As some of you probably know, Slava Kozlov was involved in a bad car crash back in the USSR before he came over to play in the NHL. His passenger was killed and Kozzie suffered severe injuries and it totally changed his personality. Maybe he can help Dany deal with the situation. Dany called Slava 'probably the smartest player I've played with' so hopefully that will work out well.
Let's hope so. Even if Snyder pulls through, I doubt he will ever be able to recover fully from a severe brain injury. His life has been drastically altered forever and, by that fact, so too has Heatley's. I think Heatley is gonna need a lot of support and counseling to deal with this, and if Slava can help out in this situation based on his own experience, all the better.
It's not to say no one cares about life or death. Tell you what. Do what i did.
Go work in freakin hospital for a year. I'M BEGGIN YOU, PLEASE.
Go work with kids who are hurt by acts just like this. You tell them how you feel. AGAIN I BEG YOU TO.
Edge, I am not saying you do not have a point. However your remarkable insensitivity to this is not acceptable on this board.
Your initial post on this board talked about how you do not care what happens to the kids. You can feel free to make these comments on the Talk thread, but not here. I have a link to that thread right here, and to be honest I am a little surprised you have not even bothered to post on it yet.
I would also note, that you indeed are taking the high moral ground. In fact many of your comments here are not about the kids, but instead about you. This is not about you.
You have specifically been warned by me once. This is a very sensitive issue on this board, and your trolling to stir up the posters here is not welcome. Anymore of this and you will be taking a little "vacation" from the HF Boards.
Well put, btn. I need to stop reading this board and just be around people who actually care if they live or die. This place has really disappointed me today.
Its all about the road he chose to go down to me. Doing 100 on 85 North is one thing but he was doing 80 on LENOX ROAD for crying out loud! That's in-exusable. If you're the police wouldn't you want to punish him? Not only that but he had another person in the car with him that he was responsable for. There are plenty of people who are concerned about their health but we are also angry as well. To be honest with you his actions let me down to the point that I don't want to see him on the ice for a while. How selfish.....80 down Lenox Road....if a family is driving North on Lenox Road at that time there would be more than just 1 person in a coma. I was lookiing forward to the season just as much as anybody and a big part of that was Heatly firing lasers on the PP. Now that doesn't seem like so much fun anymore. Everyone makes mistakes and you forgive and move on but it doesn't change the fact a man (yes ....he is a grown man) stupidly endangered his career....ended his friends career....altered the franchise he works for...let down fans....teammates and the NHL. He was in a high profile position from which he profited handsomely....but the other side is you have bigger responsabilities.....he not only failed to live up to those...but he failed in a big big way. I hope and pray that both get up and walk away. But I truly don't want to see Heatly celebrating on the ice for a while. Eventually I will move on and let him get on with his life...but he disapointed me to much for now.
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...i'm not a perfect being NO ONE is and no one is claiming to be. Driving a car wrecklessly is not forgetting to put a cap on the toothpaste. it's a serious offense, especially when it isnt the first time. I have done stupid things in my life, but i've never endangered anyone's life as an adult....[QUOTE]
So you've never drove over the speed limit?
Not once? You've never hit 80mph on the highway? How about driving home after 2 or 3 drinks? If so, you have "endangered somebodies life as an adult"
...I find that hard to believe.
(I'm not saying it was an accident and he shouldn't be punished)
5 year driving suspension and community service/probation is what he should get.
Thank god Snyder is stable and that they were the only 2 hurt in the accident.
My best wishes to the 2 players, hope Snyder recovers quickly and fully. Did not know reckless driving by itself is criminal offence in the US, although to a certain extend it is undestandable and plaudable.
My best wishes to the 2 players, hope Snyder recovers quickly and fully. Did not know reckless driving by itself is criminal offence in the US, although to a certain extend it is undestandable and plaudable.
Reckless driving is a minor offense. Heatly was charged with 4 of those. That's a fine, suspended liscence and comunity service. The biggee is Causing injury with a Vehicle. That's a felony with a possible punishment of 1-15 years in Prison. He was hit with one of those. That could change too pending how Snyder does. It will be at least Causing Injury with a Vehicle. Could get worse.
On the freeway!!!! in a 70 zone, not on a residential street where the limit is 35. That's 45 miles over the limit!
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Not once? You've never hit 80mph on the highway? How about driving home after 2 or 3 drinks? If so, you have "endangered somebodies life as an adult"
Yes i go 80 on the freeway between california and nevada that has a speed limit of 75 miles per hour. In a 35 i might push 45, but 80 miles an hour? cmon now. And no i dont drink and drive. Never have. Hard to believe or not, most times when i drink my fiancee comes and picks me up. if i know i dont have another way home i wont drink, at all.
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5 year driving suspension and community service/probation is what he should get.
If that's what atlanta law dictates then so be it. i am fine with that, all i ask is that he get what ANYONE would get.
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Thank god Snyder is stable and that they were the only 2 hurt in the accident.
Edge, I am not saying you do not have a point. However your remarkable insensitivity to this is not acceptable on this board.
if he wasnt an atlanta player would you say the same thing?
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Your initial post on this board talked about how you do not care what happens to the kids. You can feel free to make these comments on the Talk thread, but not here. I have a link to that thread right here, and to be honest I am a little surprised you have not even bothered to post on it yet.
Actually my initial post said the following "It's an unfortunate situation but honestly not one that gets my prayers and sympathies."
Sorry but he chose to make that decison. I was reffering to Heatley in the post, not Snyder. I can see the confusion though.
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I would also note, that you indeed are taking the high moral ground. In fact many of your comments here are not about the kids, but instead about you. This is not about you.
kids? he's 22 years old! he's all over 18 months younger then me. that's not a kid! we're not talking about a 16 year old here, we're talking about an adult MAN, not a boy.
My comments have everything to do with responsibility, from myself, you, everyone. Whether you're a student, a professional or a sports figure what i've said applies to everyone. When we get reckless it is not only our own lives we risk, but others. How can you not phase some morality into that? Whether your religous, not religious, a hermit or a social butterfly. We have some degree of responsibility not to take each other out just because we're curious or what not.
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You have specifically been warned by me once. This is a very sensitive issue on this board, and your trolling to stir up the posters here is not welcome. Anymore of this and you will be taking a little "vacation" from the HF Boards.
Whoa whoa whoa hold on a second here. I've been here since the begining as a writer and a poster, i'm not trolling. this isn't a hockey issue. with everything that'd being discussed that's what you think it comes down to? that's kinda sad. vacation for what? he played for atlanta and i am discussing it with the fans of atlanta. i am not bashing heatley or damning him or saying "Your team sucks" or what not. the atlanta board is a perfectly acceptable place to talk about the incident because it happened in atlanta. dealing with the main board means i gotta spend 5 minutes just trying to find a post hidden in a jungle of words. i'm not gonna go to the college board and discuss it or the flames board. i'm discussing it on two boards. the one whose team i write for and the board for the city the incident took place.
you even imply banning me for this? for what? i am not bashing opposing views, i am expressing my own on a subject that goes beyond hockey. for the same reason why if kovalev did the same thng i'd expect there would be a discussion on the rangers board.
I haven't done anything harsh to anyone nor have i broken any rules. i'm not a newbie who doesnt know what to do, i've been here at least as long as you if not longer. now if we're gonna discuss this we will discuss and here both sides to the issue, but don't be trying to pull rank because you're a mod. this isn't an issue that requires that.
if he wasnt an atlanta player would you say the same thing?.
If it was a player on another team, I would hope I have enough class and good taste to keep my discussions on it to the NHL Talk board. Right now we are just concerned with when or if Dan Snyder even regains conciousness.
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My comments have everything to do with responsibility, from myself, you, everyone.
So let me get this straight. Seeing two of our own beloved Thrashers get mangled in a horrific car wreck is not enough of a lesson? We need a sermon on responsibility from you, a person none of us even know?
Did you drive past 100+ long skidmarks today? Did you drive past a mangled bnrick and iron fence?
Who made you The Great Voice of Reason for all these boards.
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you even imply banning me for this? for what? i am not bashing opposing views, i am expressing my own on a subject that goes beyond hockey. for the same reason why if kovalev did the same thng i'd expect there would be a discussion on the rangers board.
I haven't done anything harsh to anyone nor have i broken any rules. i'm not a newbie who doesnt know what to do, i've been here at least as long as you if not longer. now if we're gonna discuss this we will discuss and here both sides to the issue, but don't be trying to pull rank because you're a mod. this isn't an issue that requires that.
There happens to be a 23+ page thread on the topic at the NHL Talk board. I have asked you twice to go there, and you have refused. I am just going to let one of the Supermods deal with this.
I am more than willing to let this small circle of Thrashers fans express their outrage, anger, and grief. And I also respect and appreciate the well wishing and concerns that other hockey fans have for these boys.
But I sure as hell will not tolerate a lecture on the evils of driving from you, not now and not here. Do you not think Dany Heatley is accutely aware of what he did to his good friend? Is Dan Snyder's peacefully comatose body not enough warning for us? What exactly do you expect to accomplish here that the actions of Monday Night have not already done?
You may not agree with what Edge is saying but he isn't doing anything in poor taste and is simply expressing his opinion which is what EVERYONE is here to do on forums like these.
He is not being mean spirited nor is he making light of a serious situation so you really have no right to try to ban him or tell him to post elsewhere.Maybe it's time for a new moderator here if these are how you view things.
You may not agree with what Edge is saying but he isn't doing anything in poor taste and is simply expressing his opinion which is what EVERYONE is here to do on forums like these.
He is not being mean spirited nor is he making light of a serious situation so you really have no right to try to ban him or tell him to post elsewhere.Maybe it's time for a new moderator here if these are how you view things.
There IS a 23 page thread on this already. What more needs to be said here?
We have a guy on deaths door in our org, and the man responsible is our best player. All I am asking is for a little compassion right now.
What is so wrong with taking this to the forum for ALL hockey fans.
If you're not a Thrasher's fan please use the thread on the NHL Talk Board to discuss this subject or refrain from making moralistic judgements. This is a sensitive issue which has left Thrashers fans in a state of shock and grief. Anyone that can not respect this, will have their access to the Atlanta Board removed.
There IS a 23 page thread on this already. What more needs to be said here?
We have a guy on deaths door in our org, and the man responsible is our best player. All I am asking is for a little compassion right now.
What is so wrong with taking this to the forum for ALL hockey fans.
So I guess the new rule will be that if something significant occurs within a particular organization then no posters from outside the affected franchise will be able to post or comment about it on that particular teams site as that will only be limited to that teams posters???
If somebody came here and crossed some decency lines I can see your point but you're going overboard with this stance against a guy who has been here since the start and has never been accussed of trolling nor trying to stir the pot so trying to force non-atlanta fans to have to go to the main boards to post on this issue is ridiculous and is against everything these types of sites are suppossed to be about.
Nobody is making light of the subject or are being insensative to Atl fans feelings.It's a terrible mishap but it doesn't mean opinions can't be expressed on the matter whether here or on the main boards IMO.
Right now, I do feel that giving us all a lecture on the stupidity of reckless driving is insensitive. I had singled out Edge for a reason. And I feel almost every other non-Thrashers fans posts have been perfectly fine. When someone is near death, do not expect a bouquet of roses when you say you have no sympathy for them on their board.
I am not asking to force anyone anywhere. However now is not lecture time here. WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. Save the lectures for the people who are defending Heatley's absurd driving methods on the NHL talk board.
I think it would be a sad day for HFBoards if we have to come up with a policy for behaving with a bit of decency when a team has a player in very grave medical condition. All I am asking for is just a little common sense.
Has there been a medical update released since last evening? The last I heard, Dan Snyder was still in a coma (partly medically induced, partly injury-caused) but that he was breathing on his own.
They do not expect another update in Dan's condition until another 24-48 hours, which is standard for the proceedure he went under. But due to his health and the state of his brain the doctors are optimistic
I was under the impression that he was currently having assisted breathing due to the nature of his sedation.
Right now, I do feel that giving us all a lecture on the stupidity of reckless driving is insensitive. I had singled out Edge for a reason. And I feel almost every other non-Thrashers fans posts have been perfectly fine. When someone is near death, do not expect a bouquet of roses when you say you have no sympathy for them on their board.
I am not asking to force anyone anywhere. However now is not lecture time here. WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. Save the lectures for the people who are defending Heatley's absurd driving methods on the NHL talk board.
I think it would be a sad day for HFBoards if we have to come up with a policy for behaving with a bit of decency when a team has a player in very grave medical condition. All I am asking for is just a little common sense.
not once have i judged the man who was hurt by this incident not once. And how i am preaching morals to you? if i said killing was wrong am i preached morals to you?
you stated your view on descency so isnt that a moral preaching?
and yes i am well aware of the topic on nhl talk board but what difference does that make? all it means is that i cant find replies faster.
everything we do and every opinion we have is a moral judgement. you're view on it being inapprorite is a moral judgement.
you know i'll drop the issue on this board only because there has no bit one line of reason used for a single question i've asked and no where in the rules does it state what i am doing is wrong. its a dangerous line we walk when we start changing the rules as we go along because we dont like someone's opinion. the fact comes down to you dont agree with what i'm saying so you're trying to get it swept under the rug as quickly as possible.
even from my end {whether you like what i say or hate it} that's what has me as upset and "preaching" as some people think.
The fact that a passanger was injured, a guy just sitting back for the ride, just stirs up a lot of reaction.
i think even in this topic, Snyder is the issue because if it were just heatley people probably say "you shouldnt have touched the fire" but when there is a passenger invovled it stirs more emotions into the mix.
i think everyone is concerned about snyder and upset, the debate seems to stem more from views on heatley. but you're 100% right, prayers and thoughts are with Snyder.
This article was in the Kitchener-Waterloo Record this morning (KW is about 20 miles from Dan Snyder's hometown of Elmira), and contains some encouraging news on his condition:
BRIAN CALDWELL
KW RECORD, OCT 2, 2003
Relatives of critically injured hockey player Dan Snyder are drawing support from their hometown of Elmira as they wait for word on his prognosis.
Snyder, 25, remained in critical condition yesterday, fighting for his life after fracturing his skull in a high-speed car crash Monday with Atlanta Thrashers teammate Dany Heatley.
Doctors at an Atlanta hospital had to drill a hole in his head to drain fluid when pressure on his brain got dangerously high.
But they don't suspect any serious brain damage and his parents, Graham and Luanne, have witnessed some encouraging signs firsthand.
"When they're in the room and talking to Dan, his heart rate goes up and his blood pressure goes up, so they feel that's a sign of him recognizing that they're there and he understands who they are,'' said Jeff Snyder, Dan's uncle and former coach with the Elmira Junior B Sugar Kings.
The young player is in a deep, drug-induced coma so his body gets as much rest as possible. Doctors hoped the pressure would ease enough to do MRI tests on his brain today.
"We're just hoping he stays alive, that he can keep fighting to stay alive,'' said Jeff Snyder, now coach of the national sledge hockey team.
Dan Snyder was a passenger in Heatley's black Ferrari when it missed a curve and slammed into a brick pillar and iron fence at an estimated speed of 130 kilometres an hour, tearing the $150,000 convertible in half. Heatley, 22, a rising National Hockey League superstar, suffered a minor concussion, a broken jaw and other non-life-threatening injuries.
He was reported to be in stable condition in police custody at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta yesterday after being charged with reckless driving and several other offences.
Snyder landed on the road after he was thrown 10 metres from the car, which was so badly damaged that police could not tell if the two men had been wearing seatbelts.
A feisty player known more for his work ethic than natural talent, he was told just last week to get a permanent home in Atlanta because he would likely stick with the NHL club as a fourth-line centre this season.
Bob Cummings, a longtime family friend and assistant general manager of the Sugar Kings, said Snyder had beaten long odds to scratch and claw his way into the big leagues.
"He wasn't supposed to play Junior B, he wasn't supposed to play Junior A, he wasn't supposed to play pro -- so he just made them all wrong, you know,'' he said. "That's his forte.''
After suiting up for his hometown Sugar Kings -- a team his father Graham played on three decades ago and now manages -- Snyder cracked the lineup and went on to star with the Owen Sound Platers of the Ontario Hockey League.
Passed over in the NHL draft, he still earned a look from the expansion Thrashers and signed as a free agent in 1999, spending most of his first three years as a pro in the minor leagues. Called up for 36 games with the Thrashers last year, the 6-foot, 190-pound centre scored 10 goals and four assists.
Cummings said news of the accident hit hard in Elmira, where the entire Snyder family is known and well-respected.
But he said residents also know the kind of a player Dan Snyder is and are banking on the same fierce determination to pull him through this life-and-death battle.
"If there's any chance at all, he'll make the recovery,'' said Cummings, who also taught Snyder for several years in grade school. "That's the kind of fortitude he has."
Jeff Snyder said his brother, Graham, and sister-in-law, Luanne, are too focused on their son to publicly talk about the ordeal yet, but have made arrangements for updates on the Thrashers website at www.atlantathrashers.com
He also said family members -- including brother Jeremy, 29, and sister Erika, 20 -- have been heartened by the concern shown by residents of Elmira and surrounding area.
This article was in the Kitchener-Waterloo Record this morning (KW is about 20 miles from Dan Snyder's hometown of Elmira), and contains some encouraging news on his condition:
The AJC has a better update, that Snyders coma grade is now a 6 or 7.
And you can't copy/paste entire articles.
EDIT: sorry for being *****y.
Now that I think about it, this has been a pretty rough off-season for hockey players... I don't remember so many bad things happening in such a short time period.
even from my end {whether you like what i say or hate it} that's what has me as upset and "preaching" as some people think.
The fact that a passanger was injured, a guy just sitting back for the ride, just stirs up a lot of reaction.
i think even in this topic, Snyder is the issue because if it were just heatley people probably say "you shouldnt have touched the fire" but when there is a passenger invovled it stirs more emotions into the mix.
i think everyone is concerned about snyder and upset, the debate seems to stem more from views on heatley. but you're 100% right, prayers and thoughts are with Snyder.
My first post here and I've read about the little battle you've been involved in but don't you think there will be plenty of time in the future to lay blame, why not let time pass and cooler heads prevail. All I see is people trying to prove their moral superiority to each other and this isn't the time or place.
Another thing to keep in mind too is the fact Dany Heatley will carry this in his head for the rest of his life and that's allot bigger burden to carry than a year in jail or a few hours community service every could be.
