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12-02-2013, 04:19 PM
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Nyr/edm

To NYR:
Ales Hemsky (Half salary retained)
2nd round pick 2015

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MDZ


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12-02-2013, 04:25 PM
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We're not giving up a 23 year old defenseman under team control for multiple years and who has hit the 10 goal/40 point mark in return for an injury prone UFA rental who is playing at a .5 PPG pace.

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12-02-2013, 04:27 PM
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no.

I don't think this really helps us. Rangers could use a decent gritty forward, or skilled scorer, and Hemsky doesn't fit that. Adding a second is not enough for Del Zotto, who is an RFA.

I'd more more interested in a guy like Steve Ott from Buffalo.

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12-02-2013, 04:29 PM
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We're not giving up a 23 year old defenseman under team control for multiple years and who has hit the 10 goal/40 point mark in return for an injury prone UFA rental who is playing at a .5 PPG pace.
Doesn't seem to be going anywhere in Vigneault's system. Thought the trade would make sense with NY probably going for a run with so many impending free agents.

And Hemsky has probably been the Oilers' third best forward after Nuge and Perron this year. His two-way game is vastly underrated, and his point production is down given the number of guys that sit ahead of him in the depth chart.

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12-02-2013, 04:31 PM
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I don't think this really helps us. Rangers could use a decent gritty forward, or skilled scorer, and Hemsky doesn't fit that. Adding a second is not enough for Del Zotto, who is an RFA.

I'd more more interested in a guy like Steve Ott from Buffalo.
Hemsky isn't a skilled forward, but is a skilled playmaker. Could move up and down your top nine on the right side. Ott isn't a very good comparable as he would cost much more.

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12-02-2013, 04:33 PM
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Your forwards look great right now, but that's with every one of your wingers healthy. I should have prefaced this by making this a deadline deal if Hemsky stays healthy and Del Zotto continues to struggle.

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Don't wanna commit to this now. Maybe if we're in good position at the deadline.

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12-02-2013, 04:37 PM
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Don't wanna commit to this now. Maybe if we're in good position at the deadline.
Does value seem okay if my previous stated circumstances exist?

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12-02-2013, 04:40 PM
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Hemsky isn't a skilled forward, but is a skilled playmaker. Could move up and down your top nine on the right side. Ott isn't a very good comparable as he would cost much more.
We don't need playmakers. We have a number of them. The team lacks goalscorers. Hemsky solves absolutely nothing for the Rangers and certainly is not worth an asset like Del Zotto.

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Does value seem okay if my previous stated circumstances exist?
Not to me. Hemsky doesn't address a need and after the season ends, all the Rangers have to show for a 23 year-old, top four defenseman, former first round pick is 2nd round pick. And one that's not even in this year's draft.

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Del Zotto for Eberle

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I think with Stepan, MZA finding his game, as well as Richards looking a bit better, along with Brassard's pass-first game, we're set on playmakers. At the beginning of the season Hemsky might have been intriguing, but the real problem the Rangers have now is a lack of guys who can finish the creative plays we have going on.

I think NYR thought Pouliot could be that guy in a middle 6 role, but clearly it's not the case. He's had good opportunities, but he hasn't put it away. Kreider and Nash are making a good case for them to stay with Stepan on the first line, and if MZA can keep up his production on a different line, then we're certainly set with playmakers.

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12-02-2013, 04:47 PM
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Del Zotto is similar to Justin Schultz, only with more experience. Pass. The Oilers don't need any more puck movers.

If the Oilers can pry Girardi away without giving up one of the kids, then it's a different story.

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12-02-2013, 04:52 PM
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To NYR:
Ales Hemsky (Half salary retained)
2nd round pick 2015

To EDM:
MDZ
Ohhh, another Hemsky to NYR proposal. We've been seeing these threads numerous times a year since what, 2009?

Short answer: No.
Long answer: **** no.

Do. Not. Want. Hemsky. Not @50% salary. Not with a pick. And especially not for Del Zotto.

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If the Oilers can pry Girardi away without giving up one of the kids, then it's a different story.
They can't. So, the story ends right then and there.

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I'd do this. (Oilers fan)

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12-02-2013, 04:56 PM
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Del Zotto is similar to Justin Schultz, only with more experience. Pass. The Oilers don't need any more puck movers.

If the Oilers can pry Girardi away without giving up one of the kids, then it's a different story.
the only way that happens is the Oilers would have to give up their 1st round pick this year and a few prospects like Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Travis Ewanyk

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12-02-2013, 05:07 PM
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No NOT EVER on Hemsky.

If you want MDZ, fine, the more bidders the better.
Want to possibly/possibly not include Girardi, also fine.

Acceptable stuff from your side (not including the big guns):
For MDZ only at least 1 of : 2014 Edm 1st, Yakupov, Justin Schultz

For Girardi also, then 2 of 2014 Edm 1st, Yakupov, Justin Schultz
and also at least 1 of Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Tyler Pitlick

If those prices are too high, we can do better.
We also have option to move Staal, and keep MDZ, who plays well on the left side.

And we can stand pat.


The more bidders the better. But you must decide to step up and outbid the competition.

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12-02-2013, 05:18 PM
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If those prices are too high, we can do better.
Quoted for Truth.

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No NOT EVER on Hemsky.

If you want MDZ, fine, the more bidders the better.
Want to possibly/possibly not include Girardi, also fine.

Acceptable stuff from your side (not including the big guns):
For MDZ only at least 1 of : 2014 Edm 1st, Yakupov, Justin Schultz

For Girardi also, then 2 of 2014 Edm 1st, Yakupov, Justin Schultz
and also at least 1 of Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Tyler Pitlick

If those prices are too high, we can do better.
We also have option to move Staal, and keep MDZ, who plays well on the left side.

And we can stand pat.


The more bidders the better. But you must decide to step up and outbid the competition.
didn't know mdz was a top 2 defenseman right now

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12-02-2013, 05:28 PM
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didn't know mdz was a top 2 defenseman right now
No, but he is a top-4 NHL dmen with a physical edge and 40point potential. And he's only 23. So he's worth a lot more than crap like Hemsky. Looking up and down the Oilers roster, who would you suggest we trade Del Zotto for?

And, riddle me this: Which team is going to move their top-pairing dmen for Shultz or Yak?

Right....

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12-02-2013, 05:33 PM
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No, but he is a top-4 NHL dmen with a physical edge and 40point potential. And he's only 23. So he's worth a lot more than crap like Hemsky. Looking up and down the Oilers roster, who would you suggest we trade Del Zotto for?
justin schultz would be a sideways move, THe first is all i would say, if that would do it. Im just saying that we aren't going to trade schultz for a lateral move. Yak has more value than Del Zotto. Right now i would say unless for the first which doesn't make sense for you this move for the players that would make sense for you won't happen because we don't want to give them up.

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12-02-2013, 05:44 PM
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the players that would make sense for you won't happen because we don't want to give them up.
Welcome to Hfboards. We want a player like <insert player> but we don't want to give up players we want.

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Welcome to Hfboards. We want a player like <insert player> but we don't want to give up players we want.
as for value i would say perron for del zotto

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the only way that happens is the Oilers would have to give up their 1st round pick this year and a few prospects like Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Travis Ewanyk
None of this makes sense. Their 1st round pick and a FEW prospects like Klefbom, Marincin and Ewanyk (one of which is not like the others)?

I'm sure the Oilers would LOVE giving that up for an unrestricted free agent.

Pretty to see who's the dreamer in that scenario.

Though of course, bernmeister always has to outdo everyone else with his incredibly generous "Girardi for Yakupov, Klefbom, and 1st" proposal.

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I think I'd rather go for Potter, Omark + 3rd for Callahan.. or that's probably too much from the Oilers.

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