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12-05-2013, 08:16 AM
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I'd prefer Matthias or Shore to Kopecky if that still works.
We would have to upgrade Wilson to Elliott for that to work IMO, or add a draft pick(Probably a 3rd) from our side for it to work.

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12-05-2013, 10:24 AM
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It would need to be expanded a little from just McGinn/Kulikov though. The Avs would need a 3rd line checker to replace McGinn, and I suspect the Panthers would need a #4/5 Dman to replace Kulikov. Either in the same deal, or separate deals with other teams.



Something like McGinn + Wilson for Kulikov + Winchester. Or McGinn + Barrie for Kulikov + Mathias.
I like the 2nd deal the best that I've seen. McGinn I think is a slight upgrade on Matthias and Barrie would only be a slight downgrade on Kulikov. Long term, both teams will be happy too.
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Id like to keep Elliot and/or Barrie too but I cant imagine Tallon wouldnt at least ask for either one back in return. Wilson doesnt fit at all value wise.
I know I wouldnt want him. And I like Wilson.
Yeah I think Tallon would want one of those 2 if Kulikov is going to the Avs. Kulikov, even with his brain farts this yr, has the capability of being a top pairing d-man or at worst, a guy who's your #3 as a two-way defender. Wilson does nothing for the Panthers at all.
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As soon as he is cleared to play, that deal is made. Value is pretty even.
First, it seems like a deal is pretty eminent with the tweet by McKenzie so he probably wont be cleared before a deal is made. Secondly, the value isnt even close to even. Wilson holds a lot less value than Kulikov and with multiple teams interested in him, that drives up his value.
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We would have to upgrade Wilson to Elliott for that to work IMO, or add a draft pick(Probably a 3rd) from our side for it to work.
I dont see the Panthers giving up Shore regardless. I think most expect that Matthias gets traded. With Gomez, Goc, & Winchester all UFA-to-be's, we definitely should be hanging on to Shore to fill one of their spots when at least 1 of them get traded. Personally, I wish we would trade Gomez already to a contender for a pick and call up Shore. A 4th line for the rest of the yr of (some combination) of Winchester, Shore, Hayes & Barch would be better than trying to stick Gomez out there.

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12-05-2013, 10:34 AM
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I'd be really disappointed if we moved barrie for Kulikov. I know it may seem to other avs fans like I've really been trashing Kuli, but I do like the kid and his talent is very intriguing, but Barrie's a prospect from the other side, very smart, very reliable. He doesn't have Kulikov's size and physicality but he total makes up the difference with his mind.

I'd be ok with moving Elliott, although not pleased like I would be with something around McGinn, Wilson and a non-first pick for Kuli + Matthias. But if Barrie were involved, that would be hugely disappointing for me.

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12-05-2013, 11:28 AM
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Kulikov would be a great additiont to a team's core.

I, personally, admire his physicality and the overall package he brings to the table. I wanted him ahead of Kadri in that '09 draft and was quite surprised he dropped as much as he did. The kid still has soo much potential, he could use a change of scenery.

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12-05-2013, 11:55 AM
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how about kulikov and flieschman to the Wings for franzen smith and a 1st?

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12-05-2013, 11:58 AM
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how about kulikov and flieschman to the Wings for franzen smith and a 1st?
Wings cant absorb that much cap space so not gonna happen that way. Regardless, that wouldnt be of that much interest to the Panthers because separately, they could get more for Kulikov & Flash.

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12-05-2013, 12:21 PM
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Would Stoll+Muzzin be of interest? The Kings could stand to add some quality, young LD and Stoll is a prototypical deadline deal player (faceoffs, special teams, depth center) and could bring more value back later in the season.

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12-05-2013, 12:23 PM
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Would Stoll+Muzzin be of interest? The Kings could stand to add some quality, young LD and Stoll is a prototypical deadline deal player (faceoffs, special teams, depth center) and could bring more value back later in the season.
No.

Stoll would be on the 4th line and he is an UFA.

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12-05-2013, 01:00 PM
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if washington then probably something around brouwer. tallon had him in chicago and RW is our weakest position.

and if colorado, then mcginn and a D (hopefully either elliott or barrie). elliott was one of my favorite players in that draft so id welcome him.
Good point about the Tallon - Brouwer connection.

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Kulikov
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Erat and Flash cap hits are both at 4.5 for this and next season and then they both are UFAs.

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12-05-2013, 01:20 PM
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Wings cant absorb that much cap space so not gonna happen that way. Regardless, that wouldnt be of that much interest to the Panthers because separately, they could get more for Kulikov & Flash.
i figured smith and kuli are around the same development wise and franzen and flash are around the same plus adding a 1st i would think that would be a nice deal for both sides ? how much is kulikov making by the way?

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12-05-2013, 01:28 PM
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i figured smith and kuli are around the same development wise and franzen and flash are around the same plus adding a 1st i would think that would be a nice deal for both sides ? how much is kulikov making by the way?
Um, you'd definitely be wrong in that those 2 are the same in development. Kulikov has already played in the NHL for 4 yrs whereas Smith is in his first full yr this yr. I also dont agree that Franzen & Flash are the same either. There's definitely cap recapture issues with Franzen and he's 4 yrs older than Flash. Flash is earning $4.5M and Kulikov is making $2.5M. That 1st is gonna be a late 1st so its not that enticing as you think. As I said, the Panthers would get more if they traded those 2 separately and I honestly dont think Tallon is looking to trade Flash at this point in time.

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12-05-2013, 02:40 PM
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Chuck Gormley (Caps beat writer from CSN) starting to hear Kulikovs name in relation to Caps

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#CapitalsTalk What could the Caps get for Erat, Orlov? Update: Starting to hear Kulikov's name in Fla.

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12-05-2013, 02:46 PM
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#CapitalsTalk What could the Caps get for Erat, Orlov? Update: Starting to hear Kulikov's name in Fla.
Johanssen please.

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12-05-2013, 03:06 PM
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Johanssen please.
And no Orlov either...dont like how he's got those provisions in his contract about the KHL and I'd be concerned no matter what he's going to flee this summer when his contract is up.

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12-05-2013, 03:11 PM
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Can I get a small scouting report on Kulikov? Looked around couldn't find a recent one.

What are Floridas needs? Anything for a rebuild (picks/prospects) or do you need a roster player?

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Can I get a small scouting report on Kulikov? Looked around couldn't find a recent one.

What are Floridas needs? Anything for a rebuild (picks/prospects) or do you need a roster player?
From The Hockey News:

Assets: Has obvious offensive instincts and a big shot from the point. Is an outstanding, well-rounded skater that posseses excellent upside. Likes to aggressively jump in and partake in the offensive side of things.

Flaws: Is still learning the small nuances of the National Hockey League game, so he needs to keep minimizing his defensive-zone mistakes and utilize his body more effectively to become an all-around impact rearguard.

Typical OFD coming into the league trying to find out if they can be a top 4 or better TWD or a bottom pairing OFD + PP specialist by the sounds of it.

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12-05-2013, 04:08 PM
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Ryan Wilson has played 81 total games during 2011-12, 2012-13, and this season thus far. Here's some stats I piled up from that time

81GP, 1 G, 27 A, 28 P
+17 rating (fantastic considering how brutal Avs were two seasons prior)
45 PIM
94 shots
134 Hits (O'Byrne had 180 in our last full season, 2011-12 to lead the way)
90 Blocked Shots (O'Byrne had 141 in 2011-12)
42 Takeaways (Erik Johnson had 35 in 2011-12)
38 Giveaways (Hejda and EJ both gave it away 44 times in 2011-12)

Avs are 40-35-6 with him in the lineup and 36-31-7 without him in the lineup since the beginning of 2011-12

Those individual stats over a full season is fantastic for the roll he plays. If only he could stay healthy. But I can sense this is why there's rumours of him going for Kulikov. He's not a bad player. Kuli scores more, sure, but Wilson is miles ahead defensively at this moment. His injuries are killing him though

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Crazy thing about Wilson is that he's just 3 years older than Kulikov.
I'm an Avs fan and I thought Wilson was somewhere between 28-33 years old.

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Assets: Has obvious offensive instincts and a big shot from the point. Is an outstanding, well-rounded skater that posseses excellent upside. Likes to aggressively jump in and partake in the offensive side of things.

Flaws: Is still learning the small nuances of the National Hockey League game, so he needs to keep minimizing his defensive-zone mistakes and utilize his body more effectively to become an all-around impact rearguard.

Typical OFD coming into the league trying to find out if they can be a top 4 or better TWD or a bottom pairing OFD + PP specialist by the sounds of it.
So he could either end up a star, or Marc-Andre Bergeron. Or anywhere in between.

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#Flames have reportedly inquired about FLA's Dimitry Kulikov. Would be an interesting add depending on return. Still has Top 2 D potential.

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12-07-2013, 05:55 PM
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Friedman thinks a Kulikov to Colorado deal fell apart. He believes a deal was in place when Kulikov was scratched that one night but it didn't work out. He doesn't have confirmation and can't say it was 100% Colorado but he said there were conversations between the two teams.

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Friedman thinks a Kulikov to Colorado deal fell apart. He believes a deal was in place when Kulikov was scratched that one night but it didn't work out. He doesn't have confirmation and can't say it was 100% Colorado but he said there were conversations between the two teams.
Heard that too.

Who do you think was going the other way: ROR??

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Heard that too.

Who do you think was going the other way: ROR??
No...

O'Reilly cannot be traded until 2/28/14 at the earliest

And besides that Roy is said to RAVE about him, is frigging in love with him as a player. Ryan O'Reilly will not be for sale for anything less than a big overpayment.

IF this were true I would lay odds that McGinn's name, and possibly Ryan Wilson's, were involved. Doug Maclean was reported to have said that he heard something about this (I believe it was last week as well) Kulikov-to-Avs business and said something along the lines of Wilson's name been mentioned.

Now, I'm not saying that it's a "fair value" or anything like that, but I would say, with confidence, that it does not look like Ryan O'Reilly will be traded from the Avalanche, barring an offer that's too good to decline.

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Gagner for Kulikov

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Heard that too.

Who do you think was going the other way: ROR??
As RL said, O'Reilly can't be traded because of the offer sheet so definitely not him.

No idea who would go the other way. Possibly something around McGinn?

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