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11-30-2013, 09:19 PM
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2014 Trade Deadline Thread (All General Deadline Talk/Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

Oilers fan coming in peace. I'm honestly not sure how much you value these players, so if you don't like the idea, I just hope you can respectfully say no. lol.

If Gagner gets back on track when he is completely healthy and continues to put up points, I was wondering if us trading him for Dubinksy or Anisimov would be in the cards? We could use a centerman with a bit more size and grit, and Gagner is still young and can maybe give you more of an offensive punch?

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Player Movement Thread (All Proposals, Speculation, Blog Rumors in here)

December is upon is, not quite time for a deadline thread, but seems time to have something for this sort of discussion...

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Oilers fan coming in peace. I'm honestly not sure how much you value these players, so if you don't like the idea, I just hope you can respectfully say no. lol.

If Gagner gets back on track when he is completely healthy and continues to put up points, I was wondering if us trading him for Dubinksy or Anisimov would be in the cards? We could use a centerman with a bit more size and grit, and Gagner is still young and can maybe give you more of an offensive punch?
The trouble is that two of the forwards you mention are part of what little offensive punch this team has. Trading them for Gagner wouldn't really get us anywhere. Add in the possibility of Dubinsky being captain of the CBJ and his intangibles, I just don't see it happening. As far as Anisimov goes, his upside is stronger to me than Gagner, and he's quite a bit less expensive. I don't think Gagner is the kind of forward the CBJ need at $5m.

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Would I trade one of them for Gagner? No ... would I trade Nikitin for him? Absolutely!

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Dubi? No. Anisimov? Yes.

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Would I trade one of them for Gagner? No ... would I trade Nikitin for him? Absolutely!
Gagner is making 4.8 million and scored 1 goal in 13 games this season. That would be a huge relieve for Umberger in terms of complains on these boards about his salary/quality. Even at his best Gagner is not a big upgrade at center over Anisimov or Dubinski. Offensively? May be. Overall? No.
And if you trade Gagner for Nikitin you get over the Cap.

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Gagner - 13 games, 6(1+5) points this season. 4.8 mil. for 3 years.
Anisimov - 25 games, 10(5+4) points. 3.3 mil. for 3 years.

He can't produce this season playing on the stacked Edmonton offense. What is he gonna do in Columbus?

 
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Gagner is making 4.8 million and scored 1 goal in 13 games this season. That would be a huge relieve for Umberger in terms of complains on these boards about his salary/quality. Even at his best Gagner is not a big upgrade at center over Anisimov or Dubinski. Offensively? May be. Overall? No.
And if you trade Gagner for Nikitin you get over the Cap.


Gagner - 13 games, 6(1+5) points this season. 4.8 mil. for 3 years.
Anisimov - 25 games, 10(5+4) points. 3.3 mil. for 3 years.

He can't produce this season playing on the stacked Edmonton offense. What is he gonna do in Columbus?
In defence of that... Gagner is slowly getting better, but he has really been struggling with the cage on. He plays with the puck in close to his body, and he is having a difficult time seeing it. Once the cage comes off, we expect to see his play improve.

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also do people notice that stacked Edmonton offense has 3 more goals then us and can thank Columbus for it

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Gagner is making 4.8 million and scored 1 goal in 13 games this season. That would be a huge relieve for Umberger in terms of complains on these boards about his salary/quality. Even at his best Gagner is not a big upgrade at center over Anisimov or Dubinski. Offensively? May be. Overall??
lol, yeah right.

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Gagner is making 4.8 million and scored 1 goal in 13 games this season. That would be a huge relieve for Umberger in terms of complains on these boards about his salary/quality. Even at his best Gagner is not a big upgrade at center over Anisimov or Dubinski. Offensively? May be. Overall? No.
And if you trade Gagner for Nikitin you get over the Cap.


Gagner - 13 games, 6(1+5) points this season. 4.8 mil. for 3 years.
Anisimov - 25 games, 10(5+4) points. 3.3 mil. for 3 years.

He can't produce this season playing on the stacked Edmonton offense. What is he gonna do in Columbus?
We can play with stats all day long if you want to, but gagner has produced at a higher level on a more consistent basis than artem. i dont think trading artem for sam will put us over the top, but it would give us more skill up front.

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lol, yeah right.
Great input. As usual very informative.

 
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also do people notice that stacked Edmonton offense has 3 more goals then us and can thank Columbus for it

And we can thank Toronto for having so many goals for. I hope you're not trying to say that the Jackets has as much offensive talent on the wing as the Oilers.

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We can play with stats all day long if you want to, but gagner has produced at a higher level on a more consistent basis than artem. i dont think trading artem for sam will put us over the top, but it would give us more skill up front.
And saying that Gagner produced at higher rate you're not playing with stats?

 
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Gagner is making 4.8 million and scored 1 goal in 13 games this season. That would be a huge relieve for Umberger in terms of complains on these boards about his salary/quality. Even at his best Gagner is not a big upgrade at center over Anisimov or Dubinski. Offensively? May be. Overall? No.
And if you trade Gagner for Nikitin you get over the Cap.
I love being lectured on posts that were entirely not serious. I guess not including the is my own fault.

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And we can thank Toronto for having so many goals for. I hope you're not trying to say that the Jackets has as much offensive talent on the wing as the Oilers.



And saying that Gagner produced at higher rate you're not playing with stats?
No. Its a pattern. Playing with stats is when you select a specific parameter to try and make a point.

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I love being lectured on posts that were entirely not serious. I guess not including the is my own fault.
Probably my sarcasm meter broke down when I was reading the Jackets game threads. I guess I can't tell when people are not serious any more.
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No. Its a pattern. Playing with stats is when you select a specific parameter to try and make a point.
We won't significantly improve the Jackets trading valuable assets for a guy who's slightly better than Brassard with a questionable feet speed, below average defensive play and who's struggling versus size:
http://oilersnation.com/2013/5/13/sam-gagner-vs-size

We wanna compete with the Bruins one day, right?

 
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probably off on value, but in Hockey News' rumor roundup they said Washington should look to Nikitin to pair with Mike Green...so i was thinking we help them out and they help us out...

Nikitin and Umberger

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Erat and Burakovsky

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probably off on value, but in Hockey News' rumor roundup they said Washington should look to Nikitin to pair with Mike Green...so i was thinking we help them out and they help us out...

Nikitin and Umberger

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Erat and Burakovsky
Rimmer's head would explode if the Jackets had Burakovsky and Bobrovsky.

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I was opposed to that proposal until you mentioned this.

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probably off on value, but in Hockey News' rumor roundup they said Washington should look to Nikitin to pair with Mike Green...so i was thinking we help them out and they help us out...

Nikitin and Umberger

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Erat and Burakovsky
I think its an excellent framework for a deal, though we'd have to retain substantial salary -- Umberger's contract has 4 years left, Erat's only two.

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I was opposed to that proposal until you mentioned this.
Agreed.

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my favorite thing about this board.... "i dislike it, but you'll have to figure out why i dislike it"

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my favorite thing about this board.... "i dislike it, but you'll have to figure out why i dislike it"
Since you didn't quote anyone, and since this post doesn't really make any sense absent context, I'll answer as though it was directed at my post, since it's possible the lack of explanation comes from the first half of my post above, and tell you we've been all through the Erat thing in a separate thread. Don't take it personally, though, unless you're Jeff Rimer, because the second part of my post was much more important than the first.

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Great input. As usual very informative.
You really don't read my posts much do you. I'm overly verbose. So don't pull that "as usual" nonsense. In this case; all I wanted to do was express my disagreement. Beyond that, I don't care to discuss that topic since you framed this year in a way that makes your point look good. It's misleading and very poor analysis.

Not worth the time.

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Since you didn't quote anyone, and since this post doesn't really make any sense absent context, I'll answer as though it was directed at my post, since it's possible the lack of explanation comes from the first half of my post above, and tell you we've been all through the Erat thing in a separate thread. Don't take it personally, though, unless you're Jeff Rimer, because the second part of my post was much more important than the first.
it was really more in jest due to the trade boards and how most posts do not have any rationale anymore for why something is bad...the trade was more in thought to they need a defensive dman, want to rid themselves of erat, and they have a good prospect that would be good for us to get in the pipeline...would be a way to get umby's contract off the books and give us a bit of flexibility...i understand many's desire to not obtain erat, but in this case, i feel the ends justify the means...

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