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09-30-2003, 04:52 AM
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Ever since his 2001 playofs, Stevens regressed even further. He is still consistant and a leader but gets blown by rather easily these days. I find him not much better then Chris Chelios at this point in both careers.

Niedermayer is good, but I prefer Sergei Zubov, thank you very much.
WOW what a load of crap, Stevens as the 2nd best dmen all playoffs only behind Niedermayer, he shut down Lecavalier's line, Thornton's line, Hossa's line, and Kariya's line. I am willing to bet you didn't even watch the guy play, nobody blew by him in the playoffs. Vs Carolina two years ago he had a bad playoffs and Cole made it by him a couple times but every player has a bad year.

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09-30-2003, 04:53 AM
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You would prefer a pice of **** wraped inside a Dallas jersey over Broduer so whats the point of Niedermayer/Zubov comparison.

 
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09-30-2003, 04:55 AM
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Thats Lou's fault not his lol

I thought you were commenting on how injury prone each player was, my mistake.
Uh, if a player is holding out that means he has a valid contract and is choosing not to honour it.

Guys like Havlat and Gaborik are just unsigned...not the same thing.

 
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Thanks for proving my point

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Uh, if a player is holding out that means he has a valid contract and is choosing not to honour it.

Guys like Havlat and Gaborik are just unsigned...not the same thing.
There was a "lol" after the statment

 
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09-30-2003, 05:07 AM
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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?
- I want the best defenseman in the world.

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?
- While I believe Redden has passed up Blake, Chara has not and Foote is the best of the bunch.

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?
- Although Kaberle is better than Numminen (IMO), Zubov makes the difference.

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?
- I like the Isles pairing, but the Devils one has experience and many cups.

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?
- While Gonchar is the best of the bunch, the difference between Ohlund and Witt makes up for it.

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?
- Don't much care for either but I'll take the Ducks.


Lidstrom/Hatcher
Pronger/MacInnis
Blake/Foote
Stevens/Neidermayer
Redden/Chara
Zubov/Numminen
Jovanovski/Ohlund
Kaberle/McCabe
Niinimaa/Hamrlik
Ozolinsh/Carney
Modry/Norstrom

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09-30-2003, 07:05 AM
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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

That's all folks.. please rank them from best to worst afterwards.
The duels

1. Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher

2. Rob Blake/Adam Foote

3. Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen

4. Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer

5. Ed Jovanovski/Mattias Ohlund

6. Sandis Ozolinsh/Keith Carney

The ranking

In a class of their own:

1a. Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher
1b. Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis
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1. Rob Blake/Adam Foote
2. Scott Stevens/ Scott Niedermayer
3. Ed Jovanovski/Mattias Ohlund
4. Wade Redden/ Zdeno Chara
5. Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen
6. Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik
7. Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt
8. Sandis Ozolinsh/Keith Carney
9. Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe
10.Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom

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1.) Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis
2.) Rob Blake/Adam Foote
3.) Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen
3.) Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer
5.) Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund
6.) Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom

THere are my picks and from those picks where I rank them.

I think Lidstrom is by far the best, but the Pronger/MacInnis duo is better than Lidstrom/Hatcher. I just do not like Hatcher, and even though he had a great year last year, he showed me again in the playoffs why I do not like him as a player.

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?


Lidstrom/Hatcher
Pronger/MacInnis
Blake/Foote
Stevens/Niedermayer
Ohlund/Jovo
Zubov/Numminen
Redden/Chara
Niinimaa/Hamrlik
Kaberle/McCabe
Gonchar/Witt
Modry/Norstrom
Ozolinsh/Carney


BTW, how many of these pairings are actually going to see signinficant ice-time together? I know Ohlund/Jovo will be together, possibly Lidstrom/Hatcher and Blake/Foote, but what about the rest?

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Lidstrom/Hatcher
Pronger/MacInnis
Zubov/Numminen

Blake/Foote
Stevens/Niedermayer
Ohlund/Jovo
Niinimaa/Hamrlik
Redden/Chara
Kaberle/McCabe
Gonchar/Witt
Modry/Norstrom
Ozolinsh/Carney

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That isn't NJ's

Stevens - Rafalski
White - Niedermayer

 
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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

1. Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis
2. Rob Blake/Adam Foote
3. Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher
4. Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer
5. Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara
6. Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund
7. Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen
8. Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik
9. Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt
10. Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney
11. Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom
12. Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe

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Niklas Lidstrom/Derian Hatcher or Chris Pronger/Al MacInnis?

I'll take Lidstrom & Hatcher. MacInnis started to show his age a touch last season. Besides Lidstrom is the best defenseman in the league, although a healthy Pronger can match him, I don't feel Pronger's wirst will ever be the same again


Wade Redden/Zdeno Chara or Rob Blake/Adam Foote?

Blake & Footer by a massive margin. Redden is a good smart defenseman - a lowercast #1 man, I believe he overacheived offensivly last year, but still a solid guy. Chara is overrated, but not bad. Foote, if you ask me, is a top 3 - 5 defenseman in this league, and Blake aint too far behind Foote.



Sergei Zubov/Teppo Numminen or Tomas Kaberle/Bryan McCabe?

This is a gimme, the Dallas pair by a large margin. Zubov blows Kaberle out of the water, and even last year's Numminen was better than two years' ago McCabe.


Scott Stevens/Scott Niedermayer or Janne Niinimaa/Roman Hamrlik?

Stevens & Niedermayer, while they aren't actually a pairing, I like a lot more. Hammer and Niinimaa are nice and all, but 6 Stanley Cup rings for the Devils duo says something. Leadership factor for Stevens cannot be ignored here.



Sergei Gonchar/Brendan Witt or Ed Jovonavski/Mattias Ohlund?

I don't think I'm a homer to suggest Ohlund/Jovanovski (that's the way it'll be, Jovo plays right side, although he's left handed) is better here. While I think Gonchar is better than Ohlund, Witt is not really all that close to Ohlund at all, and I feel Jovanovski is better than Gonchar.



Sandis Ozolisnh/Keith Carney or Jaroslav Modry/Mattias Norstrom?

Carney/Ozo in a walk. Never liked Modry, never will. He's a giveaway queen. Ozo is better offensivly & defensivly than Modry. As for Carney versus Norstrom, both are pretty good, but Norstrom showed some signs of difficulty last year, and a total lack of offense hurts him. Carney prooved himself last year to be amongst the top defensemen in the league.

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That's all folks.. please rank them from best to worst afterwards.

Lidstrom & Hatcher
Foote & Blake
Stevens & Niedermayer
Pronger & MacInnis
Ohlund & Jovanovski
Zubov & Numminen
Carney & Ozolinsh
Redden & Chara
Niinimaa & Hamrlik

(I regard the above as great pairings)

Gonchar & Witt
Kaberle & McCabe
Norstrom & Modry

(Good pairings, but not to the level as those above are)

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09-30-2003, 11:13 AM
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Redden is a good smart defenseman - a lowercast #1 man, I believe he overacheived offensivly last year, but still a solid guy.
How did he overacheive offensively last year when he didn't even put up the best numbers of his career?

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