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07-25-2005, 05:50 PM
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My Prospect Projections

G Henrik Lundqvist - #1 goaltender with potential All-Star upside

D Fedor Tyutin - #2 defensive D-Man for the next decade

G Al Montoya - I'm not sure about him, I feel fortunate we have Lundqvist because unless Montoya is brought along slowly, I think he may bust.

F Hugh Jessiman - Won't be John LeClair-but won't be Wayne Primeau either. I think we're looking at a potential 2nd line winger with 25 goal upside.

F Lauri Korpikoski - 2nd line do-it-all forward who is a real hockey player - something we haven't had enough of lately. But he's 3 years away...

F Jozef Balej - I think this past season (particularly the 1st half) can be forgotten, I think Balej has more than a little of Kovalev in him, may frustrate but he's going to score in this league-I just hope its for us.

D Max Kondratiev - I'm not THAT high on him, I think he'll make for a very decent d-man

C Bruce Graham - Great draft pick for the spot (although we took Dane Byers first????? EXPLAIN...) Graham will play in this league with Jessiman.

F Nigel Dawes...my sleeper pick as the organization's top prospect, I think he's going to score - a LOT. I call him a "waterbug" - perfect for the west coast...lets hope he can do it here.

D Ivan Baranka...I don't think he'll work out.
F Petr Prucha...will go back home unless he succeeds in season 1
F Darin Olver...I don't see it coming together, Steven Rice.
D Bryce Lampman...#7 D-Man
D David Liffiton...3rd line d-man
F Alex Giroux...3rd line forward, I think he could score a dozen for us in 05-06
C Dominic Moore...fringe NHL'er could stick wiht intelligence and PK responsibility
F Brandon Dubinsky...he'll make it as a 3rd line agitator

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07-25-2005, 05:58 PM
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"D Ivan Baranka...I don't think he'll work out."

You can't be serious? I have him rated a lot higher then Kondratiev. I think he's a lock NHL defenseman. Lampman and Liffiton don't have near the talent of Baranka.

Olver is nothing like Rice. Rice was slow and had little offensive skill.

Dominic Moore is soft. I think Wiseman or Giroux will be much better.

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I feel guys like Dawes, Prucha and Balej are gonna flurish the most in the "new NHL." If it really is more wide open, those guys should be fun to watch.

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G Henrik Lundqvist - #1 goaltender with potential All-Star upside

D Fedor Tyutin - #2 defensive D-Man

G Al Montoya - Im not and never been high on him, I say NYR moves him as soon as they can to get draft picks or what ever . A most likely bust or just like a Jeff Hackett goalie.

F Hugh Jessiman - When he does get NHL time he will take a while to produce so people must be patient, an Eric daze type player will hit his prime at 27 or 28, IMO

F Lauri Korpikoski - 2nd line do-it-all forward , nothing special a Niklas Sundstrom/sami kapanen type plyer

F Jozef Balej - Never was high on him and seems to be very overrated, second line winger thats all a 50-60 point player tops, most likely a 20-25 goal player with as many assists.

D Max Kondratiev -Maybe like a Andrei markov type player, good solid defensively not an offensive upside a good 4/5 d-man Im more towards the #5 d-man.

C Bruce Graham - Great draft pick in general, will be an NHL'er, I hope will be a primeau type player if he gets an edge . Im high on this kid.

F Nigel Dawes...Will never get a true shot at real ice time and if he does will be expected to produce and if he dooesnt , say good bye.


D Ivan Baranka...Good #4 d-man or he will be the next Petr Smrek, never get a real NHL shot
F Petr Prucha...Try him with Jagr for a yearr or so.
F Darin Olver...????? Dont know much
D Bryce Lampman...#4/5 d-man will most likely be an NHL'er if not here somewhere else.
D David Liffiton...HMMM, I see a #4 or a #5 or a #6 d-man but will be an NHHL'er maybe a better Colin White or poor man Barret Jackman but will be very solid to have .
F Alex Giroux...3rd line forward, or second line I see him as a border line second who will be just a good hard nose defensive player with a decent upside, maybe si=milar to a Matt Cooke.
C Dominic Moore...I dont see him actually fitting anywhere, future Ahl'er or possible 4th liner maybe 3rd, JMO
F Brandon Dubinsky...he'll make it as a 3rd line agitator

 
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Pock

Sorry, I don't see too much of the ranger prospects out west. Where would you guys project Pock?
Will he be a PP dman on the team?
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I think Pock sucks.

I believe the little 10 game flirtation he had in the NHL was a fluke, I'd be surprised if he sticks as a regular in Hartford, let alone New York.

In my opinion he's a top 20 prospect (somewhere behind liffiton, but in front of guenin)

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You guys have it all wrong on Liffiton. He has a chance to become that stay at home d man with the mean streak we've been missing since Beukeboom. Keep in mind he's only 19 or just turning 20. Very early in his development still, and he did surprisingly well last season, though his game was erratic at times.

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"D Ivan Baranka...I don't think he'll work out."

Just out of curiosity, how many times have you seen Baranka play?

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G Henrik Lundqvist - #1 Goalie, could win the Vezna in the future.

D Fedor Tyutin - #2 defensive D-Man for the next decade

G Al Montoya - I dont know, Either Sean Burke or Corey Hirsh

F Hugh Jessiman - Either Brendan Shanahan or Jeff Toms

F Lauri Korpikoski - 2nd line do-it-all forward More Physical Less Skilled Jere Lehtinhen or Niklas Sundstrom.

F Jozef Balej - I see Kovalev or Brad Smyth

D Max Kondratiev - Danny Markov or Alex Karpovstev

C Bruce Graham - Keith Primeau or Jeff Toms


F Nigel Dawes... - Either Martin St. Louis or Brian Gionta

D Ivan Baranka.... - Petr Svoboda or Nolan Pratt


F Petr Prucha... I doubt it unless he plays in NHL
F Darin Olver.... Marc Savard or Sergei Zholtok
D Bryce Lampman... Sylvain Lefevbre or Richard Matvichuk
D David Liffiton... Cale Hulse or Colin White
F Alex Giroux... Randy McCay or Scott Thornton
C Dominic Moore... Wes Walz or Jim Dowd
F Brandon Dubinsky...Darcy Tucker or PJ Stock

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F Hugh Jessiman - Either Brendan Shanahan or Jeff Toms
you mean we could really have the next Jeff "Sniper" Toms on our hands??? we're set!!!


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Not bad at all. Cetp for the Baranka statment I think its pretty much what I would say.

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Predictions:

G Henrik Lundqvist - Top ten NHL goalie, among the quickest reflex goalies in the league.
D Fedor Tyutin - Will settle in as a top 4 tweener. Top pair on a bad team, 2nd pair on a good team. Will battle inconsistency occasionally, but pretty solid in general.
G Al Montoya - Will become an average starter, 1A type goalie. Will be traded from NYR before he hits his prime.
F Hugh Jessiman - Will struggle in the AHL and his first few year in the NHL. Will be traded and may or may not blossom after.
F Lauri Korpikoski - Top two line player, not elite. Crash and bang winger with the skill to play on the top line. Type of player every team wants to have. Think Mike Ryder with even more energy.
F Jozef Balej - Inconsistent 2nd line winger. Occasional flashes of Martin Havlat, but more often Val Bure.
D Max Kondratiev - Reminds me alot of Boris Mironov. Top four, but will battle inconsistency often.
C Bruce Graham - Bust. I don't think he has the skills and refuses to play a big man's game.
F Nigel Dawes - Will not be able to produce well at the NHL level. Elite AHLer with frequent, but not permanent call-ups.
D Ivan Baranka - Solid two-way, 2nd pair d-man.
F Petr Prucha - Won't stick in the NHL. Will spend his career in Extraliga.
F Darin Olver - Poor man's David Legwand. Will eventually settle in on the 2nd line.
D Bryce Lampman - Poor man's Richard Matvichuk. Best suited on the 3rd pair.
D David Liffiton - 2nd/3rd pair physical d-man. Think Bryce Salvador.
F Alex Giroux - Inconsistent 2nd/3rd line winger.
C Dominic Moore - Elite third liner. Flashes of Chris Drury, but usually settling in as a Jeff Halpern.
F Brandon Dubinsky - Quality 3rd line agitator. Mix between Erik Cole and Ronald Petrovicky.

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Predictions:

G Henrik Lundqvist - Top ten NHL goalie, among the quickest reflex goalies in the league.
D Fedor Tyutin - Will settle in as a top 4 tweener. Top pair on a bad team, 2nd pair on a good team. Will battle inconsistency occasionally, but pretty solid in general.
G Al Montoya - Will become an average starter, 1A type goalie. Will be traded from NYR before he hits his prime.
F Hugh Jessiman - Will struggle in the AHL and his first few year in the NHL. Will be traded and may or may not blossom after.
F Lauri Korpikoski - Top two line player, not elite. Crash and bang winger with the skill to play on the top line. Type of player every team wants to have. Think Mike Ryder with even more energy.
F Jozef Balej - Inconsistent 2nd line winger. Occasional flashes of Martin Havlat, but more often Val Bure.
D Max Kondratiev - Reminds me alot of Boris Mironov. Top four, but will battle inconsistency often.
C Bruce Graham - Bust. I don't think he has the skills and refuses to play a big man's game.
F Nigel Dawes - Will not be able to produce well at the NHL level. Elite AHLer with frequent, but not permanent call-ups.
D Ivan Baranka - Solid two-way, 2nd pair d-man.
F Petr Prucha - Won't stick in the NHL. Will spend his career in Extraliga.
F Darin Olver - Poor man's David Legwand. Will eventually settle in on the 2nd line.
D Bryce Lampman - Poor man's Richard Matvichuk. Best suited on the 3rd pair.
D David Liffiton - 2nd/3rd pair physical d-man. Think Bryce Salvador.
F Alex Giroux - Inconsistent 2nd/3rd line winger.
C Dominic Moore - Elite third liner. Flashes of Chris Drury, but usually settling in as a Jeff Halpern.
F Brandon Dubinsky - Quality 3rd line agitator. Mix between Erik Cole and Ronald Petrovicky.
someone's a pessimist.

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NYR Prospects Potential...

In your opinion what is some of our prospects, max potential, minimum outcome, and likely outcome. Use comparative players and description.
Ex: Jozef Balej

Max: Pavol Demita- 1st line RW

Min: Jan Hlavac in Carolina

Likely: Radek Dvorak- top 6 winger.

Lundqvist

Max: Superstar goalie- Roberto Luongo type- fast reflexes, quick, great vision

Min: Mikael Tellqvist- Once thought of as solid prospect, career backup or eliteleague

Likely: I see a Marc Denis type player, usually solid. Has his bad days.

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I think Pock sucks.

I believe the little 10 game flirtation he had in the NHL was a fluke, I'd be surprised if he sticks as a regular in Hartford, let alone New York.

In my opinion he's a top 20 prospect (somewhere behind liffiton, but in front of guenin)
Although from what I hear Pock had to work a little on his backskating and lateral
movement--from what I've seen he's much better than Purinton. Pock actually has a good stride. He skates well. He had a disappointing season. It was marred by
injuries but he never seemed to find his groove. If nothing else he could always be moved back to forward so I'm far from giving up on him.

On Psurny I expect he'll be back in Medicine Hat and hopefully he'll be one of their
leaders. I thought he had a very good season but I think he'll need to improve on
it this year.

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LoL, I was about to say he was being too OPTOMISTIC.

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And on Baranka. Last I knew he still had some filling out to do. He should get plenty
of ice time in Hartford this year. He's the leading incoming D having turned pro. He
seems very coachable--and with a good attitude. He'll probably not put up a lot of
offense although I hear he's got a big shot. A paralell might be Norstrom. I think that's his highest upside. I think he's one of the better bets among Rangers prospects to make the big time and stay there.

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ok, i was just wondering if there was something you saw in particular that led you to make that statement...i've seen him plenty and he's done nothing but rise on my charts.

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As no-one has said anything about Immonen (or I am going blind) and he being my buddy and all...

Immonen has the potential to be an offensive line playmaker with great vision who plays consistently and can also score. Not the most physical player but not so soft either.

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Not really. I think I have the highest opinion of Dom Moore of anyone here. I'm just being a realist though. Not all of these guys are gonna pan out. It would be foolish to think that each one will max out their potential.

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As no-one has said anything about Immonen (or I am going blind) and he being my buddy and all...

Immonen has the potential to be an offensive line playmaker with great vision who plays consistently and can also score. Not the most physical player but not so soft either.
As for Immonen, I have a gut feeling that his game will not translate that well. Honestly, I think he'll bounce around the NHL for a bit, but will return to Finland within 5 seasons.

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As for Immonen, I have a gut feeling that his game will not translate that well. Honestly, I think he'll bounce around the NHL for a bit, but will return to Finland within 5 seasons.
That is certainly a possibility. There's no guarantee that he'll adjust to North American style of hockey and the smaller rink.


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That is certainly is possibility. There's no guarantee that he'll adjust to North American style of hockey and the smaller rink.
Yet my buddy from Sweden has seen him play and believes he will be successful. He believes great potential and sure fire bet to make Ranger team. Why such a difference in opinion?

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