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09-29-2003, 09:14 PM
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Who would you rather have, defensive combo's:

Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

That's all folks.. please rank them from best to worst afterwards.

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

The popular consensus will be Lidstrom/Hatcher but I will take Pronger and MacInnis. Pronger, when healthy, is more of an impact player than Lidstrom IMO as he provides offense, great defense and is a physical presence. That's why he has a hart trophy. And MacInnis has the hardest shot in the game. Those two are a perfect D pairing.

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

I will take Redden/Chara as they are younger and about as good as Blake/Foote.

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

I'll take Zubov/Numminen as I don't like the way Kaberle and McCabe play in the defensive zone.

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Stevens/Niedermayer, they are just better defensively. Stevens can shut anyone down and Niedermayer can turn the tide of a game with an end to end rush.

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Jovo/Ohlund. I don't like Gonchar's game in the defensive zone.

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

Ozo/Carney. Can't think of any worthwhile reason though.

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Pronger/MacInnis
Lidstrom/Hatcher
Stevens/Niedermayer
Redden/Chara
Blake/Foote
Jovo/Ohlund
Zubov/Numminen
Niinimaa/Hamrlik
Carney/Ozo
Modry/Norstrom
Kaberle/McCabe
Gonchar/Witt

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?
Niklas Lidstrom and Derian Hatcher, no question.

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Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?
Blake and Foote, again quite easily (even though I find Blake overrated).

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Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?
Zubov and Numminen. More skill, more consistency, more clutch performances.

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Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?
First tricky one, although mostly because Stevens is nearing retirement. I'll still go with Stevens and Niedermayer, largely due to Niedermayer's spectacular playoffs.

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Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?
Jovonovski and Ohlund. Gonchar is the best d-man of the four, but Witt is clearly the worst.

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Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?
Ozolinsh and Carney. I like Norstrom the best out of these four, but the Anaheim pair is much stronger as a group.

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That's all folks.. please rank them from best to worst afterwards.
Lidstrom/Hatcher
Blake/Foote
Pronger/MacInnis
Zubov/Numminen
Redden/Chara
Jovanovski/Ohlund
Gonchar/Witt
Stevens/Miedermayer
Niinimaa/Hamrlik
KAberle/McCabe
Ozolinsh/Carney
Norstrom/Modry

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

That's all folks.. please rank them from best to worst afterwards.

Pronger/Mac
Blake/Foote
Zubov/Teppo
Niinimaa/Hamrlik
Jovo/Ohlund
Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom-Push

Pronger/Mac
Blake/Foote
Lidstrom/Hatcher
Niinimaa/Hamrlik
Jovo/Ohlund
Zubov/Numminen
Redden/Chara
Stevens/Niedermayer
The rest are about even

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher

Rob Blake/Adam Foote

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer

Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Lidstrom-Hatcher at this point. Pronger's health questions and Mac's age... tough decision though.

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Not really close. Only thing Kabs and Caber have going for them is their previous chemistry.

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?


Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?


Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?


Lidstrom/Hatcher
Tie Blake/Foote & Pronger/MacInnis
Stevens/Niedermayer
Redden/Chara
Jovanovski/Ohlund
Zubov/Numminen
Niinimaa/Hamrlik
Gonchar/Witt
Ozolinsh/Carney
Kaberle/McCabe
Norstrom/Modry

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?
Though the velvet glove / iron fist combination is tempting, I'd have to go with Pronger/MacInnis. Both have booming shots and know each other very well, particularly strong on special teams.
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Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?
Blake/Foote definitely. Blake is one of the few practioners of the hip-check left, Foote is simply outstanding at clearing the net and even chips in on offense. Perhaps in a few years Redden/Chara, but not right now.
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Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?
Zubov/Numminen. These guys are forces on the powerplay, can't wait to see them work together. Could be the #1 unit in the league. Sinker is perhaps McCabe's undisciplined play. Ugly.
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Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?
If Aucoin was with Hamrlik it becomes closer... Niinimaa is not scoring at all lately. Stevens and Niedermayer just won the cup. End of story.
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Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?
Jovo/Ohlund - Ohlund is getting better since his injury, and watching Jovanovski dismantle the Blues was something else. Nothing against Gonchar and Witt, but where were they when their team was down to TBay?
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Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?
Quite similar in fact. I'll go with Ozzy and Carney, Keith looked awful efficient and I didn't see Ozolinsh give it away as much as he's infamous for. Could Modry be finding his game into his 30s?

Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis
Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund
Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen
Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher
Rob Blake/Adam Foote
Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara
Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney
Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer
Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt
Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik
Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom
Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?
Hmm, tough one. Homer pick I guess.

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?
Chara very, very good.

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?
Solid all-around pairing.

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?
Solid all-around pairing.

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?
About equal. JovoCop a little bit better in the own zone than Gonchar.

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?
Carney vs Norstrom = equal. Sandis a monster offensivly, has gotten better in the own end.

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher - Considering Pronger injury history, and MacInnis' age this one isn't even close.

Rob Blake/Adam Foote Getting older and older but still amoung the best.

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen - Not by much though...

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer - Every team needs a player like Stevens on thier blueline IMO. He's awesome. Niedermayer is great as well.

Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund Ohlund is a rock on defence although he should be a lot more physical. When Jovo is on his game he is one of the best.

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney Not by much..


Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher
Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer
Rob Blake/Adam Foote
Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund
Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara
Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik
Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis
Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen
Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt
Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe
Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney
Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom

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Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?
That's clear. Carney is as good as Norstrom and Modry is no match to Ozolinsh, first must Modry find his all-star shape back...

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

That's all folks.. please rank them from best to worst afterwards.
<b>Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara</b> or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?, I think we havent even seen the best from Chara & Redden yet to.

<b>Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen</b> or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?
This one is a no brainer.

<b>Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer</b> or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik? Tough to chose any defenseman over Stevens. Niinimaa & Hamrlik are not even close.

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or <b>Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?</b> This is tough matchup but it really comes down to Jovo or Gonchar & I'll take the complete defenseman.

<b>Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney</b> or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom? Not even close.

Tough one... I am ranking them for 1 season only & not taking age into consideration.

1) Lidstrom & Hatcher
2) Stevens & Niedermayer
3) Macinnis & Pronger
4) Redden & Chara
5) Blake & Foote
6) Zubov & Numminen
7) Jovonavski & Ohlund
8) Niinimaa & Hamrlik
9) Gonchar & Witt
10) Kaberle & McCabe
11) Ozolinsh & Carney
12) Modry & Norstrom

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Here are my rankings:

01) Macinnis & Pronger
02) Lidstrom & Hatcher

IMO obviously, supurb pairings with each being a Norris candidate, one to a bigger degree to the other though.

3a) Blake & Foote
3b) Zubov & Numminen
04) Stevens & Niedermayer
05) Redden & Chara
06) Niinimaa & Hamrlik
07) Jovonavski & Ohlund
08) Gonchar & Witt
09) Kaberle & McCabe
10) Ozolinsh & Carney
11) Modry & Norstrom

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Here are my rankings:

01) Macinnis & Pronger
02) Lidstrom & Hatcher

IMO obviously, supurb pairings with each being a Norris candidate, one to a bigger degree to the other though.

3a) Blake & Foote
3b) Zubov & Numminen
04) Stevens & Niedermayer
05) Redden & Chara
06) Niinimaa & Hamrlik
07) Jovonavski & Ohlund
08) Gonchar & Witt
09) Kaberle & McCabe
10) Ozolinsh & Carney
11) Modry & Norstrom
lol I'm sorry but this is what I am talking about. No way Zubov and Numminen come close to Stevens and Niedermayer unless you take age into consideration, even then I don't think it is close.

 
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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

That's all folks.. please rank them from best to worst afterwards.
Pronger/MacInnis
Blake/Foote
Kaberle/McCabe (youth factor)
Hamrlik/Niinimaa (youth as well)
Jovanovski/Ohlund
Modry/Norstrom

 
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I guess thats what you do with everyone you have a problem with, you ignore them, acting little yellow don't you think. Explaine your reasoning.

 
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Hmmm..
I guess thats what you do with everyone you have a problem with, you ignore them, acting little yellow don't you think. Explain your reasoning instead of running away like you always do. Act like a man

 
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By % of games played over the last three seasons:

Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Lidstrom 98%, Hatcher 98%, Pronger 54%, MacInnis 85%

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Redden 95%, Chara 94%, Blake 90%, Foote 68%

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Zubov 98%, Numminen 92%, Kaberle 95%, McCabe 97%

tie!Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Stevens 99%, Niedermayer 87%, Niinimaa 97%, Hamrlik 89%

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Gonchar 95%, Witt 85%, Jovanovski 93%, Ohlund 83%

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

Ozolinsh 96%, Carney 91%, Modry 91%, Norstrom 99%

Lidstrom/Hatcher (98%)
Kaberle/McCabe (96%)
Zubov/Numminen and Modry/Norstrom (95%)
Chara/Redden (94%)
Niinimaa/Hamrlik, Carney/Ozolinsh, Niedermayer/Stevens (93%)
Gonchar/Witt (90%)
Jovanovski/Ohlund (88%)
Foote/Blake (79%)
Pronger/MacInnis (70%)

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(PS Redden/Chara is not a defensive pairing IRL)

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Niedermayer was a hold out one of those years.

 
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Niedermayer was a hold out one of those years.
Then he wasn't much good to his team, was he?

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Thats Lou's fault not his lol

I thought you were commenting on how injury prone each player was, my mistake.

 
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I guess thats what you do with everyone you have a problem with, you ignore them, acting little yellow don't you think. Explain your reasoning instead of running away like you always do. Act like a man
Why bother? No use.. Niedermayer, Stevens > anyone anyway..

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I didn't say that, I just know Zubov and Teppo arn't as good as half the combo's there. Stevens and Niedermayer also won the cup so something is going right for them.

 
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Ever since his 2001 playofs, Stevens regressed even further. He is still consistant and a leader but gets blown by rather easily these days. I find him not much better then Chris Chelios at this point in both careers.

Niedermayer is good, but I prefer Sergei Zubov, thank you very much.

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All evaluations are done on the basis of current production of players. Potential is not taken into account.

Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Pronger and MacInnis are a pretty lethal duo. Unfortunately, we have seen both guys together on the top of their game, since Pronger has been so injury prone. Hatcher is the weak link of the four, which is hurts that combo.

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Blake and Foote. Wade Redden isn't that far off from Rob Blake anymore, but Chara still needs to improve and show consistency before he can be in the same league as Foote

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

This one isn't that close at all. Zubov is much better than Kaberle IMO. Even with Numminen on the decline, he's still a better D-man that McCabe.

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

This is an odd one. It's very arguable if these guys are the top 2 guys for their team, with Rafalski and Aucoin both too good to be a #3. I'll go with the NJ duo though. Too much of a solid track record there to ignore.

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Gonchar's the best of the four, but Witt is the worst, so it balances out. JovoCop and Ohlund are both strong defencemen, who have very complimentary skills.

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

I think Carney is good, but his value has been overinflated due to the playoffs. I've never been a fan of Ozolnish, so LA wins this by default almost.

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