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12-05-2013, 08:25 AM
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Look how quickly the fans turned on Alfie when he was literally a god in the city, if they turned on Alfie that quickly and embraced Clark MacCaurthur and Joe Corvo like the new god's in Ottawa, I think if Alfie returns to Ottawa he will always be a stud and a celebrity, but not on the cover of the newspapers 20 times a year and on TSN everyday
Lol what?

Anyway, this seems like a ridiculous attempt at rationalizing Alfredsson's greed. The reality is that this isn't the first time that he fought with the team over money, and he even demanded a trade at one point because Yashin (who was a better player) was making more than him. Alfie gave up on the team, and wanted more money than he was worth. It's that simple.

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12-05-2013, 08:38 AM
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Lol what?

Anyway, this seems like a ridiculous attempt at rationalizing Alfredsson's greed. The reality is that this isn't the first time that he fought with the team over money, and he even demanded a trade at one point because Yashin (who was a better player) was making more than him. Alfie gave up on the team, and wanted more money than he was worth. It's that simple.
Greed! That's the stupidest thing ever written. Alfie is worth $5.5 million dollars because the best run and classiest NHL team thinks he is, as do the Bruins who might be the best run team in the East , then that's his worth.

Alfie has a value and by looking at our attendance drop this year and how fans aren't as attached to the team this year overall - from a general accounting point of view paying Alfie the extra $500 000 he wanted would have been the best investment Melnyk ever made, instead he tried to save that money and he got horrible press all summer and into the fall, the fans turned on him, soured to a degree on the club and have stayed away from buying tickets - hurting his bottom line and the realtionship with his fans.

So if anyone was greedy in this it was Melnyk - NHL Captains with 17 years of service and a God like standing in the community get paid more money then guys like Clark Maccarthur, because they sell tickets, sell jersey's, give the logo credibility and keep the fans watching.

Stupidest decision Melnyk ever made was to not pay Alfie the $5.5 million it would have taken to get him to stay in Ottawa

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12-05-2013, 09:02 AM
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Lol what?

Anyway, this seems like a ridiculous attempt at rationalizing Alfredsson's greed. The reality is that this isn't the first time that he fought with the team over money, and he even demanded a trade at one point because Yashin (who was a better player) was making more than him. Alfie gave up on the team, and wanted more money than he was worth. It's that simple.
See what your son Spezza says when they renegotiate his salary to what he is really worth. Maybe 5.5 million, tops, as that is roughly what level he is playing at; and that is being generous.

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12-05-2013, 09:07 AM
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Alfie has a value and by looking at our attendance drop this year and how fans aren't as attached to the team this year overall - from a general accounting point of view paying Alfie the extra $500 000 he wanted would have been the best investment Melnyk ever made, instead he tried to save that money and he got horrible press all summer and into the fall, the fans turned on him, soured to a degree on the club and have stayed away from buying tickets - hurting his bottom line and the realtionship with his fans.

So if anyone was greedy in this it was Melnyk - NHL Captains with 17 years of service and a God like standing in the community get paid more money then guys like Clark Maccarthur, because they sell tickets, sell jersey's, give the logo credibility and keep the fans watching.

Stupidest decision Melnyk ever made was to not pay Alfie the $5.5 million it would have taken to get him to stay in Ottawa
The team isn't getting support because it's not winning, not because Alfredsson is gone, and if the fans aren't supporting the team because of Alfie being gone then they care more about an individual player than the crest and they're fairweather fans anyway.

It was more than just greed, but it definitely played a part. At the end Melnyk offered a blank cheque but at that point Alfie's pride was already hurt (and he had given up on the team before that anyway).

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See what your son Spezza says when they renegotiate his salary to what he is really worth. Maybe 5.5 million, tops, as that is roughly what level he is playing at; and that is being generous.
Not sure what this has to do with the topic in any capacity.

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12-05-2013, 09:13 AM
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The team isn't getting support because it's not winning, not because Alfredsson is gone, and if the fans aren't supporting the team because of Alfie being gone then they care more about an individual player than the crest and they're fairweather fans anyway.

It was more than just greed, but it definitely played a part. At the end Melnyk offered a blank cheque but at that point Alfie's pride was already hurt (and he had given up on the team before that anyway).

Not sure what this has to do with the topic in any capacity.
Try this hat on then, if Ottawa had Alfie we would be a better team have a better record and better attendance = more money. With Alfie we would be winning, we would have leadership and an identity which we do not have and the team.

No matter how you look at this Alfie not signing was nothing but a horrible thing for Ottawa, Murray said it was devastating - NHL GM's don't say that about their teams, that happens once in a career for an NHL GM to have their team Captain, face of the franchise and greatest asset walk.

No matter how you try to angle the Alfie file - Ottawa hurt it's franchise by him leaving in attendance, on ice competitiveness, the team's reputation and in the community - this is not up for debate, these are the facts

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No. It's time to move on. Bringing him back would be a step backwards. Basically admitting we made a mistake, and that our current leadership isn't good enough.

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12-05-2013, 09:23 AM
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Greed! That's the stupidest thing ever written. Alfie is worth $5.5 million dollars because the best run and classiest NHL team thinks he is, as do the Bruins who might be the best run team in the East , then that's his worth.

Alfie has a value and by looking at our attendance drop this year and how fans aren't as attached to the team this year overall - from a general accounting point of view paying Alfie the extra $500 000 he wanted would have been the best investment Melnyk ever made, instead he tried to save that money and he got horrible press all summer and into the fall, the fans turned on him, soured to a degree on the club and have stayed away from buying tickets - hurting his bottom line and the realtionship with his fans.

So if anyone was greedy in this it was Melnyk - NHL Captains with 17 years of service and a God like standing in the community get paid more money then guys like Clark Maccarthur, because they sell tickets, sell jersey's, give the logo credibility and keep the fans watching.

Stupidest decision Melnyk ever made was to not pay Alfie the $5.5 million it would have taken to get him to stay in Ottawa
Except that Alfredsson wanted EIGHT MILLION for one year or $6 million per year for two years. $5.5 million is what he settled for WITH DETROIT. Ottawa would have easily paid him $5.5 million but there was no negotiations on Alfredsson's part.

Quit it with the hysterics. Alfredsson is gone. Part of it is greed, part of it is him not wanting to shoulder the load of being the veteran on a youth-infused team and part of it is also the MASSIVE tax break he gets if he lives in the US for two years.

Sorry your false God let you down and you're grasping at straws to rationalize it but this team was going to have to move on eventually. He's not going to play forever so better the team take its lumps now and find who their real leaders are than in two years.

The Alfredsson Era is OVER.

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This is the future:

We miraculously get our **** together and make the playoffs.

We end up meeting Detroit in the conference finals and beat them, winning the cup this year.

Alfie then signs a one year 6-million dollar deal with us next year. We meet Detroit again this year, but with a rejuvenated Detroit team led by Tatar they beat us and win the cup. Alfie is shaken.

The next year he signs with Chicago and wins his cup finally as a 48 year old, gets handed it from Hossa.

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12-05-2013, 09:26 AM
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No. It's time to move on. Bringing him back would be a step backwards. Basically admitting we made a mistake, and that our current leadership isn't good enough.
whats wrong with that..... we did make a mistake and our current leadership IS NOT good enough.....

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This is the future:

We miraculously get our **** together and make the playoffs.

We end up meeting Detroit in the conference finals and beat them, winning the cup this year.

Alfie then signs a one year 6-million dollar deal with us next year. We meet Detroit again this year, but with a rejuvenated Detroit team led by Tatar they beat us and win the cup. Alfie is shaken.

The next year he signs with Chicago and wins his cup finally as a 48 year old, gets handed it from Hossa.
oh I do love a good fairy tale......

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whats wrong with that.....
It's like watching your friend drunk-dial his ex-wife at 3:30am in the hopes that her leaving him "was just a phase", and she will move back from Sacremento for him.

Even if she comes back, it'll never be the same.

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This is the future:

We miraculously get our **** together and make the playoffs.

We end up meeting Detroit in the conference finals and beat them, winning the cup this year.

Alfie then signs a one year 6-million dollar deal with us next year. We meet Detroit again this year, but with a rejuvenated Detroit team led by Tatar they beat us and win the cup. Alfie is shaken.

The next year he signs with Chicago and wins his cup finally as a 48 year old, gets handed it from Hossa.
He grabs the cup from Hossa and promptly breaks his own back from too many years of shouldering adoration from the fans in Ottawa

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No. He's not coming back, it's time to move on.

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It's like watching your friend drunk-dial his ex-wife at 3:30am in the hopes that her leaving him "was just a phase", and she will move back from Sacremento for him.

Even if she comes back, it'll never be the same.
It won't be the same but she's really hot so it's better than not having her at all

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It's like watching your friend drunk-dial his ex-wife at 3:30am in the hopes that her leaving him "was just a phase", and she will move back from Sacremento for him.

Even if she comes back, it'll never be the same.
thats true but if it was a hot piece it might make things a litle more fun for a bit.

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It won't be the same but she's really hot so it's better than not having her at all
Yeah but then whenever you get into a fight the fact she left always comes up in some way and also all your friends think you're a push over for putting up with her

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Try this hat on then, if Ottawa had Alfie we would be a better team have a better record and better attendance = more money. With Alfie we would be winning, we would have leadership and an identity which we do not have and the team.
According to Melnyk if we signed Alfie for what he was asking we wouldn't have Ryan. Ryan is a better player than Alfredsson, and this team is better without him. The leadership speel means nothing. Alfredsson was not an exceptional leader.

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No matter how you look at this Alfie not signing was nothing but a horrible thing for Ottawa, Murray said it was devastating - NHL GM's don't say that about their teams, that happens once in a career for an NHL GM to have their team Captain, face of the franchise and greatest asset walk.
I don't think it was a good thing for the franchise in terms of optics, but ultimately I don't think it makes a huge deal in the long or short run. It's something easy to blame because of the teams struggles, but the team is part of the reason that Alfie jumped ship.

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No matter how you try to angle the Alfie file - Ottawa hurt it's franchise by him leaving in attendance, on ice competitiveness, the team's reputation and in the community - this is not up for debate, these are the facts
We can agree to disagree.

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No self-respect.

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Yeah but then whenever you get into a fight the fact she left always comes up in some way and also all your friends think you're a push over for putting up with her
......but shes like a really hawt super model...


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lol i really cant say a i care i miss him but for 8mil he can go blow himself..... id of loved to still have him but the situation is he fell out of love with he team so forget it......can we close this thread so we stop arguing over this nonsence lol itll never happen.

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I'd take him back, but not as captain

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Sure. That won't undermine the current leadership at all.

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According to Melnyk if we signed Alfie for what he was asking we wouldn't have Ryan. Ryan is a better player than Alfredsson, and this team is better without him. The leadership speel means nothing. Alfredsson was not an exceptional leader.



I don't think it was a good thing for the franchise in terms of optics, but ultimately I don't think it makes a huge deal in the long or short run. It's something easy to blame because of the teams struggles, but the team is part of the reason that Alfie jumped ship.



We can agree to disagree.
Oh so when Maclean say Alfie was an exceptional leader and the Detroit Red Wings player and Babcock say he is an exceptional leader and when the Bruins say they wanted him for his leadership, what they really mean is "We wanted to play for us and pay him $5.5 million because he's not a good leader"

Glad your here to cut through all this Coach of the Year and GM of the year double speak.

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Sure. That won't undermine the current leadership at all.
You mean they can get worse?

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No self-respect.
Winning >>> ''self-respect''

and I think you mean stubbornness, not self respect

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Yeah but then whenever you get into a fight the fact she left always comes up in some way and also all your friends think you're a push over for putting up with her
Who cares about that. who cares what your friends say. Will they sleep with you? At least you won't be a lonely middle aged man

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