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12-01-2013, 08:30 PM
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Reading comments on this board, I'm more concerned by the long-term viability of this franchise than the team making the playoffs or not

50% of the fanbase is ready to give up on the team that is 3 games under 0.500 after 27 games into the season. I'm pretty sure the Sens had a worst start in 2006-07...

But anyway, it's not the point. This team will eventually finish bottom-5 for a few years. This year or in 2 decades, it doesn't matter. The real question is : does this franchise has the fanbase to survive?

Does this franchise have an ownership that will allow it to survive is the question... I've watched and supported this team and been on the positive side of things for many many seasons. In 2006 I called into team1200 and said that this team would turn it around, even when others were absolutely off the chain. This is not that team... nor that ownership.

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I think Melnyk got carried away with how fans initially embraced the rebuild and supported the team after the loss of veterans like Kelly and Fisher.

But losing Alfie and claiming that the Sens are not going to pay for established players but stay in what sounds like a perennial rebuild without ever making a run for it was a step too far.

Players are not going to come here if we stick with young cheap players and never make a serious move to reach the next level and fans won't stick around either.
Is it possible the fans got carried away with the success the team had through the first two years of the rebuild and set unrealistic expectations for the team??

To my knowledge Melnyk never said he wouldn't pay for established players, what he has said consistently is the team will spend wisely and within reason.

The next level will be achieve when the kids start to play the game like veterans and the existing veterans are replaced with players like MacArthur.

Ryan, Turris, Zibanejad, Smith, Karlsson, Cowen, Weircoich, Boro, and Lehner are the foundation of the future, however they are young and inexperienced and it is going to take patience.

The problem with this edition of the Sens is a very young defense, and of equal concern is the play of Phillips, Spezza, Michalek, Neil, Condra and until recently Greening.

The veterans have been less than consistent or stellar.

I doubt many GMs are lining up with offers for most of these guys.

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Does this franchise have an ownership that will allow it to survive is the question... I've watched and supported this team and been on the positive side of things for many many seasons. In 2006 I called into team1200 and said that this team would turn it around, even when others were absolutely off the chain. This is not that team... nor that ownership.
Melnyk's ownership saved this team. The fact that fans are responding to this team being out of the playoffs and playing under expectations with threats to boycott the team worries me a lot more than Melnyk's finances.

If that cash flow stops, what's stopping Melnyk from just cutting his losses? This team could end up in a far worse situation should that occur.

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I have supported this team through thick and thin... this time is different.
How so?

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how so?
this time . . . It's personal

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ill never stop watching.....that being said i want to watch a better product.
Agreed.

While I don't see a reason to spend to the cap right now (as we are not a contender and the kids will need new contracts soon), I do think we should add a good $3-5 mil to the internal cap. Just enough to switch out one guy on the roster for a good all-around 3-4 defenseman. That's really what we need right now to stabilize the team.

After that, let the kids develop and see what we have in 2 years. Go from there cap wise and development wise if we look like we're close to being a top 8 team.

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I really don't care that we're losing. It's how we're losing. All I want to see is an effort. More then half the team looks like they don't give a ****. That's what pisses me off.

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Maybe the Sens just aren't good enough this yr & maybe no trade or spending more money will improve that. They can't replace everybody & I doubt one new player won't completely turn this team around. If they are going to get out of this funk it has to be the majority of the players we already have now that will have to do it.

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Melnyk's ownership saved this team. The fact that fans are responding to this team being out of the playoffs and playing under expectations with threats to boycott the team worries me a lot more than Melnyk's finances.

If that cash flow stops, what's stopping Melnyk from just cutting his losses? This team could end up in a far worse situation should that occur.

yep....and that new arena in the GTA is another step closer to becoming a reality. Whether folks want to admit it or not, that is a legitimate threat to the Ottawa Senators existence.

A boycot is the worst thing we. as fans, could do right now.

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Maybe the Sens just aren't good enough this yr & maybe no trade or spending more money will improve that. They can't replace everybody & I doubt one new player won't completely turn this team around. If they are going to get out of this funk it has to be the majority of the players we already have.
Absolutely. Some people want to dump Michalek for peanuts, to free up the dollars to trade even more valuable assets for a player that can't be expected to fix everything.

While i wouldn't object to bringing in another defenseman, like you said this team will decide if it makes a run this year with the players it has.

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How so?
How so? We had an ownership that was willing to do what it takes, we no longer have that ownership. We flirted with success for two seasons and this team does not even look like it wants to play most nights lately. I can defend a team when they are skating hard every night, I can defend an owner when he is trying to do everything it takes to win. But none of this is happening. I see a disinterested team and disinterested ownership, that will lead to a disinterested fan base.

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Melnyk's ownership saved this team. The fact that fans are responding to this team being out of the playoffs and playing under expectations with threats to boycott the team worries me a lot more than Melnyk's finances.

If that cash flow stops, what's stopping Melnyk from just cutting his losses? This team could end up in a far worse situation should that occur.
He played fast and loose with money, as well as made some illegal dealings. When he took this team over, I was a lot younger and could not see him for the weasel that he is. But right now he looks like an absolute weasel. Tell me why I should support a team or owner that is one more law suit from not existing. There are a lot of crazy owners out there, but Melnyk takes the cake.

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I'll never stop supporting the team and will never stop watching. We're lucky to have them and we'd end up doing like Nordiques fans and travel all over to campaign to get them back if we ever lost them.

It's not like Uncle Eug is sitting on his hands thinking this is a viable solution longterm. He got screwed over in the casino debacle, but I'm confident they're looking for ways to generate more revenue. By keeping an internal cap, Uncle Eug is making sure he keeps the team, and as long as he does, this team isn't going anywhere. I'll give him more time and hope it sorts itself out.

That being said, it hasn't been fun watching games this year. But we did more and were more fun to watch with a lesser team last year, so I'm hopeful things will turn around.

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Absolutely. Some people want to dump Michalek for peanuts, to free up the dollars to trade even more valuable assets for a player that can't be expected to fix everything.

While i wouldn't object to bringing in another defenseman, like you said this team will decide if it makes a run this year with the players it has.
If we are rebuilding, then get rid of Michalek who has not scored regularly in umpteen games... trade him for a defender and move Conacher onto the first line. But bloody well do something. It feels like this team is handcuffed... how many teams have made trades so far? I know the Oilers have tried to improve in small ways, through trading and signing. I have seen us call up a few players, not much else to make me feel like this team is going anywhere.

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How so? We had an ownership that was willing to do what it takes, we no longer have that ownership. We flirted with success for two seasons and this team does not even look like it wants to play most nights lately. I can defend a team when they are skating hard every night, I can defend an owner when he is trying to do everything it takes to win. But none of this is happening. I see a disinterested team and disinterested ownership, that will lead to a disinterested fan base.
So what's the proper response from ownership here? Just buy our way out the rebuild? Tell Murray to fix the team better?

Quite frankly, I don't think we can just suddenly spend money to fix the team, and I don't think we can just magically make trades to bring in top-money talent. We don't have the assets to be making those deals.

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He played fast and loose with money, as well as made some illegal dealings. When he took this team over, I was a lot younger and could not see him for the weasel that he is. But right now he looks like an absolute weasel. Tell me why I should support a team or owner that is one more law suit from not existing. There are a lot of crazy owners out there, but Melnyk takes the cake.
Because he saved our franchise?

If you're so convinced that Melnyk is a weasel and a *******, go support some team with an "honest owner." There isn't some magical lineup behind Melnyk of wealthy businessmen ready to buy up our team and arguing that we need to boycott the team to save it is a ridiculous argument.

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Maybe the Sens just aren't good enough this yr & maybe no trade or spending more money will improve that. They can't replace everybody & I doubt one new player won't completely turn this team around. If they are going to get out of this funk it has to be the majority of the players we already have now that will have to do it.
Well we seem to have a solid core on paper. A #1 and #2 centre, #1 dman who won the Norris 2 seasons ago, solid goaltending duo, and a legit #1 winger we just traded a big part of our future for. Sens fans can say rebuild all they want, but we have a decent core.

It's a complete waste that we're not taking advantage of this. There isn't a better time to acquire the few missing pieces we need. This is the worst part about Melnyk's financial situation. Spezza isn't getting any younger and hell, Ryan might not even re-sign if we're not going to spend the money to ice a competitive roster.


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I'll never stop supporting the team and will never stop watching. We're lucky to have them and we'd end up doing like Nordiques fans and travel all over to campaign to get them back if we ever lost them.

It's not like Uncle Eug is sitting on his hands thinking this is a viable solution longterm. He got screwed over in the casino debacle, but I'm confident they're looking for ways to generate more revenue. By keeping an internal cap, Uncle Eug is making sure he keeps the team, and as long as he does, this team isn't going anywhere. I'll give him more time and hope it sorts itself out.

That being said, it hasn't been fun watching games this year. But we did more and were more fun to watch with a lesser team last year, so I'm hopeful things will turn around.
I just want to see something happen... it seems like the entire team is sitting on its hands, owner on down.

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Does this franchise have an ownership that will allow it to survive is the question... I've watched and supported this team and been on the positive side of things for many many seasons. In 2006 I called into team1200 and said that this team would turn it around, even when others were absolutely off the chain. This is not that team... nor that ownership.
IMO fans of the Sens were spoiled by Melnyk's spending habits through the first 7 years of his ownership. He spent money like a drunken sailor in an attempt to win the SC, it didn't happen.

After several years of losing with high paid players he finally realized the answer for success isn't everyone else's castoffs, but selective trading and developing players through his organization.

The fan reaction was extremely positive, even mature, until the first signs of a struggle.

This team is trying hard, working hard, but they are young and make mistakes and those mistakes have been costly.

On the other side of the coin are wins over Detroit twice, Montreal, Boston and Washington. The talent is there it is just inconsistent.

Tonight the Sens played a solid game against a top team, they outshot and out chanced the Wings.

The difference in the game, Detroit made Ottawa pay for their mistakes.

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If we are rebuilding, then get rid of Michalek who has not scored regularly in umpteen games... trade him for a defender and move Conacher onto the first line. But bloody well do something. It feels like this team is handcuffed... how many teams have made trades so far? I know the Oilers have tried to improve in small ways, through trading and signing. I have seen us call up a few players, not much else to make me feel like this team is going anywhere.
Who is going to trade a solid top 4 defenseman for Michalek right now?

This isn't nhl14

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He played fast and loose with money, as well as made some illegal dealings. When he took this team over, I was a lot younger and could not see him for the weasel that he is. But right now he looks like an absolute weasel. Tell me why I should support a team or owner that is one more law suit from not existing. There are a lot of crazy owners out there, but Melnyk takes the cake.
Name one high-end millionaire/billionaire who didn't act like that. There is no way to amass that kind of money without screwing someone else over.

And looking at the history of owners in this league, Melynk is practically an alter boy next to a lot of them.

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So what's the proper response from ownership here? Just buy our way out the rebuild? Tell Murray to fix the team better?

Quite frankly, I don't think we can just suddenly spend money to fix the team, and I don't think we can just magically make trades to bring in top-money talent. We don't have the assets to be making those deals.



Because he saved our franchise?

If you're so convinced that Melnyk is a weasel and a *******, go support some team with an "honest owner." There isn't some magical lineup behind Melnyk of wealthy businessmen ready to buy up our team and arguing that we need to boycott the team to save it is a ridiculous argument.
He saved this team and so now he gets a free ticket? This team is viable if it is winning games, even if the roster looks ho hum like it did last season. It is not viable otherwise. Maybe Melnyk should have done what Daryl Katz did and feign moving this team to actually get the city councis attention I guess.

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I just want to see something happen... it seems like the entire team is sitting on its hands, owner on down.
I don't disagree with this, but I think its misguided to attack Melnyk for it. He can't just force a move and I don't think he's holding his purse strings tight just to spite the fans and the team. There's no reason for Melynk to want this team to struggle, it only reflects badly on him (as it does now.) The guy stepped in when the team needed it most, he spent to the cap for a number of years. If the guy just doesn't have the money, I'm not going to attack him for it. I'm sure he's doing all he can to make this a competitive team.

Only eight trades have been made since the season started, involving only eleven teams, of which only few involved talent of any notoriety. A lot of teams seem content to just sit on what they have and make internal changes when necessary.

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He saved this team and so now he gets a free ticket? This team is viable if it is winning games, even if the roster looks ho hum like it did last season. It is not viable otherwise. Maybe Melnyk should have done what Daryl Katz did and feign moving this team to actually get the city councis attention I guess.
Why would he do that? So people such as yourself could come online and attack him for it?

And yes, excuse me for believing that the guy who saved the franchise should deserve a bit of a break during his financial struggles.

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I just want to see something happen... it seems like the entire team is sitting on its hands, owner on down.
I also want this to get better, but not to the point where I'm willing to forget:

a) How great these players and this team can be
b) What Melnyk has done for the franchise and, consequently, us as fans.

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Who is going to trade a solid top 4 defenseman for Michalek right now?

This isn't nhl14
Heck, if we got a top 6 defender and a 7th round pick I would be happy. A solid top 6 defender would be better than what we have right now. We traded the rights to Gonchar for a 7th did we not?

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