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Van - Det (Chris Tanev for Gustav Nyquist)

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11-28-2013, 12:08 PM
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Van - Det (Chris Tanev for Gustav Nyquist)



Gustav Nyquist



Chris Tanev

Like the title says, an offense for defense swap of two promising young players with lots of upside. Similar cap hits and ages, helps both teams.

Detroit gets a young top 4 defender who can continue to grow his game and plug a hole both currently and in the future.

Vancouver gets a young talented forward that they can give an opportunity to play in the top 6 to. He's also not 18 so he would be able to step in and start contributing sooner than later.

Win - Win for both sides. Stings for either fan base to give up this player. Fair deal.

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11-28-2013, 12:12 PM
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I'd rather not.

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Nucks add imo.

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Nyquist is the best young forward we've had since Zetterberg/Datsyuk. You're not getting him for anything less than a (large) overpayment or as part of a bigger package for bonafide 1st liner/top3 dman (e.g. Ryan, Eberle, Edler.).

Also, Nyquist is currently playing on the Wings' first line, so it's not like he's not getting his opportunity here. And he's got 4 pts in 4 games, so he's showing he belongs.


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Nyquist is here to stay. Playing with Zetterberg and Franzen on the top line and playing really well. Though I do like Tanev as a player and think he'd fit great in Detroit.

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Not to mention the Wings' need is on offense anyways; we need a top 2-3 dman more than we need more #3-5 dmen (which Tanev would be, he's not going to displace Kronner or Ericsson as they play well together). What the Wings really need is to shed some of their dead weight (Cleary, Samuelsson, and Quincey), and play their own players. We've got a Tanev-esque guy in Ouellet (obviously Tanev is better right now, but Ouellet has good upside), who could fill a similar role if we ever manage to get rid of quincey.

Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Smith
Ouellet-Kindl

doesn't seem much different to me than

Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Smith
Tanev-Kindl

and for that reason i wouldnt give up nyquist for him.

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Not to mention the Wings' need is on offense anyways; we need a top 2-3 dman more than we need more #3-5 dmen (which Tanev would be, he's not going to displace Kronner or Ericsson as they play well together). What the Wings really need is to shed some of their dead weight (Cleary, Samuelsson, and Quincey), and play their own players. We've got a Tanev-esque guy in Ouellet (obviously Tanev is better right now, but Ouellet has good upside), who could fill a similar role if we ever manage to get rid of quincey.

Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Smith
Ouellet-Kindl

doesn't seem much different to me than

Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Smith
Tanev-Kindl

and for that reason i wouldnt give up nyquist for him.
So you're saying that for a trade to work it would need to be a bigger upgrade, it couldn't be a lateral movement?

Edler perhaps?

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So you're saying that for a trade to work it would need to be a bigger upgrade, it couldn't be a lateral movement?

Edler perhaps?
Yep I would consider moving Nyquist for Edler (not sure if other Wings fans would though), just wouldn't trade him for a lateral move esp. on D because we already have enough good D prospects that can fill a Tanev-type role.

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I'd do it easily.

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So you're saying that for a trade to work it would need to be a bigger upgrade, it couldn't be a lateral movement?

Edler perhaps?
If I had any money to bet, Edler is the only Canuck Detroit would trade Nyquist for...

MAYBE Bieksa.

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If I had any money to bet, Edler is the only Canuck Detroit would trade Nyquist for...

MAYBE Bieksa.
Just for discussion's sake...

What would Wings/Canucks fans say to:

Edler + 2nd for Nyquist + Pulkkinen + Quincey + 1st

I don't know if it's good or bad, just threw it out there.

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If I had any money to bet, Edler is the only Canuck Detroit would trade Nyquist for...

MAYBE Bieksa.
Ok would this work then:

Edler for Nyquist + 2nd round pick/B Prospect?

I think this undervalues Edler, but I realize that over payment for Nyquist would probably be likely/needed.

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Just for discussion's sake...

What would Wings/Canucks fans say to:

Edler + 2nd for Nyquist + Pulkkinen + Quincey + 1st

I don't know if it's good or bad, just threw it out there.
I'd strongly consider it.

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Ok would this work then:

Edler for Nyquist + 2nd round pick/B Prospect?
Depends on the other prospect.

And you'd have to add in a cap dump on our end.

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Just for discussion's sake...

What would Wings/Canucks fans say to:

Edler + 2nd for Nyquist + Pulkkinen + Quincey + 1st

I don't know if it's good or bad, just threw it out there.
I would do this trade. I actually like it quite a bit.

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I would only trade Edler for a proven top 6 forward, Nyquist definitely isn't that.

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The only place besides Detroit the Wings could possibly be dumb enough to send Nyqvist is Grand Rapids. And they already tried that lol.. the guy is going to double his trade value this year just watch.

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Just for discussion's sake...

What would Wings/Canucks fans say to:

Edler + 2nd for Nyquist + Pulkkinen + Quincey + 1st

I don't know if it's good or bad, just threw it out there.
I'd do the two prospects plus a first for Edler. But not paying for your dead weight contract. You can keep those and deal elsewhere for cap relief. Not our problem.

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I would only trade Edler for a proven top 6 forward, Nyquist definitely isn't that.
No, but if you watch hockey and use common sense you can kinda figure it out...

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I'd do the two prospects plus a first for Edler. But not paying for your dead weight contract. You can keep those and deal elsewhere for cap relief. Not our problem.
Well then maybe you can retain salary on Edler because that's the only way this trade is working....

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I would only trade Edler for a proven top 6 forward, Nyquist definitely isn't that.
Nuckles I agree with your point, however I think you will be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't think Nyquist is ready to step up

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I would only trade Edler for a proven top 6 forward, Nyquist definitely isn't that.
If Vancouver decides to move Edler, obviously there would be a lot of suitors. Detroit among them. They wont want a top 6 forward and we can argue if Nyquist already is that, but it would be a deal to build on. Nyquist, one of the D prospects and a #1 sounds about right. Whether that D prospect is Oullet, Jensen, etc, who knows, but that's the type of return Edler will get.

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No, but if you watch hockey and use common sense you can kinda figure it out...



Well then maybe you can retain salary on Edler because that's the only way this trade is working....
Until he proves his potential, that's all it is.
Vancouver isn't willing to eat salary at all. So in essence there is no deal to be made. We don't wat your crap garbage overpaid dead weight contracts.

You want quality players you pay with quality. Pretty simple. As you say. Using common sense can be your friend.

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Until he proves his potential, that's all it is.
Err... He's kinda doing that right now.

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Vancouver isn't willing to eat salary at all. So in essence there is no deal to be made. We don't wat your crap garbage overpaid dead weight contracts.
Well then there's no deal to be made.

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You want quality players you pay with quality. Pretty simple. As you say. Using common sense can be your friend.
Ahh yes, roster players are never traded for prospects!


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No reason for DET to do this, and all the reason in the world for VAN to do it.

Where each player stands right now, this season, you have yourself a situation where the value isn't terribly slanted but Vancouver would still need to add. I'm not sure where it goes from here, Tanev is looking like he's headed in the direction of a top pairing defenseman whereas Nyquist is looking to be developing into a 1st line forward; at worst each player ends up a single ranking below that.

There is no way DET fans agree to this deal, they are emotionally invested in Nyquist and DET has put in a good deal of time developing him. Tanev on the other hand is expendable in the minds of VAN fans, as we saw what Corrado could do in the playoffs last season and believe he could easily replace Tanev. So ya... I don't see a deal to be made at all around Nyquist.

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I would only trade Edler for a proven top 6 forward, Nyquist definitely isn't that.
I would work a deal around Nyquist and a 1st for Edler. To me Nyquist seems like he's a lock to be a top 6 forward, we just aren't sure how good of one yet. His floor, to me, is a 50 point 2nd liner. We need to look at deals that will help us this season and into the future, next season I feel will be a season to go all in. Nyquist could be an important building block to that.

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