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11-24-2013, 08:06 PM
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The raises for Lundqvist and Callahan are easily covered by the cap increase. If Callahan got $5.5 that's an increase of $1.25. If Lundqvist gets $8, its an increase of $1.15. Leaves about $4.5 million left of the cap increase. If Girardi wanted say $5, that's an increase $1.625. I think the Rangers will look to get him back at around $4.5-4.75 though.

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11-24-2013, 08:09 PM
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Try to re-sign (in that order) Lundqvist, Cally, Girardi, Stralman, Boyle, Moore and Haley from the UFA's. But with Cally and Girardi you really have to be careful not to overpay. It would be great to keep them, but they are the types of players that tend to get overpaid.

From the RFA's Kreider, Kristo, Moore and DZ are no-brainers, as should Zuccarello be with his play and low QO. I'd like to keep Brassard, but he hasn't shown enough consistency to get a significant pay rise. Maybe 3.5 per on a short deal, but you wouldn't want to pay more. Either way, he'll still have some value.

Spares like Pouliot and Pyatt should be replaced from within. Lindberg, Fast, Kristo should be more than able to replace their rather diminutive contribution.

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11-24-2013, 08:26 PM
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hahhahh at some of you guys thinking we should let callahan and girardi walk... who fills there shoes next year???

hahah at Kreider being signed at 3m? hahaha

brassard is tricky and so is DZ i could see them being moved at deadline or at the very least draft...

Girardi (4.5 x4-5yrs), Callahan (4.75-5.25 x 4-5yrs), hank (7.5-8m x5yrs) will be resigned..

boyle (1.5-2m x 2-3yrs) and stralman (2-2.5 x 2-3yrs) are treaky.. bc i think on the open market they can and will be paid a lot more then we can afford..

Kreider (1.5-2.25 x2yrs), MZA (2-2.75 x2-3yrs), Brass (3.5-4.25 x4yrs), DZ** (3.25-3.5 x4yrs)
**DZ will be traded at the end of the year the lastest..

A lot in FA hinges upon Richards... He might be back.. odds are hes bought out..

FA i see Stasny signing here or Toronto.. but ultimately helps fills top 2 center positions (w/ stepan)

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11-24-2013, 08:30 PM
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This whole notion of trading all of our players that are to-be UFAs for prospects and draft picks is asinine. We're going to be in the playoff hunt come the trade deadline, and we're going to be competing for the Cup. I understand we don't want to lose these guys for nothing, but the whole goal of the season is to compete and win the cup, not have the most potential NHL'ers/prospects. All 3 will be here at and after the deadline. Callahan is or captain, heart and soul of the team. Girardi is our only top-2 RHD. Hank is well..Hank. He's going to be the reason we win anything.

I'll be pissed if Hank and Callahan aren't re-signed. I'd like G back, but if he's demanding too much, then it's fine to let him go, but we need him for the playoffs.
This type of thinking is exactly why the Rangers have been treading water since 94 but especially since the 05 lockout.

Management needs to identify who they are building around, lock them up, and dish the casualties to retool. Continuing to hold all your chips because "anything can happen" in the playoffs is ridiculously short sighted. This Ranger team is not close to being a Cup contender. They are majorly lacking at the 2nd most important position in hockey - center.

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This type of thinking is exactly why the Rangers have been treading water since 94 but especially since the 05 lockout.

Management needs to identify who they are building around, lock them up, and dish the casualties to retool. Continuing to hold all your chips because "anything can happen" in the playoffs is ridiculously short sighted. This Ranger team is not close to being a Cup contender. They are majorly lacking at the 2nd most important position in hockey - center.
it also doesn't mean you start gutting the core of your team that made NYR relevant..

Callahan hank Girardi are our core.. we have clearly identified that.. all have been in org since we turned the corner and became committed to drafting and building a team.. (all are our leaders)..

and i wouldnt say we're far away from a cup a lot can happen..

but guys like brass, dz, stral are all movable..

i agree tho we need a 1c.. but one can argue if we had brass step up to what he was like in playoffs, and more consistency out of stepan.. theres no denying we are capable of a good run..

its not about points.. boston is a solid team, its not about star players its about have a fine oiled mahcine (4lines/depth guys) firing on all cylinders.. everything is depth thats what wins playoff games and cups.. not relaying on kanes and toews of the world.. think about it.. that chicago team blew it up 2 now bc guys like verteeg, buf, ladd, stralberg, niemi came up big and earned the big pay day, but weren't stars before that.. they scored all the timely goals.. having a strong bottom 6 is where it counts..

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11-24-2013, 08:46 PM
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it also doesn't mean you start gutting the core of your team that made NYR relevant..

Callahan hank Girardi are our core.. we have clearly identified that.. all have been in org since we turned the corner and became committed to drafting and building a team.. (all are our leaders)..

and i wouldnt say we're far away from a cup a lot can happen..

but guys like brass, dz, stral are all movable..

i agree tho we need a 1c.. but one can argue if we had brass step up to what he was like in playoffs, and more consistency out of stepan.. theres no denying we are capable of a good run..

its not about points.. boston is a solid team, its not about star players its about have a fine oiled mahcine (4lines/depth guys) firing on all cylinders.. everything is depth thats what wins playoff games and cups.. not relaying on kanes and toews of the world.. think about it.. that chicago team blew it up 2 now bc guys like verteeg, buf, ladd, stralberg, niemi came up big and earned the big pay day, but weren't stars before that..
I'm not saying to necessarily gut the core. I am saying to have a plan. Execute that plan. And be decisive.

Not get to June 30th and say damn, better start signing our players! Oh, our entire bottom 6 walked? Better rush out and sign Asham/Pyatt/Pouliot.

You need depth definitely. But you need top end first and foremost. If that Chicago team doesn't have Kane/Toews/Hossa/Sharp or even only 2, the players you mentioned don't enjoy the success they did. Having the top end pulls the rest of your team upward. It allows you to carry players like Bickel who then become invaluable.

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11-24-2013, 09:04 PM
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I'm not saying to necessarily gut the core. I am saying to have a plan. Execute that plan. And be decisive.

Not get to June 30th and say damn, better start signing our players! Oh, our entire bottom 6 walked? Better rush out and sign Asham/Pyatt/Pouliot.

You need depth definitely. But you need top end first and foremost. If that Chicago team doesn't have Kane/Toews/Hossa/Sharp or even only 2, the players you mentioned don't enjoy the success they did. Having the top end pulls the rest of your team upward. It allows you to carry players like Bickel who then become invaluable.
Right on, good post! Unfortunately, rangers are not even built close to either model! Sather always looks for the shortcut and thusly misses thepoint.

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11-24-2013, 09:10 PM
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I'm not saying to necessarily gut the core. I am saying to have a plan. Execute that plan. And be decisive.

Not get to June 30th and say damn, better start signing our players! Oh, our entire bottom 6 walked? Better rush out and sign Asham/Pyatt/Pouliot.

You need depth definitely. But you need top end first and foremost. If that Chicago team doesn't have Kane/Toews/Hossa/Sharp or even only 2, the players you mentioned don't enjoy the success they did. Having the top end pulls the rest of your team upward. It allows you to carry players like Bickel who then become invaluable.
absolutely, totally agree.. we dont have to be like other teams and sign our players to contracts before there current expires.. new york teams always operate like that.. not just rangers but so do yankees knicks, etc..

i think our biggest issue is signing pyatt/pouliots like you said as tweeners then playing Miller, fast lindberg, kristo or building a core.. i think our other biggest issue is wee desperately need a player we drafted to step up and be a tru star.. it seems kreider may live up to the hype but has a long way to go.. but we need him to step up and have success if we want succes as a whole..

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11-24-2013, 09:23 PM
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For starters, don't overpay for their upcoming free agents. I'd be careful what I give to Callahan and Girardi especially.

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I'm not saying to necessarily gut the core. I am saying to have a plan. Execute that plan. And be decisive.

Not get to June 30th and say damn, better start signing our players! Oh, our entire bottom 6 walked? Better rush out and sign Asham/Pyatt/Pouliot.

You need depth definitely. But you need top end first and foremost. If that Chicago team doesn't have Kane/Toews/Hossa/Sharp or even only 2, the players you mentioned don't enjoy the success they did. Having the top end pulls the rest of your team upward. It allows you to carry players like Bickel who then become invaluable.
Couldn't agree more with this.

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The raises for Lundqvist and Callahan are easily covered by the cap increase. If Callahan got $5.5 that's an increase of $1.25. If Lundqvist gets $8, its an increase of $1.15. Leaves about $4.5 million left of the cap increase. If Girardi wanted say $5, that's an increase $1.625. I think the Rangers will look to get him back at around $4.5-4.75 though.
My opinions:

Girardi = Resigned, 5 Years 4.75M (McD Money, basically)

Hank = Resigned, 8 years $8M

Callahan = Resigned, 5 Years 5.1M

D. Moore = Resigned, 2 Years $1M

J. Moore = Resigned, 2 year bridge qualifying offer

Kreider = Resigned, 2 year bridge qualifying offer

Zucc = Resigned, 2 year bridge qualifying offer

Boyle = Resigned, 3 years $2M

Falk = Resigned, 1 year Qualifying Offer

Stralman = Resigned, 2 year bridge qualifying offer


As for the Wolf Pack, I'd resign all of those guys except for Asham, Powe, Bourque, Mashinter, and Missian. Obviously as low as you can get them, but guys like Johnson, Jean, Kristo, Syvret are solid, still developing, and on the right track


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11-24-2013, 11:22 PM
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Rangers can't overpay for some of their UFA's coming up.
-Lundqvist should get around $8 Million
-Callahan probably around $5 Million
-Girardi is a shutdown guy but his offensive upside doesn't make him an elite defenseman so between $4.5 - $4.75 Milliion

If Slats can somehow acquire a guy like Evander Kane based around MDZ, JT Miller, MZA, and maybe a 2nd rounder, then sign a UFA like Mason Raymond on the cheap, this lineup could work:

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.000m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Mason Raymond ($1.750m) / Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Danny Kristo ($0.827m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($4.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($2.500m)
John Moore ($1.650m) / Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m)
GOALTENDERS
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.000m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,542,708; BONUSES: $591,667
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $457,292

Or maybe if they buy out Richards and let Brassard and Girardi leave:

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.000m) / Joe Thornton ($7.250m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Steve Ott ($4.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Mason Raymond ($1.750m) / Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Danny Kristo ($0.827m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Brooks Orpik ($4.000m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($2.500m)
John Moore ($1.650m) / Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m)
GOALTENDERS
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.000m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
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SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,926,042; BONUSES: $591,667
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $73,958

Buying out Richards, letting Brassard and Girardi go without taking back any salary makes this a very balanced lineup. ANy thoughts?

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11-25-2013, 02:29 AM
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Do you want to play without a bottom-6?
FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.750m)
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
Linus Omark ($1.000m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Scott Gomez ($1.000m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m) / Justin Falk ($1.024m)
John Moore ($0.851m) / Dan Girardi ($5.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,772,583; BONUSES: $1,121,667
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $7,527,417


Leaves space for another couple of signings. Would want a top 6 center in there too.

Obviously those aren't the lines I would want, just to fit guys in. Would also replace Omark with a more traditional bottom 6 guy like Ben Reaves


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FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.750m)
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
Linus Omark ($1.000m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Scott Gomez ($1.000m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m) / Justin Falk ($1.024m)
John Moore ($0.851m) / Dan Girardi ($5.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,772,583; BONUSES: $1,121,667
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $7,527,417


Leaves space for another couple of signings. Would want a top 6 center in there too.

Obviously those aren't the lines I would want, just to fit guys in. Would also replace Omark with a more traditional bottom 6 guy like Ben Reaves
I'd say you are the closest thus far for UFA amounts, but wow is that center depth horrible (or non existent)!

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11-25-2013, 04:58 AM
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Sign Lundqvist. 8 per for 7-8 years. Absolutely can not let him walk away.

I'm thinking anything over 3 years for Girardi is going to be an overpayment but he'll probably get it from someone and I can come to grips with it. I just think he'll decline over the life of the contract and only earn 4.5+ for the first two years. Then you'll be overpaying for a guy who won't be a top pairing defenseman. He's already slowing down and he already doesn't pass well enough. For the purpose of this thread, I'm going to assume someone gives him 4 years at 5 per. I walk away.

Stralman has been great for us this year, looks to be a fit under the system. He's only 27. Andrew Ference got 4 years @ 3.25. Stralman gets the same deal.

Callahan basically gets what Clowe/Fillpula got this past offseason. 5 years @ 5.35 million. Another deal that could go down hill if Cally keeps getting hurt but you gotta keep him.

Bye-bye to Pouliot, Pyatt, D. Moore. Powe, Asham, Bickel, gone. Maybe resign Haley, A. Johnson, and Syvret for depth on minor league deals. Someone will overpay Boyle, he has a good reputation for a player who's not that great.

I expect Del Zotto to be gone by the deadline. Not sure what RFAs will get so I'll just copy some numbers from other posters. Keep Zukes, Kreider, Falk, Moore, Kristo, Stajcer, Mashinter, Bourque, Wilson. Let Brassard walk if he's at more than 4 per.

Buy out Richards. With him gone, you NEED to go out and get a top tier center. I'd make a full bid at Stastny. He would fit this team as a great playmaker. It would be long term but probably not too extreme at of a cap hit. If Horton got 7 years, he will too. 7 per. Front load it so you can move it towards the end.

Sign Dan Boyle. He would fit in very well with this team, is a RHD, and a pairing with McDonagh could be unreal. He's older so you could probably nab him for 2 years @ 6.5 per. Not a long term answer but should be less of a commitment (so that money comes off when we need to resign our own young players). Still a very good player.

Grab a scoring right wing like Stempniak or whoever is the best guy you can land for less than 4 years and 5 mil.

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Paul Stastny (7.00m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.350m)
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Lee Stempniak (4.500m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
38.809
Kristo, Hrivik, etc. for depth or competing for spots. I'd like to trade one of our wingers for a center. Miller could play wing if needed. With this set-up, an injury to Stastny or Stepan would be pretty bad.

DEFENSEMAN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Boyle (6.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($2.500m)
John Moore ($1.650m) / Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m)
20.028
Falk, Allen for depth.

GOALTENDERS
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.00m)
8.563

67.4
TOTAL SALARY HIT:
SALARY CAP: 68 Million (If lower, all deals will likely be smaller so the players should still fit)

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Rangers can't overpay for some of their UFA's coming up.
-Lundqvist should get around $8 Million
-Callahan probably around $5 Million
-Girardi is a shutdown guy but his offensive upside doesn't make him an elite defenseman so between $4.5 - $4.75 Milliion

If Slats can somehow acquire a guy like Evander Kane based around MDZ, JT Miller, MZA, and maybe a 2nd rounder, then sign a UFA like Mason Raymond on the cheap, this lineup could work:

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.000m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Mason Raymond ($1.750m) / Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Danny Kristo ($0.827m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($4.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($2.500m)
John Moore ($1.650m) / Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m)
GOALTENDERS
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.000m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,542,708; BONUSES: $591,667
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $457,292

Or maybe if they buy out Richards and let Brassard and Girardi leave:

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.000m) / Joe Thornton ($7.250m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Steve Ott ($4.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Mason Raymond ($1.750m) / Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Danny Kristo ($0.827m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Brooks Orpik ($4.000m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($2.500m)
John Moore ($1.650m) / Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m)
GOALTENDERS
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.000m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,926,042; BONUSES: $591,667
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $73,958

Buying out Richards, letting Brassard and Girardi go without taking back any salary makes this a very balanced lineup. ANy thoughts?


The RW depth in those rosters are weak imo. Orpik as a top 2? Pittsburgh fans seem like they cant stand him. I'd rather keep Girardi.

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I'd say you are the closest thus far for UFA amounts, but wow is that center depth horrible (or non existent)!
Which is where that 7.5 mil comes in handy! I'd be content re-signing Brassard but I know Arniel doesn't like him and it might be tough. However, with that roster in place you could actually keep Brad Richards and sign a 7th defenseman and stay barely under the 70mil cap. Check this out, I increased the cap to just 65mil and made a few signings just to show you how much flexibility the team could have if they decide to keep Richards and the cap goes all the way up to 70mil. Again, since we all believe the cap could go up to 70 imagine this team with an extra 5 mil to spend.

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.750m)
Mats Zuccarello ($1.500m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Chris Kreider ($2.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Scott Gomez ($1.000m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m)
Linus Omark ($0.700m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.875m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / John Moore ($1.200m)
Justin Falk ($1.024m) / Mark Fraser ($1.275m)
Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m) /
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Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $65,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,088,750; BONUSES: $1,036,667
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $911,250

I decided to leave out Lindberg and sign Gomez (I know.) to give a shot to a veteran center on that third line who can play a bit of a two-way game. I get that there's an incredibly negative stigma attached to Gomez but I actually really like that third line. Gives the team a line that plays very well defensively but is also a constant threat with Hagelin's speed and Miller's playmaking ability.

Fourth line here you could call into question of course, I signed Omark because I like the guy's game but there are more traditional 4th line type players who are available.


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The raises for Lundqvist and Callahan are easily covered by the cap increase. If Callahan got $5.5 that's an increase of $1.25. If Lundqvist gets $8, its an increase of $1.15. Leaves about $4.5 million left of the cap increase. If Girardi wanted say $5, that's an increase $1.625. I think the Rangers will look to get him back at around $4.5-4.75 though.

IMO Girardi gets around 5.5. Similar to Cally.

Letting Pyatt, Pouliot and Moore walk frees up around 3.8 mill. Pyatt and Pouliot wont be missed. Moore is easily replacable (Lindberg).

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This type of thinking is exactly why the Rangers have been treading water since 94 but especially since the 05 lockout.

Management needs to identify who they are building around, lock them up, and dish the casualties to retool. Continuing to hold all your chips because "anything can happen" in the playoffs is ridiculously short sighted. This Ranger team is not close to being a Cup contender. They are majorly lacking at the 2nd most important position in hockey - center.
Oh, so because I don't want to trade 3 of our most important pieces at the deadline I'm being short minded?

It's pretty clear they're going to get overpaid. They're UFA's. Every UFA gets overpaid. That's just the way it goes in today's game. 29 other teams are going to be looking to get these guys, if we have to overpay by a little bit to keep them, fine with me. I'm not saying give Callahan and Girardi 7m+ over here...I'm talking about reasonable pay upgrades.

And you simply cannot cannot cannot trade them! Unless we're somehow out of it at the deadline, then, fine go ahead and trade for future assets. But again, we're competing for the Cup. This team may not be the best, but a few lucky goals here and there, a solid acquisition at the deadline, and Hank turns it up another gear like in Games 6 & 7 against WSH last year, and we definitely can win something this year.

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The RW depth in those rosters are weak imo. Orpik as a top 2? Pittsburgh fans seem like they cant stand him. I'd rather keep Girardi.
There will be serviceable RW's like Brad Boyes that can fill those gaps pretty cheap. Rangers could use someone like Orpik who plays a tough game and hits everything including Cindy and Gina.

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There will be serviceable RW's like Brad Boyes that can fill those gaps pretty cheap. Rangers could use someone like Orpik who plays a tough game and hits everything including Cindy and Gina.


I would rather give Girardi an extra mil than sign Orpik but thats just me. I hope there are better options than Boyes. I do like your Thornton signing though

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I'm not saying to necessarily gut the core. I am saying to have a plan. Execute that plan. And be decisive.

Not get to June 30th and say damn, better start signing our players! Oh, our entire bottom 6 walked? Better rush out and sign Asham/Pyatt/Pouliot.

You need depth definitely. But you need top end first and foremost. If that Chicago team doesn't have Kane/Toews/Hossa/Sharp or even only 2, the players you mentioned don't enjoy the success they did. Having the top end pulls the rest of your team upward. It allows you to carry players like Bickel who then become invaluable.
Well said. This team needs to stop being reactive and start being proactive.

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The simple answer is that theres no way you can make an intelligent guess about the offseason this early. 75% of the roster are due contracts in the off-season. The evaluation is going on right now (one would hope).

The next big date is the trade deadline. Will the Rangers be contenders? Will they have enough information to make suitable decisions by then? Will the terrible asset management continue if the team is hovering around .500 and trying to add pieces for a playoff run?

This will play out in the next few months.

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RW: Ryan Callahan ($4,275,000) --> He shouldn't get much more than what he has now in years or dollars.
C: Brian Boyle ($1,700,000)--> Remember when we let Prust walk for what 2.4 mil? Do we go and sign him for close to the same? He is going to provide a great 4th line option and leadership and can fill in on the 3rd. I think he's worth a little over 2 mil for 2-3 years.
LW: Taylor Pyatt ($1,550,000)--> Goodbye!
LW: Benoit Pouliot ($1,300,000)-->Goodbye!
C: Domenic Moore ($1,000,000)--> I feel like we'll keep him.
D: Dan Girardi ($3,325,000)--> I don't want to re-sign him but who do we have at RD? He's going to cost too much and not live up to his contract though.
D: Anton Stralman ($1,700,000)--> Again who do we have at RD? It wouldn't be smart to guarantee Mcilrath a top 4 spot although he may earn one. Stralman can be cheap and do ok.
G: Henrik Lundqvist ($6,875,000)--> 8 and 8 is too much for a goalie but not for a legend.
LW: Darrol Powe ($1,066,667)-->Goodbye!
RW: Arron Asham ($1,000,000)-->Goodbye!
C: Micheal Haley ($600,000) He isn't making the NHL so far so they'll probably get rid of him.
D: Stu Bickel ($750,000)-->Same thing
D: Aaron Johnson ($600,000)-->He's really helped McI develop and has been the AHL's top D man. Can't gut the minors every year so he may stay
D: Danny Syvret ($587,500)-->They grabbed him for the AHL prob for a year to fill in.

RFA's
C: Derick Brassard ($3,200,000)--> If we do for some reason give him 4 mil than it shouldn't be more than 2 years. We might just let him go/trade him no matter what. I'm sure cutting Richards will affect this too. If Richards goes I can't imagine him being let go too for nothing
LW: Mats Zuccarello ($1,150,000)-->I'm sure he'll ask for 4 mil and we'll let him go and give that money to Brassard which would be dumb b/ MZA has a better chance of deserving that kind of contract. 3 mil for 2-3 years is ok with me. He may actually play well enough over the next few years to legitamately deserve a 4 mil 4 year contract but that's a big "may" for such a small guy.
C: Chris Kreider ($800,000)-->Probably gets around what Stepan just got but they've been hyping him up so much that I wouldn't be shocked if they tried to get him for more years. I think they should do a 1 or 2 year bridge tho.
D: Micahael Del Zotto ($2,550,000)--> He's making what he should be making but with UFA years coming it'll cost a little more. There's no way I would give him more than 3 years for 3.5 mil. With Staal wanting a new one soon he may just get the boot. I don't see anything in him that makes me think he'll develop much more so I don't think he's worth keeping in what is already an overcrowded LD spot. The coach doesn't seem to like him and his fragile mental makeup.
D: Justin Falk ($975,000)-->He's done well and may be kept around like Eminger was
D: John Moore ($840,000)-->He shouldn't get much more than what he has now for 2 years

LW: Danny Kristo ($875,000)-->Same as Moore
LW: Kyle Jean ($705,000)-->Started hot and has been cold for awhile so they'll probably let him go
LW: Ryan Bourque ($656,667)-->I think they like him in the AHL and will keep him
LW: Brandon Mashinter ($605,000)-->Same as Bourque
LW: Jason Wilson ($583,333)-->Oh he's gone. They told him his bags would be waiting for him outside. He walked outside, found no bags and the door was locked behind him leaving him stranded in dead career land. Far off in the distance is a 6'7 sobbing pile of dog crap.
G: Jason Missiaen ($675,000)-->He's 6'7 so the team was just pranking him. They throw a piece of paper reading "contract" on the ground next to him with what appears to be a skid mark right where the 'Signature' line is.
G: Scott Stajcer ($620,000)-->If he could walk out the door he would but with two displaced hips, a fracture femur and a dislocated pelvis they just couldn't get him out of the infirmary so they give him an anasthetic and roll him out into the cold. The skid mark contract is placed directly between him and Missiaen. Who will win?
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There are my thoughts

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2014/2015

FORWARDS
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Steve Ott ($3.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.000m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
Mats Zuccarello ($1.700m) / Brian Boyle ($2.200m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Tanner Glass ($1.000m) or other gritty vet

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.200m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.300m)
John Moore ($1.550m) / Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) or Vet D UFA

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.200m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

BUYOUTS

Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $68,500,000
CAP PAYROLL: $67,504,167
BONUSES: $1,621,667
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $995,833

Kane for MDZ, Miller +
D Boyle (Sather special) signs as UFA for 2 years
Ott is a deadline pickup this year that we resign
Other resigned contracts according to numbers above

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