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07-29-2014, 02:04 AM
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Does Zucc,Step,or Staal get extended mid season

Does Sather extend any of these guys, and if so who gets extended first?


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I think Staal does, prompting this forum to explode.

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Not an easy question to answer

Step is most likely a lock, unless he prices himself completely out (7+ mill a year or something). We have a center problem, and Step is our best. I think it will take a lot for him not to get signed.

Zucc i'd say is probable, depending a bit on how he does this season (the first half of it anyway). I do believe that he figures into the long term plans of the team, but with cap issues, things get complicated. If i were a betting man, i'd say he gets an extension over the new year, but we'll see.

Staal is probably the biggest question mark of the three. He is going to command a hefty paycheck, and we have one of the better defensive groups in the league (with several up and comers in Allen, Mcilrath, Skjei, etc).

As it is, i dont think we have the funds (even if the cap goes up) to keep everyone. As for who gets extended first, i'd say Step, unless he rejects the attempt at signing him.

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Zucc for me, he's one of our few characters.

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Does Sather extend any of these guys, and if so who gets extended first?
Zucc I think so. Stepan definitely. Staal... I don't think so.

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Of course not, Sather's a lazy procrastinator. Remember?

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07-29-2014, 07:28 AM
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Staal at nearer to the trade deadline would be my best guess to sign an extension. If not he's probably moved depending on the options/return at the time. Not too different than Callahan or Girardi last year, if the Rangers and he can find the compromise, he'll probably get signed if he wants to stay. If not, he'll likely play out the contract and walk, or he'll be traded nearer to the deadline if they can find their idea of acceptable return.


Stepan with two RFA years after this year, this one is a sticky situation.

As far as arbitration, if he takes the Rangers to arbitration the Rangers can elect a one year deal leaving him a RFA after. Not sure he is going to like that prospect.

But if he doesn't take them, and the Rangers take him he can opt for a two year award that would leave him a UFA after. Doubt the Rangers like that idea.

If neither party takes the other to arbitration, he is open to elicit offer sheets if he wants, also he could hold out should they not come to terms.

Usually none of that happens and the team and player work out a longer term deal buying up UFA years but I can not imagine anyway this contract comes cheap given the alternatives and how the leverage is likely to work out. (This one I'd like to see the Rangers get done prior to any of that even becoming an option.)

Zucc, who knows, I'd guess he may want to at least see what he could get as a UFA, and I think the Rangers will want to see what that cap space could get them from the UFA market. Rangers may see the need to reserve that cap space for Staal (or his replacement), Stepan, Hagelin, or new UFA(s). I'd guess the Rangers will make an extension offer but I'm not so sure it will match what Zucc is looking for.

Hagelin is one year away from UFA so that is likely to go the Zucc, Brassard route. He takes them to arbitration and they try to work something out beforehand. Ends up with a one year like Zucc, or something longer but I can not imagine a 5 year like Brassard unless he is willing to leave annual money on the table for more guaranteed money that comes with a longer term deal.

Not what I would do, just what I think the Rangers and the players may do based on how past free agent to be players have worked out

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07-29-2014, 07:41 AM
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I think Staal does, prompting this forum to explode.
I think some things have to happen for Staal to be extended and I don't know if it happens, if ever, until at least they have a good handle on what the cap will be. Further, it doesn't happen unless they're confident a kid can come in for Klein and be a cheaper option on the third pairing to save $2MM or so, and even then, that may be only save Stepan or Zucc. Finally, it doesn't happen unless Staal stays healthy and effective.

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07-29-2014, 08:17 AM
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If there's no extension for Marc by the deadline he'll get traded. Would be a huge pickup for a contender. Could get a good haul. Or if they sign him, you get a steady defender on you're second pairing for years to come. A lot of teams don't have the luxury of having Marc Staal be their second pairing defenseman. I'm fine either way.

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I think you have to give Staal and Zucc the Callahan treatment. Extend by the deadline or deal them.

IMO, Staal's long term value is set and once Moore is singed, they start negotiating a new deal and maybe even get one done by training camp.

Zucc has only one really good year to show and Slats pretty much said as much. A big first half is important to his next contract with NY.

Stepan is in the same boat as Hagelin, both are RFAs at years end so you can wait until the season is over to extend them.

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I think Zucc gets extended after a good half season, Stepan's deal gets handled after the season, and Staal gets traded.


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Zucc very likely will.

Highly doubt Stepan does.

I don't think Staal will be a Ranger by mid-season.

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Zucc absolutely will; there's no other reason why he would have taken a discounted, 1 year contract.

Unless an extension would somehow prevent another holdout, there's no real reason to extend Stepan since he'll be an RFA.

I think it could go either way with Staal. Would love to have him extended below market rate if possible (This being the market that saw Brooks Orpik get$5.5 mil AAV)

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What about MSL? Could he also be in this mix of will he probably wait until after the season to decide if he wants another year?

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What about MSL? Could he also be in this mix of will he probably wait until after the season to decide if he wants another year?
I think he'll get extended. Could see a 2 year deal.

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What about MSL? Could he also be in this mix of will he probably wait until after the season to decide if he wants another year?
They won't extend him midseason. He only wants to play here, at least I can't imagine that sentiment has changed after the playoff run. I suspect he'll let them sort it all out then see what's left over if he wants to keep playing.

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Staal wont be traded, he's part of the core. Maybe even re-signed before game 1.
Armchair GM's will trade anybody. Bar stool talk.
Most teams don't trade a Marc Staal, aplayer in his prime on a winning team, who was their own 1st rounder, and became a big cog both on ice and in the locker room.
Sather is a loyal guy, and smart enough to know a Marc Staal is damn hard to replace.

Step wont be resigned in-season.
He's RFA, solid and essential, but not an exception on the scale of McD.

Zucc gets re-signed before the trade deadline unless he has a miserable season.

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I can't imagine this team trading Staal after the season we had unless they feel that someone else can come in and be as effective as him immediately.

When we had Stralman, I thought Allen could have fit in nicely... but with Boyle... no sir.

To trade Staal mid-season, it would need to be earlier than the deadline.

There are about 17 games or so left at the deadline. That'll cripple the defense, potentially, doing it so late. They'd need time to gel, like Klein and Moore did when they got Klein months before the deadline.

Very tough position Sather is in, with Staal especially.

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Staal wont be traded, he's part of the core. Maybe even re-signed before game 1.
Armchair GM's will trade anybody. Bar stool talk.
Most teams don't trade a Marc Staal, aplayer in his prime on a winning team, who was their own 1st rounder, and became a big cog both on ice and in the locker room.
Sather is a loyal guy, and smart enough to know a Marc Staal is damn hard to replace.

Step wont be resigned in-season.
He's RFA, solid and essential, but not an exception on the scale of McD.

Zucc gets re-signed before the trade deadline unless he has a miserable season.
I can't remember the last time the Rangers re-signed a pending free agent that far ahead of their contract ending.

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We have a lot of money tied into D for the foreseeable future. I can't see us offering Staal the money he deserves. The most logical option might be trading him.

McD: Bargain @ 4.7m for 5 more years (this may be the only reason we can resign Staal)
Girardi: Avg @ 5.5m for 6 more.
Boyle: Wildcard @ 4.5m for 2 more
Klein: Good or bad at 2.9-- bad for a #5, good for his talent imo.
Staal: Good @3.975 for 1 more.

Moore will also be fairly cheap, but I don't see us throwing Staal the $6m+ he deserves(and that other teams will top) to play #3/4 minutes.

I think Zucc's the first to get extended and almost would guarantee that he does. He loves New York and New York loves him. He's a fan favorite here, and he loves the big stage and the US. He already took a bum deal for the team's benefit, and I could see him doing it again and Sather taking it into account. Step needs to be extended as well, but I could see him playing with free agency as a stanley cup experienced #1b/2a center.

It's tough to think of trading Staal near the deadline, since we're likely contenders, but it's probably either that or losing him for nothing. I just don't see us giving him what he deserves.

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Zucc Yes, Staal Maybe, Step No

Stepan will be extended the day before or day of his Arbitration hearing.

Zucc will get done. I dont know if Sather lets Staal walk. Depends on his season and Brady Skeij season.

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Does Sather extend any of these guys, and if so who gets extended first?
Step - Yes.

Zuccs - Yes.

Staal - No.

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We should trade Stepan + for an actual 1C

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Zucc absolutely will; there's no other reason why he would have taken a discounted, 1 year contract.

Unless an extension would somehow prevent another holdout, there's no real reason to extend Stepan since he'll be an RFA.

I think it could go either way with Staal. Would love to have him extended below market rate if possible (This being the market that saw Brooks Orpik get$5.5 mil AAV)
he takes a "discounted" 1 year contract because if he hadn't, he would have gone to arbitration, which nobody has done in like three years, and potentially gotten the same, less, or slightly more while being dragged through the mud. He has a bit less rights because he wasn't UFA status.

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