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12-04-2013, 10:28 PM
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He always does. Erat acquired around 5 pm on deadline day. Nylander whom he still hasn't traded lol. Holds out on Schultz forever. I wonder wtf he really does all day sometimes.
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Thought you guys might be interested in this.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey-central-at-noon/

On today's podcast (12/4), Jeff Marek says the teams most interested in Kulikov are Washington and Colorado, and mentioned Erat's name. It starts around 8 minutes.

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12-04-2013, 11:00 PM
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Thought you guys might be interested in this.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey-central-at-noon/

On today's podcast (12/4), Jeff Marek says the teams most interested in Kulikov are Washington and Colorado, and mentioned Erat's name. It starts around 8 minutes.
Would love to have him, but there is no way I see Erat being traded for Kulikov. Don't think Florida wants to trade aging vet for young guy, and don't see Erat waiving his NMC/NTC to go there.

Although the higher cap hit compared to salary might be enticing for FLA. Throw in a pick and maybe this happens

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I've also heard Kulikov is in the doghouse and could be trade bait.

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Thought you guys might be interested in this.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey-central-at-noon/

On today's podcast (12/4), Jeff Marek says the teams most interested in Kulikov are Washington and Colorado, and mentioned Erat's name. It starts around 8 minutes.
Now this is interesting. Thanks for the link.

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12-05-2013, 12:42 AM
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I'm all for getting Kulikov cause I'm a sucker for huge potential but he needs serious mentoring and development. We don't even have someone to mentor Green.

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Strachan sent down...Wey called up.

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Strachan sent down...Wey called up.
My first thought is waiver rules. After how many games do we have to put Strachan on waivers to send him back down? He's at 9 GP right now. I know Wey has played well of late, but it's only 7 AHL games for him. He looked awful in the preseason and started in Reading for a reason. He may just be a warm body #4RD so we can hang into Strachan. Especially given the Kundratek injury and wanting to keep Carrick in a lineup rather than the press box.

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12-05-2013, 10:15 AM
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My first thought is waiver rules. After how many games do we have to put Strachan on waivers to send him back down? He's at 9 GP right now. I know Wey has played well of late, but it's only 7 AHL games for him. He looked awful in the preseason and started in Reading for a reason. He may just be a warm body #4RD so we can hang into Strachan. Especially given the Kundratek injury and wanting to keep Carrick in a lineup rather than the press box.
The reason he was sent down to Reading was to get him playing. He wasn't going to make Strachan Orlov Schilling Kundratek Brouillette etc. sit. What also hurt him is that he is more defensive minded and wasn't going to bump a PMD out of the lineup. At the beginning of the year guys like Kolomatis and Wellar weren't even getting in games. Wey had a good camp with Hershey and made the team.

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12-05-2013, 10:36 AM
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Yeah, with Kulikov and Orlov as 2-3 LD we'd look way more solid.
The problem is what Halpy stated...

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12-05-2013, 11:26 AM
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Meh on Kulikov. We already have Orlov and Schmidt, Kulikov is more of the same. We don't need a young, promising LHD. We need a proven, reliable top-4 LHD. Kulikov is not that, certainly not at this point in his career.

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12-05-2013, 11:54 AM
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Meh on Kulikov. We already have Orlov and Schmidt, Kulikov is more of the same. We don't need a young, promising LHD. We need a proven, reliable top-4 LHD. Kulikov is not that, certainly not at this point in his career.
I agree. Kulikov might end up being a very good defenseman but I don't think he's got much on either Schmidt or Orlov, and they're all around the same age. He's more mature just because he's played in the NHL longer but I don't know whether he would improve our defense today.

Urbom played admirably given his chance but if the bridge hasn't been burned, Orlov should get the 3LD.

It's going to be interesting if/when Erskine comes back.

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12-05-2013, 12:09 PM
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I agree. Kulikov might end up being a very good defenseman but I don't think he's got much on either Schmidt or Orlov, and they're all around the same age. He's more mature just because he's played in the NHL longer but I don't know whether he would improve our defense today.

Urbom played admirably given his chance but if the bridge hasn't been burned, Orlov should get the 3LD.

It's going to be interesting if/when Erskine comes back.
Good point. I look at the age and experience. Personally, I rather have a physical top four guy, but every team is looking for those. Gudbrandson is a better option, but that won't be happening.

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12-05-2013, 01:21 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if we acquired Kulikov that the main piece going the other way would be Orlov.

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Meh on Kulikov. We already have Orlov and Schmidt, Kulikov is more of the same. We don't need a young, promising LHD. We need a proven, reliable top-4 LHD. Kulikov is not that, certainly not at this point in his career.
Kulikov and his 232 NHL games is more of the same than Orlov and Schmidt and their 91 combined?

I don't see it. Kulikov is much more proven and reliable an LD than anyone in the organization outside of Alzner. You're severely undervaluing him.


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Kulikov and his 232 NHL games is more of the same than Orlov and Schmidt and their 91 combined?

I don't see it. Kulikov is much more proven and reliable and LD than anyone in the organization outside of Alzner. You're severely undervaluing him.
I'm of the same opinion, actual game experience cannot be undervalued. With that said, I also agree that a larger, more physical player would be the ideal acquisition but I still think Kulikov has a lot to offer our team. He may have struggled at times this year, he's on a crappy team, in a crappy playing environment .... hard to get motivated for anything other than a paycheck in such circumstances.

I'm still high on Orlov but if the deal was prmarilty based on him and a pick or mid-term prospect I'd swing it.

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Good observation from the main boards that with Dale Tallon as the Fla. GM and he has shown interest in former Chicago players that were there when he was with that organization, hence Troy Brouwer going south for Kulikov.

I'd expand it if possible though and try to do something involving Kulikov and Flash coming north and Brouwer and Erat going south, perhaps include Urbom. Obtaining Kulikov might make the likes of Orlov be more content and McPhee ala with Fehr would be doing more of getting the band back together with Flash. Flash and Erat are both 4.5 salaries for another year.

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Kulikov and his 232 NHL games is more of the same than Orlov and Schmidt and their 91 combined?

I don't see it. Kulikov is much more proven and reliable and LD than anyone in the organization outside of Alzner. You're severely undervaluing him.
In that case, we should clearly be targetting Hal Gill instead of Kulikov. Gill and his 1,105 is more than Kulikov, Orlov, and Schmidt and their 321 combined. He's much more proven and reliable than anyone in the organization outside of Alzner.

Give me a break. Kulikov is 23 and broke into the league young because of a terrible Panthers franchise. Is he better than Orlov and Schmidt? Yes, but the margin isn't dramatic enough to justify trading the assets it would take to acquire Kulikov. He's not the 2LD answer, not even close. He's a young, inconsistent PMD who makes mental mistakes and needs to improve his defensive zone coverage. We have that in spades.

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Good observation from the main boards that with Dale Tallon as the Fla. GM and he has shown interest in former Chicago players that were there when he was with that organization, hence Troy Brouwer going south for Kulikov.

I'd expand it if possible though and try to do something involving Kulikov and Flash coming north and Brouwer and Erat going south, perhaps include Urbom. Obtaining Kulikov might make the likes of Orlov be more content and McPhee ala with Fehr would be doing more of getting the band back together with Flash. Flash and Erat are both 4.5 salaries for another year.

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IIRC, We can't trade Urbom without placing him on waivers first.

And Flash is an even bigger playoff ghost than Brouwer.

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In that case, we should clearly be targetting Hal Gill instead of Kulikov. Gill and his 1,105 is more than Kulikov, Orlov, and Schmidt and their 321 combined. He's much more proven and reliable than anyone in the organization outside of Alzner.

Give me a break. Kulikov is 23 and broke into the league young because of a terrible Panthers franchise. Is he better than Orlov and Schmidt? Yes, but the margin isn't dramatic enough to justify trading the assets it would take to acquire Kulikov. He's not the 2LD answer, not even close. He's a young, inconsistent PMD who makes mental mistakes and needs to improve his defensive zone coverage. We have that in spades.
Useful Gill comparison there. You know, since he's the same age, same type of player, and everything.

Kulikov's significantly better than Schmidt and Orlov, has a ton more NHL experience, and certainly provides abilities that the Caps lack. I'll take him in the defensive zone over anyone in the Caps' organization other than Alzner. He's be a very significant improvement. He's had a positive Relative Corsi every season he's been in the league, save one, on horrid Florida teams. His defensive inconsistency is overblown.

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IIRC, We can't trade Urbom without placing him on waivers first.

And Flash is an even bigger playoff ghost than Brouwer.
You really think that this team in it's current form is capable of getting beyond the first round if they even make the playoffs.

The Erat/Flash salaries are a wash, but Kulikov is currently making 1.1 less a season than Brouwer. Small amount but still anything helps with the cap.

Regards to Urbom, take him out of the deal and insert Michael "watch your step" Neuvirth. Roll with Grubauer as Holtby's back up for the rest of the season.


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In that case, we should clearly be targetting Hal Gill instead of Kulikov. Gill and his 1,105 is more than Kulikov, Orlov, and Schmidt and their 321 combined. He's much more proven and reliable than anyone in the organization outside of Alzner.
Give me a break. Kulikov is 23 and broke into the league young because of a terrible Panthers franchise. Is he better than Orlov and Schmidt? Yes, but the margin isn't dramatic enough to justify trading the assets it would take to acquire Kulikov. He's not the 2LD answer, not even close. He's a young, inconsistent PMD who makes mental mistakes and needs to improve his defensive zone coverage. We have that in spades.
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Useful Gill comparison there. You know, since he's the same age, same type of player, and everything.

Kulikov's significantly better than Schmidt and Orlov, has a ton more NHL experience, and certainly provides abilities that the Caps lack. I'll take him in the defensive zone over anyone in the Caps' organization other than Alzner. He's be a very significant improvement. He's had a positive Relative Corsi every season he's been in the league, save one, on horrid Florida teams. His defensive inconsistency is overblown.
I hope you mean LD's only because there is absolutely zero chance Kulikov is better defensively than Carlson. Not been very impressed with what i've seen from him this season but i'd definitely be willing to trade for him.

Would prefer deal around Brouwer and Kulikov rather than moving Orlov though.

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