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12-05-2013, 01:47 AM
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The Canucks need more skill in the top 6. I love Ott, especially on the third line, but Gillis would be stupid to pay the asking price IMO.

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12-05-2013, 04:52 AM
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Moulson
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I agree on the Moulson part. But Ott is a third center and is going to be a rental what if he doesn't resign? then what?

Most for Ott I would do is:

Booth + 3rd. Depending on how Booth turns out now that he is picking up.
Booth and a third for Ott is brutal. You're not taking into account Buffalo's needs at all.

What do you think Booth and a third do for the Sabres' rebuild?

Terrible.


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12-05-2013, 06:48 AM
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Moulson
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Non starter unless it's an impact player coming back.

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12-05-2013, 07:19 AM
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How many captains will Buffalo have traded if this goes through?
3 in the last 12 months (Pominville, Vanek, and Ott).

I wonder what the record is?


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12-05-2013, 07:27 AM
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Whether Ott gets moved or not will likely depend on how much he impresses Nolan and LaFontaine with regards to helping support the growth of the kids and what the new GM wants in a team and a captain.

Ott is very open to re-signing and I think it is far from a done deal that he gets moved.

He has talked to Marcus Foligno about getting back to the basics of being a crash and bang guy and then developing his offensive game down the road. That seems to be a message that Nolan endorses.

IF Ott moves, I would expect that it's for slightly more than people expect as I think he's a guy that a lot of GMs will want to add for the playoffs.

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12-05-2013, 07:33 AM
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It won't go well if Buffalo decide to send away every player with some experience.
I think people in Buffalo will calm down quite a bit once they realize that they already have 2 picks in the first round with a chance at 2-3 more.

Also, Buffalo would want their team to be as bad as possible for next season. McDavid`s draft year....

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12-05-2013, 07:40 AM
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I think people in Buffalo will calm down quite a bit once they realize that they already have 2 picks in the first round with a chance at 2-3 more.
The Sabres only have 1 1st in 2014 today. The Isles can push the 1st from the Vanek deal to 2015.

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12-05-2013, 07:43 AM
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The Sabres only have 1 1st in 2014 today. The Isles can push the 1st from the Vanek deal to 2015.
they wont, not with Mcdavid next year. no way they risk missing the playoffs next year and then losing out on him. However small their chance might be.

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they wont, not with Mcdavid next year. no way they risk missing the playoffs next year and then losing out on him. However small their chance might be.
That doesn't change the fact that the Sabres don't have a 2nd 2014 1st yet. Especially since this is Garth Snow we are talking about....

Plus, what if the Isles miss the playoffs this year and win the lottery? Do they trade away the 1st this year for the unknown of the 2015 pick?

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Non starter unless it's an impact player coming back.
Moulson and Ott are impact players. Both would make quite and impact in Vancouver.

But I wouldn't make that deal either.

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3 in the last 12 months (Pominville, Vanek, and Ott).

I wonder what the record is?


They're just replenishing the stock. Seems Captains are in high demand at the fire sale.

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12-05-2013, 08:03 AM
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That doesn't change the fact that the Sabres don't have a 2nd 2014 1st yet. Especially since this is Garth Snow we are talking about....

Plus, what if the Isles miss the playoffs this year and win the lottery? Do they trade away the 1st this year for the unknown of the 2015 pick?
ok fine, either you have a 1st this year or a possible second chance at McDavid next year. Either way The Sabres are ahead since Vanek was unlikely to resign in Buffalo anyways.....

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12-05-2013, 08:14 AM
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ok fine, either you have a 1st this year or a possible second chance at McDavid next year. Either way The Sabres are ahead since Vanek was unlikely to resign in Buffalo anyways.....
What the Sabres most certainly have today is 3 1sts (BUF 14 & 15, NYI 14 or 15) and 6 2nds (BUF 14 & 15, LA 14 & 15, MIN 14, NYI 15) between the 2014 & 2015 drafts.

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What the Sabres most certainly have today is 3 1sts (BUF 14 & 15, NYI 14 or 15) and 6 2nds (BUF 14 & 15, LA 14 & 15, MIN 14, NYI 15) between the 2014 & 2015 drafts.

yes, and at least 3 more valuable assets that could add even more.

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12-05-2013, 09:26 AM
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Non starter unless it's an impact player coming back.
Sorry but I literally LMAO at this. Unless an impact player's coming back? I guess a 30 goal scoring winger and one of the worst guys in the NHL to play against isn't impact enough for ya?

In my opinion, when the deadline comes, there will be at least 2-3 teams trying to land Ott. I believe a decent first is well within the realm of possibility. Ott is a perfect example of a guy you want on your team when the playoffs start. And Moulson makes anyone's top 6 alot better. If Vancouver is serious about making a run for the cup they do this trade all day long. If not, either player would start a bidding war at the deadline and Buffalo could probably get more anyways.

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12-05-2013, 09:39 AM
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Steve Ott is a fairly decent player. But he is 30+ and is a pending UFA. So the only teams that would deal for him are those who: A) Feel they have a legit shot to win a Cup and feel he is a "missing piece" (which is a stretch in itself) or: B) Teams that want a head start on hoping to sign Ott to a multi-year deal.
Did Pittsburgh think the declining Brenden Morrow or Douglas Murray were the "missing pieces" for them? Probably not. But they likely viewed what Morrow and Murray provide--a heavy, physical game--as necessary for a long playoff run, even if both players' skills were eroding.

In Morrow's case, Pittsburgh gave up a nearly fully-developed former 1st round pick in Joe Morrow (and a 5th) for Brenden Morrow (and a 3rd). One could argue that the near NHL-ready former 1st rounder has even more value than the future late-1st rounder who'll take years to develop.

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I mean, if the Blackhawks feel Ott is a player that could help them repeat in the Finals, then MAYBE they give up a 1st rounder, because it will be the 28th-32nd pick anyway. But it's far-fetched to think ANY team is going to give up a top-15 (1st rounder) for Ott - that's crazy talk.
What Sabres fans are saying we expect a top-15 pick for Ott? That's fundamentally ludicrous given the fact that a top-15 pick is from a non-playoff team, and the teams trying to acquire him will likely be looking to round out their lineups for a deep run--i.e., teams not picking anywhere close to the top-15.

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The type of team that will "overpay" for Steve Ott is a team like Philly because they are in love with those types of players. That said, Steve Downie is just as good (if not better... and younger) than Steve Ott and the price to acquire him was Max Talbot. So I think Sabres fans are dreaming when/if they think teams are going to be tripping over each other to hand over 1st round picks for Ott.
Numerous teams' fans are in here saying they'd love Ott. There are plenty of teams beyond Philly who'd desire what Ott brings to the table.

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Back to Philly. I see them trying to get him for a 2nd round pick and another good prospect like Nick Cousins (who is a future Steve Ott type). The Flyers will add Ott then will either squeak in or not make the playoffs at all, and sign him to a 4 year deal in the offseason - overpaying him in the process. The Flyers just can't help themselves when it comes to players of Ott's ilk.
An early- to mid-2nd and a "B" prospect currently playing his first year in the AHL for Ott? Great. I may even prefer that to a very late 1st rounder. That type of deal may even be more consistent with Lafontaine's statement that they need to start building now rather than just stripping everything down for draft picks.

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Great post.

Sabres fans that are using the Gaustad trade as a comparable are going to be disappointed or he's not going to be dealt.

No one is giving up a top-15 pick for Ott unless something is coming with him.
Why would non-playoff teams be looking to add a rental. This is a strawman argument. Sabres fans have not been saying we expect a top-15 pick. The allusion to Gaustad simply illustrates that some teams will give up 1st rounders from bottom-6 players that bring size, physicality, grit, etc.--and in Gaustad's case, great faceoff prowess. We realize we were fortunate that Nashville's pick rose to #14, just as we were fortunate that the Wild's 1st rounder last year went from the early-20's to 16 after they acquired Pominville.

If we can get a 1st from a fringe playoff team for Ott, then great, trade him there. More likely, though, if a team offers a 1st or its equivalent--a developed former 1st rounder, for example--it's going to be a team likely picking in the mid- to late-20's. Most Sabres fans recognize this.

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I will absolutely be pissed off if he is traded to the Pacific and it's not to Anaheim. Ott is the perfect guy for Anaheim's third/fourth line with Koivu's return next year in doubt. Ott would be a huge addition to the PK and would win tons of faceoffs. Just another one of the guys you hate to watch play against your team, but would love to have him.

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Did Pittsburgh think the declining Brenden Morrow or Douglas Murray were the "missing pieces" for them? Probably not. But they likely viewed what Morrow and Murray provide--a heavy, physical game--as necessary for a long playoff run, even if both players' skills were eroding.

In Morrow's case, Pittsburgh gave up a nearly fully-developed former 1st round pick in Joe Morrow (and a 5th) for Brenden Morrow (and a 3rd). One could argue that the near NHL-ready former 1st rounder has even more value than the future late-1st rounder who'll take years to develop.



What Sabres fans are saying we expect a top-15 pick for Ott? That's fundamentally ludicrous given the fact that a top-15 pick is from a non-playoff team, and the teams trying to acquire him will likely be looking to round out their lineups for a deep run--i.e., teams not picking anywhere close to the top-15.



Numerous teams' fans are in here saying they'd love Ott. There are plenty of teams beyond Philly who'd desire what Ott brings to the table.



An early- to mid-2nd and a "B" prospect currently playing his first year in the AHL for Ott? Great. I may even prefer that to a very late 1st rounder. That type of deal may even be more consistent with Lafontaine's statement that they need to start building now rather than just stripping everything down for draft picks.



Why would non-playoff teams be looking to add a rental. This is a strawman argument. Sabres fans have not been saying we expect a top-15 pick. The allusion to Gaustad simply illustrates that some teams will give up 1st rounders from bottom-6 players that bring size, physicality, grit, etc.--and in Gaustad's case, great faceoff prowess. We realize we were fortunate that Nashville's pick rose to #14, just as we were fortunate that the Wild's 1st rounder last year went from the early-20's to 16 after they acquired Pominville.

If we can get a 1st from a fringe playoff team for Ott, then great, trade him there. More likely, though, if a team offers a 1st or its equivalent--a developed former 1st rounder, for example--it's going to be a team likely picking in the mid- to late-20's. Most Sabres fans recognize this.
Correction there: Nashville's pick was in the early 20s, we traded it + our 2nd (42) in 2012 to Calgary to get the 14th pick.

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Why would non-playoff teams be looking to add a rental. This is a strawman argument. Sabres fans have not been saying we expect a top-15 pick. The allusion to Gaustad simply illustrates that some teams will give up 1st rounders from bottom-6 players that bring size, physicality, grit, etc.--and in Gaustad's case, great faceoff prowess. We realize we were fortunate that Nashville's pick rose to #14, just as we were fortunate that the Wild's 1st rounder last year went from the early-20's to 16 after they acquired Pominville.
The Nashville pick was #21. Buffalo then traded that pick + their 2nd round pick to move up to #14 in the draft

At the time of the trade Minnesota was in 1st place and was hoping for a playoff run. The feeling at the time was the pick would be 24-30....not 16.

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Correction there: Nashville's pick was in the early 20s, we traded it + our 2nd (42) in 2012 to Calgary to get the 14th pick.
Good catch. Forgot about that.

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The Nashville pick was #21. Buffalo then traded that pick + their 2nd round pick to move up to #14 in the draft

At the time of the trade Minnesota was in 1st place and was hoping for a playoff run. The feeling at the time was the pick would be 24-30....not 16.
IIRC, on the day Poms was traded, Vancouver and Minnesota were tied for the Northwest lead. So the pick was looking to be in the early- to mid-20's before they flamed out down the stretch.

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What would be the generic value for a pending UFA rental like Ott? By generic I mean:

# of roster players
# of prospects
# picks

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Brian Boyle, Pulliot, & a 5th
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Buffalo will need some bodies to fill the spots of all the dead weight they need to purge.

Do it Patty

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yes, and at least 3 more valuable assets that could add even more.
Right. You know they'll get another first for Moulson at least. If they move Ott, you can guarantee they'll be another first in that deal too.

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