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12-01-2013, 09:29 AM
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Someone posted Erat for Klesla and Rundblad in the Klesla thread. That is actually a decent deal.

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12-01-2013, 09:35 AM
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If Vanek hits FA this summer there is a strong possibility that he signs in Minnesota

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12-01-2013, 09:58 AM
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Who are the D prospects again, since we don't need any?
Schmidt, Carrick, Bowey, Orlov, Schilling, and Djoos all have NHL potential (four of them already have NHL appearances). I'd say both Carrick and Orlov have top pairing upside if they play to their potential.


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How is Kuznetsov a prospect?
0 NHL games played. He's not a prospect in the KHL, but in terms of the North American game, he's absolutely a prospect.

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PPS:

How can a prospect be a candidate for Olympic roster of the team which is considered one of the favourites? For the record, I think he will not get on the roster, but anyway it is another level.
Varlamov was considered a prospect by many when he competed for Russia in 2010. Barkov and Maatta will contend for a spots on the Finnish team (who won Bronze in 2010).

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12-01-2013, 12:08 PM
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Any hfb poster can call him a prospect (which is ok here). But I don't agree he is one in real life.

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12-01-2013, 12:11 PM
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They are not prospects like Bowey, Carrick, Barber, Kuznetsov, and Burakowsky are. They are older, and hence lower ceilings.
Kuznetsov and Latta aside why?

What do you see as Bowey's, Carrick's, Barber's, Burakowsky's, and Schmidt's ceilings and why?

Since I would guess you haven't seen much of anyone of them besides Schmidt play do you really feel you've seen enough of Schmidt to make that determination? I mean college hockey to a handful of AHL games to 20+ NHL games is a decent leap in quality of competition in not that much time. I think most would have said a full season in Hershey would have been the preferred developmental approach for him but the injuries to Hillen and Erskine and Oates' unwillingness until yesterday anyway to give Orlov a chance has altered that.

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12-01-2013, 12:13 PM
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Any hfb poster can call him a prospect (which is ok here). But I don't agree he is one in real life.
Until he materializes he's not even a prospect. It's amusing how he's become the great white hope around here.

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12-01-2013, 12:29 PM
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How is Kuznetsov a prospect?
Because on this board the term prospect actually means NHL prospect. Until he plays a decent amount of NHL games he will be an NHL prospect for the most part.

Obviously veteran European players stop being prospects at some point, the Calder eligibility date IMO, but Kuznetsov has a while to go before he reaches that point.

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12-01-2013, 01:03 PM
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Any hfb poster can call him a prospect (which is ok here). But I don't agree he is one in real life.
the list of players dubbed the "best player outside the NHL" and failing in the NHL is long. Until he is a good player in the NHL, he isnt

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12-01-2013, 01:56 PM
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I am struggling to name even one best player outside the NHL, let alone anyone on the failed list. Alexander Volchkov!

Everyone defines prospect differently and I for one do not follow the definition followed by HF. European fans are not going to tie prospects to the NHL since many players they follow may have no interest in even playing here in our tiny rink.


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I am struggling to name even one best player outside the NHL, let alone anyone on the failed list. Alexander Volchkov!

Everyone defines prospect differently and I for one do not follow the definition followed by HF. European fans are not going to tie prospects to the NHL since many players they follow may have no interest in even playing here in our tiny rink.
Jiri Dopita and the crappy Petr Sykora.

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12-01-2013, 07:02 PM
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Malkin carried the tag for a year or two....

If Kuz points up half of Malkin's totals I think we can call it a win.

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12-01-2013, 07:52 PM
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Just me who is starting to think that with the way Grabo has been playing his agent is going to ask for similar contract he had with Toronto?

Also checking the Islanders board last night some of their fans seem pretty unhappy with Vanek. Apparently he doesn't care that much about playing for them and could hit FA next summer.
well, this time Grabo got a bag of money behind from that buy-out, may be he won't be so greedy and takes a discount if he likes here.

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12-01-2013, 08:34 PM
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Orlov is also a victim of a numbers game here. Alzner Erskine Hillen and now Schmidt of late, Sarge before that, Corvo and Wideman before that... I think George struggles to develop prospects. He seems to prefer vets who may only be marginally better, at the expense of cheaper options, and an actual development program. Limiting the upside of players he needs to come through the most.

I heard Malkin telling S1d that he gets to come out of the locker room last, because he has more world championships. S1d conceded. Everything is different when you cross the Atlantic.
The Malkin/Crosby thing is because Malkin had played professional hockey (Russian Super League), Crosby hadn't

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12-01-2013, 09:36 PM
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Schmidt, Carrick, Bowey, Orlov, Schilling, and Djoos all have NHL potential (four of them already have NHL appearances). I'd say both Carrick and Orlov have top pairing upside if they play to their potential).
The purpose of my comment was based on someone wanting a forward prospect for Orlov. So he wasn't being considered in the prospect pool.

Carrick has top pair potential? Wow. Ok. That's pretty enthusiastic, but alright.

From where I sit, if the Caps trade Orlov (with Erat), then they are bereft of top pairing prospects. Carrick is at best middle pair. I think he's too small to ever log top pair minutes.

But we can disagree on that one.

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12-01-2013, 09:50 PM
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Kuznetsov and Latta aside why?

What do you see as Bowey's, Carrick's, Barber's, Burakowsky's, and Schmidt's ceilings and why?

Since I would guess you haven't seen much of anyone of them besides Schmidt play do you really feel you've seen enough of Schmidt to make that determination? I mean college hockey to a handful of AHL games to 20+ NHL games is a decent leap in quality of competition in not that much time. I think most would have said a full season in Hershey would have been the preferred developmental approach for him but the injuries to Hillen and Erskine and Oates' unwillingness until yesterday anyway to give Orlov a chance has altered that.
Mostly small samples for all, and hardly anything for Bowey and Burakowsky.

Carrick looks too small to be a top pair. He may cap out at 200lbs or so. At 5'10". He will be hard pressed to log 25+min a game! from where I sit.

Bowey could surprise me.

Barber looks like a decent player. But prob not top 6. I saw him play for the US team. I like him. Maybe he can be 2nd line. But I doubt it.

Burakowsky may have the highest ceiling, as he has a big frame. I was hoping he'd turn into a JVR type. Big, lanky, hopefully a good shot.

Will see.

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12-01-2013, 11:07 PM
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I was considering starting a new thread and maybe this question is thread worthy. Don't know. If a mod thinks so please start it as a thread so it does not get buried.

My question is which teams have an overall better defence corps than the Caps do? You could also go the other way and list the teams that are worse than the Caps.

For example these are the Anaheim Ducks D. Are they better than the Caps?

55 BRYAN ALLEN 6' 5" 224 AUG 21, 1980 33 KINGSTON, ON, CAN
23 FRANCOIS BEAUCHEMIN ** 6' 1" 207 JUN 4, 1980 33 SOREL, QC, CAN
28 MARK FISTRIC 6' 2" 230 JUN 1, 1986 27 EDMONTON, AB, CAN
4 CAM FOWLER 6' 1" 207 DEC 5, 1991 21 WINDSOR, ON, CAN
51 ALEX GRANT 6' 4" 205 JAN 20, 1989 24 ANTIGONISH, NS, CAN
47 HAMPUS LINDHOLM 6' 3" 197 JAN 20, 1994 19 HELSINGBORG, SWE
6 BEN LOVEJOY 6' 2" 205 FEB 20, 1984 29 CONCORD, NH, USA
5 LUCA SBISA ** 6' 2" 198 JAN 30, 1990 23 OZIERI, ITA
44 SHELDON SOURAY 6' 4" 231 JUL 13, 1976 37 ELK POINT, AB, CAN
45 SAMI VATANEN 5' 10" 183 JUN 3, 1991 22 JYVÄSKYLÄ, FIN
40 NOLAN YONKMAN 6' 6" 247 APR 1, 1981 32 PUNNICHY, SK, CAN


Anaheim has 11 D listed not sure why so many.

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Boston's D

43 MATT BARTKOWSKI 6' 1" 196 JUN 4, 1988 25 PITTSBURGH, PA, USA
55 JOHNNY BOYCHUK 6' 2" 225 JAN 19, 1984 29 EDMONTON, AB, CAN
33 ZDENO CHARA "C" 6' 9" 255 MAR 18, 1977 36 TRENCIN, SVK
27 DOUGIE HAMILTON 6' 5" 212 JUN 17, 1993 20 TORONTO, ON, CAN
47 TOREY KRUG 5' 9" 181 APR 12, 1991 22 LIVONIA, MI, USA
54 ADAM MCQUAID 6' 5" 209 OCT 12, 1986 27 CHARLOTTETOWN, PE, CAN
44 DENNIS SEIDENBERG 6' 1" 210 JUL 18, 1981 32 SCHWENNINGEN, DEU

If Boston did not have Chara would they be getter than Caps?


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12-02-2013, 12:40 AM
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Funny how no one on here talks about Edler, Girardi, Orpik, or Stralman, but God forbid you say Klesla sucks.


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On the main board, vancouver fans overrate their players so bad, one guy proposed erat, kuz, first round pick for elder. What a joke.

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If Boston did not have Chara would they be getter than Caps?
Yes, not really close IMO.

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On the main board, vancouver fans overrate their players so bad, one guy proposed erat, kuz, first round pick for elder. What a joke.
Fans of canadian based team almost always do. Toronto fans seem to be the most reasonable of the bunch over the years and thats saying something.

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Carrick looks too small to be a top pair. He may cap out at 200lbs or so. At 5'10". He will be hard pressed to log 25+min a game! from where I sit.

Bowey could surprise me.

Barber looks like a decent player. But prob not top 6. I saw him play for the US team. I like him. Maybe he can be 2nd line. But I doubt it.

Burakowsky may have the highest ceiling, as he has a big frame. I was hoping he'd turn into a JVR type. Big, lanky, hopefully a good shot.
I don't necessarily disagree with you on any of those. Now what do you see as Schmidt's ceiling?

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I am struggling to name even one best player outside the NHL, let alone anyone on the failed list. Alexander Volchkov!

Everyone defines prospect differently and I for one do not follow the definition followed by HF. European fans are not going to tie prospects to the NHL since many players they follow may have no interest in even playing here in our tiny rink.
Volchkov was only good in the OHL. No surprise he couldn't even stick in RSL/KHL.
Roman Cervenka is one that comes to mind.

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12-02-2013, 09:53 AM
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Cervenka was never considered the best player outside the NHL.
The opposite process, when a players that couldn't make it in the NHL prove themselves in Europe, is much more common: Morozov, Dallman etc. But there's not one "best player outside the NHL" who failed in the NHL in recent memory.

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So is Erbom banished now in favor of the guy that wants traded?

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