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View Poll Results: Who is the better goaltender right now?
James Reimer 28 14.74%
Carey Price 159 83.68%
Too close to call 3 1.58%
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11-25-2013, 03:26 PM
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11-25-2013, 03:27 PM
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So SV% is 100% a reflection of a goalie's skill and has nothing to do with the team in front of them or the amount of games they play?
Don't inject logic into his reasoning.

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11-25-2013, 03:27 PM
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amount of games doesn't mean much, though quality of opponent definitely does.

but yes, SV% is largely inside the goalie's control, as much or moreso than PPG is inside a forward's control.

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11-25-2013, 03:28 PM
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GAA is a team stat, not a goalie stat.

yes, it is.
lol. ok, bud. you should have a chat with that Oil topchowda poster who went on and on about how Dubnyk had a superb .920 last season... even though his team were very far from a playoff spot.

i guess it must hurt knowing the Leafs traded a great goalie in Scrivens, going by your logic.

keep ignoring that TTOI stat.

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11-25-2013, 03:30 PM
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Dubnyk is a good goalie, and so is Scrivens.

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amount of games doesn't mean much, though quality of opponent definitely does.

but yes, SV% is largely inside the goalie's control, as much or moreso than PPG is inside a forward's control.
Doesn't mean much? Let's say one goalie had a SV% of .925 through 35 games and another goalie had a .920 SV% through 70 games. Would you honestly say the first one is more impressive?

And I guess you'd say Scrivens is a better goalie than Bernier, right? And Cam Talbot is better than Reimer?

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11-25-2013, 03:32 PM
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Scrivens > Quick AINEC.

zeke logic at work here, folks.

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11-25-2013, 03:33 PM
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Its Price but I love Reimer. I think he's incredibly under appreciated.


I'd like to see Price starting in Sochi though.

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11-25-2013, 03:38 PM
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amount of games doesn't mean much, though quality of opponent definitely does.

but yes, SV% is largely inside the goalie's control, as much or moreso than PPG is inside a forward's control.
Ok lets look at the quality of competition for each goalie

Price
pit
minny x2
tor
nyi
nyr
tbl
dal
stl
ott
van
win
edm
cbj
cal
sjs
ana
nsh
phi


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mtl
ott
pit
min
car
edm
van
bos
wsh
buf

Pretty sure this shows that Price has had to face more quality of competition then reimer has.

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11-25-2013, 03:39 PM
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Doesn't mean much? Let's say one goalie had a SV% of .925 through 35 games and another goalie had a .920 SV% through 70 games. Would you honestly say the first one is more impressive?
the latter is more reliable, though not really all that more impressive.

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And I guess you'd say Scrivens is a better goalie than Bernier, right? And Cam Talbot is better than Reimer?
You always have to be careful with smaller sample sizes, that's true, but it's not as big a deal when dealing with a goalie who has always played vs. Starter quality opposition like Reimer.

The likes of Bernier and scrivens you take with a grain of salt because they have been more sheltered overall in their careers, stuck behind fulltime starting goalies for the most part.

But the comparison to Talbot is just silly.

Reimer has played more games than Schneider, not all that many fewer than Rask. Goalies that we have no problem comparing to the games' elite.

We're not dealing with a tiny sample size here with reimer, so let's all stop pretending we are.

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11-25-2013, 03:42 PM
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GAA is a team stat, not a goalie stat.



yes, it is.
So is this finally an admission that the Habs are a better team than the Leafs?

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11-25-2013, 03:43 PM
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Obviously price, but if were comparing it solely on stats how about that Alex stalock eh?

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11-25-2013, 03:46 PM
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lol. ok, bud. you should have a chat with that Oil topchowda poster who went on and on about how Dubnyk had a superb .920 last season... even though his team were very far from a playoff spot.

i guess it must hurt knowing the Leafs traded a great goalie in Scrivens, going by your logic.

keep ignoring that TTOI stat.
WTF how does TTOI affect a determination regarding a goalies skill!! That seems to be your ONLY crutch and its wearing thin bro. It is comical that you are trying to hold it against Reimer and or Bernier that the Leafs have 2 top goalies who can split starts. IYO they don't/won't/haven't played as many games as Price so the fact that the Leafs are consistently outplayed to a laughable extent and Reimer and Bernier have stood on their heads and won a bunch of games the Leafs had no business even being in means nothing cuz individually they play/ed less games

Here is a new idea for ya'll why not watch them play. I have had to watch the Habs almost as much as the Leafs due to my girl being a Habs fan. She has also saw a ton of the Leafs and she agrees with me that Reimer+Bernier have been playing better than Price.

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Reimer has played more than Schneider and produced better numbers, yet the consensus on this site is that Schneider > Reimer?

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11-25-2013, 03:51 PM
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WTF how does TTOI affect a determination regarding a goalies skill!! That seems to be your ONLY crutch and its wearing thin bro. It is comical that you are trying to hold it against Reimer and or Bernier that the Leafs have 2 top goalies who can split starts. IYO they don't/won't/haven't played as many games as Price so the fact that the Leafs are consistently outplayed to a laughable extent and Reimer and Bernier have stood on their heads and won a bunch of games the Leafs had no business even being in means nothing cuz individually they play/ed less games

Here is a new idea for ya'll why not watch them play. I have had to watch the Habs almost as much as the Leafs due to my girl being a Habs fan. She has also saw a ton of the Leafs and she agrees with me that Reimer+Bernier have been playing better than Price.
what the hell? how can you even state that TTOI has no effect on all of this? it directly shows that Price can handle the heavy workload that comes with being an NHL starter - something that Reimer has yet to do in a full season. if you're more impressed that Reimer can put up some great stats in 515 minutes of gametime while Price puts up similar ones in 1100+ minutes of it... i don't know what to tell you besides you're a massive homer. is Scrivens better than Price too?

are we pretending now that Price hasn't stood on his head this season or many times before?? good lord.

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11-25-2013, 03:53 PM
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Ok lets look at the quality of competition for each goalie

Price
pit
minny x2
tor
nyi
nyr
tbl
dal
stl
ott
van
win
edm
cbj
cal
sjs
ana
nsh
phi


Reimer
mtl
ott
pit
min
car
edm
van
bos
wsh
buf

Pretty sure this shows that Price has had to face more quality of competition then reimer has.
except it doesn't.

If we list the league in order of GPG:

1.CHI ---
2.STL: Price x1
3.SJS: Price x1
4.PHX: ---
5.COL: ---
6.ANA: Price x1
7.PIT: Price x1, Reimer x1
8.OTT: Price x1, Reimer x1
9.WSH: Reimer x1
10.TBL: Price x1

11.BOS: Reimer x1
12.TOR: Price x1
13.NYI: Price x1
14.CAL: Price x1
15.DAL: Price x1
16.MTL: Reimer x1
17.EDM: Price x1, Reimer x1
18.VAN: Price x1, Reimer x1
19.MIN: Price x2, Reimer x1
20.DET: ----

21.LAK: ---
22.WPG: Price x1
23.CBJ: Price x1
24.NSH: Price x1
25.PHI: Price x1
26.NJD: ---
27.FLA: ---
28.NYR: Price x1
29.CAR:
30:BUF: Reimer x1

Vs.Top-10 Offenses: Price 6, Reimer 3
Vs.Mid-10 Offenses: Price 7, Reimer 5
Vs.Bot-10 Offenses: Price5, Reimer 1

So actually, Reimer hasn't had nearly the advantage of playing against bad offensive teams that Price has had.

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11-25-2013, 03:54 PM
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sorry, that should read 8 for Price vs. Mid-10 teams - I forgot to count Minny twice.

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11-25-2013, 03:55 PM
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So is this finally an admission that the Habs are a better team than the Leafs?
The Habs are a very good team. Very comparable to the Leafs. You habs fans underrate your team in general.

The only thing they're missing is topline scoring forwards, but their offensive depth mostly makes up for that.

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Reimer has played more than Schneider and produced better numbers, yet the consensus on this site is that Schneider > Reimer?
Of course people think that, one was a first round pick who was allowed to develop slowly, battled a proven goalie for the starting job and is one of those most technically sound goalies you'll see

vs

a 4th round pick who made his way through the ECHL/AHL, beat out Gustavvson and Gigeure and has concussion issues

not taking anything away from Reimer he's been solid for you guys but it's a easy choice to most

factor in both have never played a full season as well

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I can't find Carey Price on this webpage - someone help me out?!

http://www.nhl.com/ice/statshome.htm...=nav-sts-main#

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Vs.Top-10 Offenses: Price 6, Reimer 3
Vs.Mid-10 Offenses: Price 7, Reimer 5
Vs.Bot-10 Offenses: Price5, Reimer 1

So actually, Reimer hasn't had nearly the advantage of playing against bad offensive teams that Price has had.
nor has Reimer played all that much against top offensive teams. face it, Price has simply played much more than Reimer. of course Price will end up playing against weaker teams. that comes with being a full-time starter.

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Of course people think that, one was a first round pick who was allowed to develop slowly, battled a proven goalie for the starting job and is one of those most technically sound goalies you'll see

vs

a 4th round pick who made his way through the ECHL/AHL, beat out Gustavvson and Gigeure and has concussion issues

not taking anything away from Reimer he's been solid for you guys but it's a easy choice to most
It is an easy choice, his name rhymes with One-Timer!

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Of course people think that, one was a first round pick who was allowed to develop slowly, battled a proven goalie for the starting job and is one of those most technically sound goalies you'll see

vs

a 4th round pick who made his way through the ECHL/AHL, beat out Gustavvson and Gigeure and has concussion issues

not taking anything away from Reimer he's been solid for you guys but it's a easy choice to most

factor in both have never played a full season as well
ah, so you admit it has nothing to do with games played at all.

good for you.

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except it doesn't.

If we list the league in order of GPG:

1.CHI ---
2.STL: Price x1
3.SJS: Price x1
4.PHX: ---
5.COL: ---
6.ANA: Price x1
7.PIT: Price x1, Reimer x1
8.OTT: Price x1, Reimer x1
9.WSH: Reimer x1
10.TBL: Price x1

11.BOS: Reimer x1
12.TOR: Price x1
13.NYI: Price x1
14.CAL: Price x1
15.DAL: Price x1
16.MTL: Reimer x1
17.EDM: Price x1, Reimer x1
18.VAN: Price x1, Reimer x1
19.MIN: Price x2, Reimer x1
20.DET: ----

21.LAK: ---
22.WPG: Price x1
23.CBJ: Price x1
24.NSH: Price x1
25.PHI: Price x1
26.NJD: ---
27.FLA: ---
28.NYR: Price x1
29.CAR:
30:BUF: Reimer x1

Vs.Top-10 Offenses: Price 6, Reimer 3
Vs.Mid-10 Offenses: Price 7, Reimer 5
Vs.Bot-10 Offenses: Price5, Reimer 1

So actually, Reimer hasn't had nearly the advantage of playing against bad offensive teams that Price has had.
No one said Reimer had an advantage playing bad teams. They said simply that Price has played higher quality teams. Stay focused and pay attention to what is actually being said.

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