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12-03-2013, 04:24 PM
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Perhaps general manager Lou Lamoriello needs to obtain some offense via a trade.

“I don’t know,” Elias said, “but it sure would help to create more scoring. Obviously it’s on us that are here right now.”
Elias dropping a hint to Lou?

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12-03-2013, 04:30 PM
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Hes like jesus ****ing christ im 38 years old and me and a 41 year old are carrying this offense

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12-03-2013, 04:48 PM
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Is Chere trying to stir the pot again?

I really wonder how that question was put to Patty. Did he really say ''Perhaps Lou should acquire someone through a trade?''

All I know is that was the second time in a week that a player on the team made a comment like that about the scoring. Last week it was Marty saying that they're kind of used to not scoring at this point.

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12-03-2013, 04:49 PM
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Lou's hands are tied it's too early in the season to trade for a impact forward.

He could go get another 2nd/3rd line tweener but we have plenty of those.

Not having the 1st round pick doesn't help either.

A guy like Boyes,Matthias,Fleischman etc etc are realistic options...not overly appealing.

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12-03-2013, 04:55 PM
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Lou's hands are tied it's too early in the season to trade for a impact forward.

He could go get another 2nd/3rd line tweener but we have plenty of those.

Not having the 1st round pick doesn't help either.

A guy like Boyes,Matthias,Fleischman etc etc are realistic options...not overly appealing.
It's also hard to tell if those guys will be non factors here, the way Ryder has for about a month, and Brunner for well over a month now.

I think we'll see an Albany call up pretty soon before anything happens. Whitney or possibly Boucher. I'm not for calling up Boucher at all this year, but it is possible with the way Merrill was brought in.

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12-03-2013, 05:13 PM
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I know we are close to the 8th seed and have had a lot of injuries but it is clear has day that we need an offensive jump.

We can't really afford to wait to the deadline to make any trades, I think we need to do it now so that they can find chemistry quickly and hopefully the team puts together a strong 2nd half of the year.

Erat and Tlusty are apparently on the block, we should be really interested in acquiring them now.

I would offer Brunner for Tlusty.

Tedenby + Josefson for Erat.

Or vice versa.

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12-03-2013, 05:18 PM
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I know we are close to the 8th seed and have had a lot of injuries but it is clear has day that we need an offensive jump.

We can't really afford to wait to the deadline to make any trades, I think we need to do it now so that they can find chemistry quickly and hopefully the team puts together a strong 2nd half of the year.

Erat and Tlusty are apparently on the block, we should be really interested in acquiring them now.

I would offer Brunner for Tlusty.

Tedenby + Josefson for Erat.

Or vice versa.
Yikes no thanks.

Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic won't help the offense. What they need is dynamic talent. Parise/Kovy type talent. Not more Brunners and Ryders. Of course you don't just go out and pick up that kind of player from waivers. They need to hold on to the few forward prospects they have and just draft really well for the next few years. There really are no trades available that will make this team a real contender.

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12-03-2013, 05:30 PM
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Ryder or Brunner for Erat
Or Fayne if they're looking for D

All of the Czechs! - Erat did well in Nashville maybe Washington isn't working.

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12-03-2013, 08:15 PM
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Ryder or Brunner for Erat
Or Fayne if they're looking for D

All of the Czechs! - Erat did well in Nashville maybe Washington isn't working.
Get Havlat from San Jose too

IN: Czechs - Erat and Havlat
OUT: Swedes - Josefson and Tedenby

If only

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12-03-2013, 08:55 PM
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Havlat blows at this point. Have you seen him this year with San Jose? He looks like he's done.

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12-03-2013, 09:02 PM
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We need a game changer, that's for sure. Imagine if we had someone like Bobby Ryan? The merc would make our offense better, it's sad but true

Hopefully we can see what we have in Clowe soon. He probably won't come storming out of the gate or anything.. But we need a new face or two on offense to replace the Sestito's, Janssen's and Gionta's)

There are many many upgrades over them.

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12-03-2013, 09:05 PM
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Putting aside them his system and do they have the right players argument aside for a moment, I just don't think generally PDB is a good offensive coach. Putting the first season aside, which was ok offensively due more to the talent available, too many goal drought stretches, too many slumping players last season and on to this season. He doesn't seem to know how to coach players how to get out of slumps, how to work on technique, nor do the current assistants for that matter. Subsequently, not very good at coaching up young forwards.

 
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We need a game changer, that's for sure. Imagine if we had someone like Bobby Ryan? The merc would make our offense better, it's sad but true
Remember if we had Kovalchuk, we wouldn't have Jagr. This same lineup with Kovalchuk but no Jagr would probably be the same.

Unless we got the 11-12 Kovalchuk. The 2013 Kovalchuk was on pace for an identical amount of points at the current Jagr is. It could very well have been that Kovalchuk played with little to no heart last year. And that he is still much better than he was for us last year.

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12-03-2013, 09:08 PM
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Putting aside them his system and do they have the right players argument aside for a moment, I just don't think generally PDB is a good offensive coach. Putting the first season aside, which was ok offensively due more to the talent available, too many goal drought stretches, too many slumping players last season and on to this season. He doesn't seem to know how to coach players how to get out of slumps, how to work on technique, nor do the current assistants for that matter. Subsequently, not very good at coaching up young forwards.
I think I'm one of the biggest PDB critics on here. I really would like to point fingers at guys like Ryder and Brunner for not pulling their weight. I have been pointing fingers at them.

There's just been a lot of people lately who have said they think this system/coach has been a problem for some of these players. I really can't disagree. Why did Brunner look like a superstar the first few games, now he looks like a bum? Why did Ryder suck for the entire month of November? I think it's fair to look at it from all angles. Like you said, there's a lot of goal droughts/slumping players.

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Remember if we had Kovalchuk, we wouldn't have Jagr. This same lineup with Kovalchuk but no Jagr would probably be the same.

Unless we got the 11-12 Kovalchuk. The 2013 Kovalchuk was on pace for an identical amount of points at the current Jagr is. It could very well have been that Kovalchuk played with little to no heart last year. And that he is still much better than he was for us last year.
You're right. I saw a replay somewhere of the last game of the season against the Rangers and he was floating horribly. Just watching the rangers score. Clearly didn't care at that point. If he didn't want to be here I would rather have Jags that actually wants to play and do well.

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You're right. I saw a replay somewhere of the last game of the season against the Rangers and he was floating horribly. Just watching the rangers score. Clearly didn't care at that point. If he didn't want to be here I would rather have Jags that actually wants to play and do well, while having fun.

By seeing that, and looking back.. Kovy wasn't having fun anymore.
I'm not sure what to think anymore about how he was last year. On one hand he was playing with crappy players, and still had the best PPG on the team I believe. On the other hand he just didn't look like an elite player that could carry a team.

And he had many goal droughts last year as well. There's that goal drought thing again that Semak was just talking about. There's been a lot of that going on since the 12-13 season.

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12-03-2013, 09:18 PM
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I think I'm one of the biggest PDB critics on here. I really would like to point fingers at guys like Ryder and Brunner for not pulling their weight. I have been pointing fingers at them.

There's just been a lot of people lately who have said they think this system/coach has been a problem for some of these players. I really can't disagree. Why did Brunner look like a superstar the first few games, now he looks like a bum? Why did Ryder suck for the entire month of November? I think it's fair to look at it from all angles. Like you said, there's a lot of goal droughts/slumping players.
Exactly. It's easy to blame the players for not scoring. Brunner being only in his second season in the NHL is still unproven so he could possibly not be a consistent NHL scorer. But put him aside, it's just too many players all of sudden can't score at all. Zilch, nada, bupkis. It's a conspiracy I tell ya!

 
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Exactly. It's easy to blame the players for not scoring. Brunner being only in his second season in the NHL is still unproven so he could possibly not be a consistent NHL scorer. But put him aside, it's just too many players all of sudden can't score at all. Zilch, nada, bupkis. It's a conspiracy I tell ya!
I think Loktionov has really regressed. Like Brunner, is also unproven and doesn't have a lot to go by. So maybe he's not a consistent scorer either. Maybe he was playing over his head last year. I rarely ever see him use that shot anymore. I thought he had a nice snipe last season. This year he's scored just one with it. And the other was on a rebound.

This incompetent 4th line really isn't helping either. Wish we could go back to a more skilled 4th line, but we can't even get good production out of the 3rd line.

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Lokti, Teddy, JJ, Brunner, all look lost. Not a coincidence me thinks. Which is probably why PDB is more comfortable playing the grinder, no natural O talent types. He's killing JJ after a very nice pre-season.

Get PDB out and bring in a guy who can actually teach before they trade the only semblance of forward prospects they have. Because right now, they are basically un-tradable or getting you little to no return anyway.

 
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You know who would be PERFECT coaching this group? Brent Sutter.

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I think it is ludicrous to think that a change of coach is magically going to make these plumbers start scoring. Whilst keeping the goals against where they are.

You have players like Josefson, Bernier, Carter, Loktionov, Gionta who score rarely or never.
You have Brunner, Zajac, Henrique, Ryder, Zubrus who will put up some points if put in the right line situation.
You have Jagr and Elias who seem to accumulate, but Jagr is the only one who can dominate most shifts and Elias can be notorious for failing to score on A+ looks.

If we got Babcock in here, do you honestly think we would score 2 more goals a game?
(whom by the way, most Red Wings fans hate, because . . . . he plays his vets over his skilled young guys too much. Funny that)

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I dont' really think there is much of an excuse for the middle lines to be this ineffective. These guys all have the talent to contribute but they are all floating space junk.

Even a top flight new forward wouldn't fix this because we would STILL have zero secondary scoring.

These guys, Ryder, Brunner, Henrique, Loki, Clowe (when he returns) and even Elias need to step up because the only guys playing good hockey right now are Zubs, Zajac and Jagr.

Well them and the blue line.

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You know who would be PERFECT coaching this group? Brent Sutter.
Not with all the Eastern Europeans around, he never got along with Elias/Zubrus and was accused by some (Dom Hasek) of being ethnocentric.

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I think it is ludicrous to think that a change of coach is magically going to make these plumbers start scoring. Whilst keeping the goals against where they are.

You have players like Josefson, Bernier, Carter, Loktionov, Gionta who score rarely or never.
You have Brunner, Zajac, Henrique, Ryder, Zubrus who will put up some points if put in the right line situation.
You have Jagr and Elias who seem to accumulate, but Jagr is the only one who can dominate most shifts and Elias can be notorious for failing to score on A+ looks.

If we got Babcock in here, do you honestly think we would score 2 more goals a game?
(whom by the way, most Red Wings fans hate, because . . . . he plays his vets over his skilled young guys too much. Funny that)
I'm throwing the idea out there that its possibly not all on the players. This team has been slumping offensively for two seasons now. And young players who have shown potential in the past all of sudden can't buy playing time and look totally lost in the two minutes they get to play. Never been a Teddy fan but even I have to admit that under JL he and JJ looked like they had the talent to contribute.

This team even if it sneaks in to the POs, is not a contender as is. So what's left? Play vets for mediocrity? Or start developing your young players for the future? I rather have the latter and it's not happening. Playing 4-5 minutes a night and wrecking their confidence is not development.

 
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Sutter would play an identical system to what we have right now. The one thing I did appreciate about him was when he made the team ride the bikes. He also didn't make excuses for his favorite players like Sutter does. Pete just isn't a good coach IMO. If he fails here, that's it as far as head coaching in the NHL goes. His resume is garbage.

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