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11-24-2013, 11:49 AM
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Liles is a good dman.
Liles is above average puckmover, he's not good dman. He's third pairing guy.

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11-24-2013, 11:51 AM
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I could get behind Gleason acquisition. He's better than Fraser and as has been mentioned would make a pretty ideal partner for Rielly moving forwards.

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11-24-2013, 11:52 AM
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Some Canes fans are happy with the deal. If JR puts Gleason out there, I'd assume he could get a better offer than a guy that passed through waivers not too long ago.
Well you have to think about this though. Liles would come at his full 3.875 with no cap going the other way. Gleason and his 4 or so million would be going away in this trade. I'm sure if Carolina had the flexibility, they would have claimed him, but they didn't, so they're going to have to move away some cap.

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11-24-2013, 11:53 AM
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Well if they had cap they might have picked him up through waivers. I won't be sure though what the real offer would be. It won't be a huge+ from us if Canes wants Liles a decent prospect or late pick can be added for sweetener. Who knows, right?
Liles and Ashton for Gleason would be fair.

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11-24-2013, 11:55 AM
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Liles and Ashton for Gleason would be fair.
More or less it would be something like that. Not a bad proposal though.

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More or less it would be something like that. Not a bad proposal though.
Would you think trading Gunnarsson and Kulemin in a separate deal for a good RHD would be another thing Toronto should consider?

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11-24-2013, 11:58 AM
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Liles and Ashton for Gleason would be fair.
I was thinking Liles and Ashton for Gleason and 3rd - 5th round pick - probably a 5th though.

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11-24-2013, 12:01 PM
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Would you think trading Gunnarsson and Kulemin in a separate deal for a good RHD would be another thing Toronto should consider?
No, those two are much too important to the team moving forwards, so unless we're acquiring Girardi or something comparable (ie upgrade to the first pair) I don't see these guys being moved.

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11-24-2013, 12:02 PM
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I was thinking Liles and Ashton for Gleason and 3rd - 5th round pick - probably a 5th though.
I probably wouldn't include the pick. To be fair Gleason>Liles and Ashton isn't our best prospect, he probably won't ever make the club due to his inconsistency, so the best we may get is a 5th, and that would be a steal. I'd be happy with a 7th

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11-24-2013, 12:02 PM
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Would you think trading Gunnarsson and Kulemin in a separate deal for a good RHD would be another thing Toronto should consider?
Kulemin can be traded but I highly doubt it. Gunnarson is not moving, we have lots of pieces to move before he has to be gone. Don't forget our strong prospect pool can be flipped for 1 on 1 LHD for RHD. Nashville and Jets are 2 teams with abundance of RHDs and lack LHDs.

I wonder if any of them would be traded though.

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LOL, this guy passed through waivers and is on a ridiculous contract, and you think your gonna trade him for Gleason?

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No, those two are much too important to the team moving forwards, so unless we're acquiring Girardi or something comparable (ie upgrade to the first pair) I don't see these guys being moved.
What about Niskanen and a possible 1st?

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LOL, this guy passed through waivers and is on a ridiculous contract, and you think your gonna trade him for Gleason?
Yes.

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11-24-2013, 12:08 PM
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Kulemin can be traded but I highly doubt it. Gunnarson is not moving, we have lots of pieces to move before he has to be gone. Don't forget our strong prospect pool can be flipped for 1 on 1 LHD for RHD. Nashville and Jets are 2 teams with abundance of RHDs and lack LHDs.

I wonder if any of them would be traded though.
Well I'm just thinking, if we acquired a RHD, where would Gunnarsson fit? Especially if we acquired Gleason, he'd be under utilized.

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What about Niskanen and a possible 1st?
Niskanen is not better than Gunnar so no.

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Yes.
Liles has negative value, this is awful for Carolina, he can move the puck but he's not a good dman

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LOL, this guy passed through waivers and is on a ridiculous contract, and you think your gonna trade him for Gleason?
Yes because Gleason's value is also low and carries a large cap hit. Just an exchange of players to better suit each teams needs...

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Liles has negative value, this is awful for Carolina, he can move the puck but he's not a good dman
Do you realize that Gleason's cap hit is 4 million for the next 3 years? Still think it's off base?

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11-24-2013, 12:15 PM
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Well I'm just thinking, if we acquired a RHD, where would Gunnarsson fit? Especially if we acquired Gleason, he'd be under utilized.
He will play where he is playing right now. It will only change the roles of Fraser, Ranger and Rielly. According to many fans Ranger would be sent down and Rielly would play on a regular basis. I think Fraser will get his share based on what team we are facing.

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Liles and Ashton for Gleason would be fair.

Liles when healthy and he looks healthy is a good defenseman, a guy who is capable at both ends of the ice and is smart with the puck. Gleason is a good defensive defenseman who Toronto could use one more of but the difference between Gleason and Liles at this stage is not Carter Ashton. Maybe a later pick like a 5th or 6th. And if you get Gleason you don't drop Fraser. Toronto has too many offensive minded soft defenseman, and the fact that Gleason much like liles may not be the same kind of player after returning from his concussion.

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Yeah, if we did trade Brennan, Holzer and Liles, we'd only have 5 defensemen on the Marlies, but then we send Ranger down for number 6 and he can further develop and lead there (maybe be the captain considering Smith is on the Leafs pretty much permanently).
Ranger is on a 1-way contract, he'd have to go through waivers to get sent down and guaranteed someone would pick him up. Ranger hasn't impressed me so far but even still...losing him for nothing on waivers would be foolish.

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11-24-2013, 12:19 PM
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Niskanen is not better than Gunnar so no.
He has a little more upside and is a rare top 4 RHD, but I see what you're getting at. I'm just thinking, we move Gunnarsson, Kulemin and Holzer and we get something like Niskanen, a couple of seconds and maybe a fourth, we'd actually get regain some of the picks we lost for Gunnarsson, who may be the next victim of getting lost in the shuffle.

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He will play where he is playing right now. It will only change the roles of Fraser, Ranger and Rielly. According to many fans Ranger would be sent down and Rielly would play on a regular basis. I think Fraser will get his share based on what team we are facing.
Yes, but Gunnarsson is playing as a LHD out of position. You would be getting a RHD to play there instead.

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Why would we have to drop Fraser if we got Gleason? I don't understand that notion at all. I'd keep Fraser, it's called depth and to be quite honest this whole Liles+ for Gleason is a good idea from both sides. Although I had no idea Gleason was so scared to play in Canada :p

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Liles when healthy and he looks healthy is a good defenseman, a guy who is capable at both ends of the ice and is smart with the puck. Gleason is a good defensive defenseman who Toronto could use one more of but the difference between Gleason and Liles at this stage is not Carter Ashton. Maybe a later pick like a 5th or 6th. And if you get Gleason you don't drop Fraser. Toronto has too many offensive minded soft defenseman, and the fact that Gleason much like liles may not be the same kind of player after returning from his concussion.
Well we probably will be dropping Fraser, because of his value, and the fact of Rielly and Ranger being stubbornly played.

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