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11-25-2013, 09:38 AM
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Also Stepan is a first liner. He sure as hell played like one last season.

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11-25-2013, 09:38 AM
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You either luck out with 1st liners or you bottom out and get them. Rangers haven't bottomed out.


I think it has a little bit to do with the scouting

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Also Stepan is a first liner. He sure as hell played like one last season.


Where is he this season?

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I think it has a little bit to do with the scouting

I'm not saying they are perfect but they've done well.

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Where is he this season?

Playing OK. Small sample size. Missed all of pre-season. He'll be fine.

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I'm not saying they are perfect but they've done well.


I agree. We have plenty of good young players, all i'm saying is we lack the young scorer we need

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11-25-2013, 09:42 AM
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Playing OK. Small sample size. Missed all of pre-season. He'll be fine.


i hope so. he is a huge part of the team

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11-25-2013, 09:44 AM
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The scouting can be better. We draft alot of 2-3rd line players and some of them are gone for nothing thanks to Sather. what 1st liners have we really drafted?
Please point out what other teams are better than the Rangers and where they selected the players who define as better were drafted.

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I agree. We have plenty of good young players, all i'm saying is we lack the young scorer we need
It's because the Rangers stress 2-way play and effort. Kreider is going to be a big time scorer. Hagelin is going to put up 20+ goals. Callahan. Korpikoski put up 20 goals. Dubinsky. Anisimov.

Miller looks to be a good pick. Nieves?

Fast was drafted. They acquired Lindberg and Kristo for Thomas and Werek. Do they count? Kristo looks like an offensive dynamo.

McDonagh was singled out as a player they wanted. Does he count? That's the scouting staff. Girardi went undrafted and signed with the Rangers. Staal, MDZ, Tyutin and they signed Stralman as a UFA when no one wanted him. All scouting.

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Please point out what other teams are better than the Rangers and where they selected the players who define as better were drafted.


I'm at work but i'll give you one team. Boston gets by in the draft without drafting high

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It's because the Rangers stress 2-way play and effort. Kreider is going to be a big time scorer. Hagelin is going to put up 20+ goals. Callahan. Korpikoski put up 20 goals. Dubinsky. Anisimov.

Miller looks to be a good pick. Nieves?

Fast was drafted. They acquired Lindberg and Kristo for Thomas and Werek. Do they count? Kristo looks like an offensive dynamo.

McDonagh was singled out as a player they wanted. Does he count? That's the scouting staff. Girardi went undrafted and signed with the Rangers. Staal, MDZ, Tyutin and they signed Stralman as a UFA when no one wanted him. All scouting.


good points. How about our drafts? And how do you Kreider will be a big time scorer?

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I'm at work but i'll give you one team. Boston gets by in the draft without drafting high
Marchand, Lucic, Bergeron, Kreijci, Boychuk (not drafted by them), McQuaid. Krug was a UFA.

Who esle?

Chara was a UFA. Eriksson was acquired for the #2 overall pick. Rask was axquired. Kelly was acquired. Thornton, Paille and Campbell all acquired one way or another. Reilly was acquired. Seidenberg was acquired.

Drafting?

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good points. How about our drafts? And how do you Kreider will be a big time scorer?
I just labeled out who they drafted. Because I have watched him since he was drafted.

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Kreider is still a ? in a way. We don't have a young SCORING forward is what i'm saying
And that would be Tarasenko?

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People here wanted Stepan traded for Jokinen and they want DZ gone for a bag of pucks. Lol

we have great kids i agree. But no young kid who is supposed to be a goal scorer. Screw Tarasenko, we are always trying to trade our prospects for other teams projects and its a revolving door. if the drafting was a bit better, we would be in a better situation.
I don't care what people here think. We've drafted well above average.

3 of our top-5 goal scoring forwards last year are players we drafted. Kreider was lauded for his goal scoring abilities. He's been snake-bitten, but he's created plenty of chances this season. Christian Thomas was a pure goal scorer that we traded for a better goal scorer in Kristo.

No team hits home runs in every draft. While Dallas has done great with scoring forwards, they've been completely inept when it comes to just about every other position. Philly has been in the same situation, as have many others.

Like I said -- and you agreed above -- this boils down to nitpicking that we haven't drafted some elite scorer. Those players are few and far between. Would I like to have a kid with 12 goals under his belt this season? Sure, but I'm not going to slight the other quality drafting we've done because of it.

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Assuming that the idea that speed and skill is paying off, there still a huge hole when it comes to tough, aggressive bottom six players. You need those guys too. And in a cap world, you can't keep a revolving door of UFAs in the bottom six.


Since the first lockout, this GM has spent $32.275M on bottom six, place-holder, gap-fillers in Arron Asham, Mike Rupp, Donald Brashear, Derek Boogaard, Benoit Pouliot, Taylor Pyatt, Dominic Moore, Ruslan Fedotenko, Jason Ward, Ville Nieminen, Aaron Voros and Patrick Rissmiller. This kind of players—hardly extraordinary ones—need to be filled by younger, cheaper and hungrier options.

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Assuming that the idea that speed and skill is paying off, there still a huge hole when it comes to tough, aggressive bottom six players. You need those guys too. And in a cap world, you can't keep a revolving door of UFAs in the bottom six.


Since the first lockout, this GM has spent $32.275M on bottom six, place-holder, gap-fillers in Arron Asham, Mike Rupp, Donald Brashear, Derek Boogaard, Benoit Pouliot, Taylor Pyatt, Dominic Moore, Ruslan Fedotenko, Jason Ward, Ville Nieminen, Aaron Voros and Patrick Rissmiller. This kind of players—hardly extraordinary ones—need to be filled by younger, cheaper and hungrier options.
If you're going to gripe about drafting, that's where I'd start as well. $32M is mindblowing.

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If you're going to gripe about drafting, that's where I'd start as well. $32M is mindblowing.
It's even more mind-blowing when you look at how little they got out of those guys.

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Assuming that the idea that speed and skill is paying off, there still a huge hole when it comes to tough, aggressive bottom six players. You need those guys too. And in a cap world, you can't keep a revolving door of UFAs in the bottom six.


Since the first lockout, this GM has spent $32.275M on bottom six, place-holder, gap-fillers in Arron Asham, Mike Rupp, Donald Brashear, Derek Boogaard, Benoit Pouliot, Taylor Pyatt, Dominic Moore, Ruslan Fedotenko, Jason Ward, Ville Nieminen, Aaron Voros and Patrick Rissmiller. This kind of players—hardly extraordinary ones—need to be filled by younger, cheaper and hungrier options.
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If you're going to gripe about drafting, that's where I'd start as well. $32M is mindblowing.
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It's even more mind-blowing when you look at how little they got out of those guys.
This should be enough to start its own thread. It's mind-boggling.

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I don't care what people here think. We've drafted well above average.

3 of our top-5 goal scoring forwards last year are players we drafted. Kreider was lauded for his goal scoring abilities. He's been snake-bitten, but he's created plenty of chances this season. Christian Thomas was a pure goal scorer that we traded for a better goal scorer in Kristo.

No team hits home runs in every draft. While Dallas has done great with scoring forwards, they've been completely inept when it comes to just about every other position. Philly has been in the same situation, as have many others.

Like I said -- and you agreed above -- this boils down to nitpicking that we haven't drafted some elite scorer. Those players are few and far between. Would I like to have a kid with 12 goals under his belt this season? Sure, but I'm not going to slight the other quality drafting we've done because of it.


I agree with this. We did draft/scout pretty good in alot of positions over the years. We have a great young defense and some pretty decent forwards. I didnt look at it like that. I guess i'm a little annoyed about the offense lately but good points dude

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I don't care what people here think. We've drafted well above average.

3 of our top-5 goal scoring forwards last year are players we drafted. Kreider was lauded for his goal scoring abilities. He's been snake-bitten, but he's created plenty of chances this season. Christian Thomas was a pure goal scorer that we traded for a better goal scorer in Kristo.

No team hits home runs in every draft. While Dallas has done great with scoring forwards, they've been completely inept when it comes to just about every other position. Philly has been in the same situation, as have many others.

Like I said -- and you agreed above -- this boils down to nitpicking that we haven't drafted some elite scorer. Those players are few and far between. Would I like to have a kid with 12 goals under his belt this season? Sure, but I'm not going to slight the other quality drafting we've done because of it.
Why does no one realize that? No team just drafts winners at every position. It's absolutely unheard of in the modern NHL. Arguably the most complete team in the NHL didn't draft half their roster (Chicago drafted Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Keith, Kane, Shaw, and Toews) two of those were can't miss top 3 picks. Boston's entire defense core minus Boychuk they didn't draft.

The Detroit Red Wings/New Jersey Devils draft records aren't a thing anymore. No team consistently hits homeruns. The Jamie Benn's of the prospect world are dying off in that every league is now more heavily scouted than ever.

I don't care what anyone says, this team has done great drafting wise.

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Assuming that the idea that speed and skill is paying off, there still a huge hole when it comes to tough, aggressive bottom six players. You need those guys too. And in a cap world, you can't keep a revolving door of UFAs in the bottom six.


Since the first lockout, this GM has spent $32.275M on bottom six, place-holder, gap-fillers in Arron Asham, Mike Rupp, Donald Brashear, Derek Boogaard, Benoit Pouliot, Taylor Pyatt, Dominic Moore, Ruslan Fedotenko, Jason Ward, Ville Nieminen, Aaron Voros and Patrick Rissmiller. This kind of players—hardly extraordinary ones—need to be filled by younger, cheaper and hungrier options.


We HAD bottom 6 players and Sather let them go. Horak, Korpikoski, even Dubinsky and AA but those two were moved for good reasons. Tom Pyatt, Dale Weise. these are bottom 6 guys who were on cheap contracts. i'll take Korkiposki and Weise over Pyatt and Pouliot

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Pick happened in 2010. It's almost 2014. Enough.
And McIlrath hasnt played 1 NHL game as a top 10 pick. Until he does, people will ***** about it. Thats just the way it is.

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The one thing that pisses me off about the McIlrath pick was that we could've traded down to get him, no reason to draft him 10th overall. Other than that, there's nothing to ***** about. He'd most likely be in the NHL right now if he didn't blow out his knee a few years ago.

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The one thing that pisses me off about the McIlrath pick was that we could've traded down to get him, no reason to draft him 10th overall. Other than that, there's nothing to ***** about. He'd most likely be in the NHL right now if he didn't blow out his knee a few years ago.


Thats my only problem. I think 10 was too early

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