost and Morin should all fight for a position on the team.
I fully expect most or all of the following players will be traded or not re-signed: Luke Schenn, Medvedev, Gudas and Manning.
Re-sign Raffl for about... 2M? 3M?
Let Gagner go.
Re-sign Brayden Schenn for maybe about 4M?
Bring up Cousins or Leier instead of re-signing White.
Streit, MDZ, Schultz, Sanheim, Morin, Ghost and Provorov all on the team as our defense. Maybe have Hagg fight for a spot over someone else too.
MacDonald stays down in the AHL or we somehow trade him for basically nothing or to a team that needs to have a cap hit like that (similar to how we traded Pronger).
Maybe have NAK or Martel fight for a spot on the team?
From what I heard about Martel, with his ability on the forecheck and speed, does anyone think he could complement Giroux and Voracek like Raffl does?

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I think Vinny is either gone in a buy out or he retires.
Stolarz will probably be the backup for Mason. Actually, looking at it, it's only if we do something with Neuvirth.
Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Ghost and Morin should all fight for a position on the team.
I fully expect most or all of the following players will be traded or not re-signed: Luke Schenn, Medvedev, Gudas and Manning.
Re-sign Raffl for about... 2M? 3M?
Let Gagner go.
Re-sign Brayden Schenn for maybe about 4M?
Bring up Cousins or Leier instead of re-signing White.
Streit, MDZ, Schultz, Sanheim, Morin, Ghost and Provorov all on the team as our defense. Maybe have Hagg fight for a spot over someone else too.
MacDonald stays down in the AHL or we somehow trade him for basically nothing or to a team that needs to have a cap hit like that (similar to how we traded Pronger).
Maybe have NAK or Martel fight for a spot on the team?
This here. I would like to keep Gudas and maybe MVD. We have so many defensive prospects though. They could be trade bait. I really think we just need a legit LW and were in contention next year. Bring up the young guns and don't sign any dumb contracts. Next year build chemistry and then were good to go. I wonder who is all on the block considering how many scouts have been at our last 2 games.

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Isn't this a tad bit premature? Given we've only played 4 games with a new coach, and it remains to be seen which players Hakstol and Hextall identify as the core of the team going forward (raise your hand if you thought Manning would make the final roster and actually start games).

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One good thing is with Streit, Read, & Umberger playing well it creates trade opportunities for Hextall to clear cap space & not come out on the losing end if he needs to.
Lets slow down, Umberger played 1 good game and got hurt in the 2nd and missed the 3rd and 4th.

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Stolarz hasn't even grabbed the starting job in the AHL yet. Highly unlikely he's the backup goalie of the Flyers next year.

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Lets slow down, Umberger played 1 good game and got hurt in the 2nd and missed the 3rd and 4th.
He played well in the preseason too. Obviously these guys need to hold up but the early signs are there.

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-Streit traded at deadline

Probably the last chance to get a nice return for him. Wouldn't be surprised if that glut of scouts at least nights game were looking at Streit as Hextall knows he has Gostisbehere and Provorov ready to take over for him as early as next season.

-Lecavalier is bought out
-Gagner leaves as UFA
-L. Schenn traded near deadline for conditional 3rd round pick
-B. Schenn re-signed, 2 years @ 3.875 per
-Raffl re-signed, 4 years @ 3.5 million per
-White re-signed, 2 years @ 1 million per
-Konecny makes team out of camp
-Provorov makes team out of camp
-Gostisbehere makes team after Streit moved at prior deadline
-Medvedev resigned 2 years @ 3.5 million per
-Gudas resigned 1 year @ 1.2 million per

Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Konecny - Couturier - Simmonds
Schenn - Laughton - Read
Umberger - Bellemare - White
Cousins

Del Zotto - Schultz (can he play the right?)
Provorov - Medvedev
Gostisbehere - Gudas
MacDonald


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-Streit traded at deadline

Probably the last chance to get a nice return for him. Wouldn't be surprised if that glut of scouts at least nights game were looking at Streit as Hextall knows he has Gostisbehere and Provorov ready to take over for him as early as next season.

-Lecavalier is bought out
-Gagner leaves as UFA
-L. Schenn traded near deadline for conditional 3rd round pick
-B. Schenn re-signed, 2 years @ 3.875
-Raffl re-signed, 4 years @ 3.5 million
-White re-signed, 2 years @ 2 million
-Konecny makes team out of camp
-Provorov makes team out of camp
-Gostisbehere makes team after Streit moved at prior deadline
-Medvedev resigned 2 years @ 3.5 million
-Gudas resigned 1 year @ 1.2 million

Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Konecny - Couturier - Simmonds
Schenn - Laughton - Read
Umberger - Bellemare - White
Cousins

Del Zotto - Schultz (can he play the right?)
Provorov - Medvedev
Gostisbehere - Gudas
MacDonald
I would like more year for Brayden.
I think thats too much for Raffl and White
I think id rather keep Streit unless someone wants to give us a first.
Id like to see more of Medvedev

Just some quick points, I do like the look of our lineup though.

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I don't think Raffl should get above 3m, he hasn't really shown anything promising other than his inability to score. Sure he works hard, hits, back checks but Giroux and Voracek can handle that. We need someone who can put the puck in the net consistently on that 1st line (Hartnell was a good fit, although he was mainly useless, at least he could stand in front and put some in). If only Simmonds could play LW or at even strength.

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I think three years at $3m is fair if gets around 30 points. With the LW prospects we have in the system I wouldn't want to spend more than that.

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I would like more year for Brayden.
I think thats too much for Raffl and White
I think id rather keep Streit unless someone wants to give us a first.
Id like to see more of Medvedev

Just some quick points, I do like the look of our lineup though.
Sorry that should have said 2 years, $1 million for White

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I don't think Raffl should get above 3m, he hasn't really shown anything promising other than his inability to score. Sure he works hard, hits, back checks but Giroux and Voracek can handle that. We need someone who can put the puck in the net consistently on that 1st line (Hartnell was a good fit, although he was mainly useless, at least he could stand in front and put some in). If only Simmonds could play LW or at even strength.
Lol, wtf?

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Sorry that should have said 2 years, $1 million for White
Ok, that makes more sense.

Schultz can play the right side. He played it last season whenever he was paired with MDZ or Grossmann.

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Lol, wtf?
19 ES goals last year.
But he can't score.

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It's important to trade away all the ES scorers so the Flyers become extremely easy to defeat and take away another means by which they can hurt you.

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Raffl needs to prove that last year wasn't a fluke on the goal scoring front, thus far he's not off to a hot start.

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No one on the team is off to a hot start, but the power move he made to create the 2nd goal against Chicago was impressive.

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