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12-06-2013, 01:42 AM
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Rangers board winter sale

These are the players the Rangers board think should be shipped out, they don't seem to fit in this new AV system. I don't agree with the list but I am interested in the value

Pouliot,
Pyatt,
DZ,
J Moore,
Callahan,
Girardi,
Staal,
Brass,
Stepan,

Make your offers.

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12-06-2013, 01:44 AM
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We'll take Stepan if you guys don't want him.

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We'll take Stepan if you guys don't want him.
That's not an offer, where is your offer?

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I'll take Girardi....in the offseason.

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Del Zotto to Minnesota for Zucker & Prosser.

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Franson + 2nd round pick for Girardi.


NYR better their PP, and get a big, physical player with a booming RH shot. Who's great offensively. (sucks defensively)

TOR betters their PK, get a defensively responsible RH player, who can consistently shut opposition down. (sucks offensively)

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Who the hell said we should move Stepan? Like, one person?

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These are the players the Rangers board think should be shipped out, they don't seem to fit in this new AV system. I don't agree with the list but I am interested in the value

Pouliot,
Pyatt,
DZ,
J Moore,
Callahan,
Girardi,
Staal,
Brass,
Stepan,

Make your offers.
What the hell is this?

Why do you want to trade John Moore?

Better question: why do you want to trade our Captain Ryan Callahan?

Even better question: why the hell do you want to trade Stepan?

Do you mind explaining what you mean by "they don't fit AV's system?"



There are four players we need to get rid of:

Pyatt, Pouliot, Powe and Asham. Three P's and an A. Kind of like a gang-bang.

Del Zotto should be shopped and traded ONLY if the price is right. It's no secret that Del Zotto is on the trading block.

I would take calls on Girardi and Brassard (because they're free agents at the end of the year and we're going to be pressed up against the cap), but it better be great value because A) we're poised to make the playoffs and we need the best players. B) Girardi is our #1 RHD and we NEED a RHD. The only other one on our roster is Stralman and he belongs on the second pair so if we trade Girardi, I expect there's a plan in place to bring in a cheaper, younger, but just as good RHD. C) we need a #2 C if we trade Brassard because Richards will be amnestied at the end of the year. We have a #1 C in Stepan, but very little depth after that.

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12-06-2013, 02:16 AM
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Franson + 2nd round pick for Girardi.


NYR better their PP, and get a big, physical player with a booming RH shot. Who's great offensively. (sucks defensively)

TOR betters their PK, get a defensively responsible RH player, who can consistently shut opposition down. (sucks offensively)
Ehhhhhh. I don't think that's a bad offer or breakdown and I would certainly welcome Franson, but I don't see how he's much of an upgrade over Girardi. Like you said, he sucks defensively and personally, I believe a defenseman should play defense first offense second, which is one of the reasons why I like Girardi so much. If the Rangers opt not to re-sign Stralman, I think Franson would be the perfect replacement.

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Better question: why do you want to trade our Captain Ryan Callahan?
He's playing like garbage and is going to get massively overpaid this offseason? IMO, he should absolutely be traded at the deadline unless the Rangers go on some miraculous run. Girardi, too. Seriously doubt Sather goes for it, though.

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These are the players the Rangers board think should be shipped out, they don't seem to fit in this new AV system. I don't agree with the list but I am interested in the value

Pouliot,
Pyatt,
DZ,
J Moore,
Callahan,
Girardi,
Staal,
Brass,
Stepan,

Make your offers.
The bolded are not on the market unless there is serious overpayment. MDZ could be moved for the right deal. The rest are scraps. Don't make the rest of us look stupid. Who else wants to trade their #1 center, team captain, and 2 of their top 4 d-men…. and what the heck does "not fit into AV's system" mean?

What are we going to get for John Moore? A 2nd round pick? The guy is progressing into a solid 2nd pair d-man.

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12-06-2013, 02:25 AM
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Ehhhhhh. I don't think that's a bad offer or breakdown and I would certainly welcome Franson, but I don't see how he's much of an upgrade over Girardi. Like you said, he sucks defensively and personally, I believe a defenseman should play defense first offense second, which is one of the reasons why I like Girardi so much. If the Rangers opt not to re-sign Stralman, I think Franson would be the perfect replacement.
He's not an upgrade…. hence the +2nd round pick. No reason to trade the teams #1 RD for a downgrade just to add a 2nd…

Do you really see a playoff team downgrading their roster to add a 2nd rounder?

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He's playing like garbage and is going to get massively overpaid this offseason? IMO, he should absolutely be traded at the deadline unless the Rangers go on some miraculous run. Girardi, too. Seriously doubt Sather goes for it, though.
Seriously? He's been rough the last few games, but c'mon dude, you can't just have a knee-jerk reaction because a player struggles for a few games. Even so, his worth transcends his stats. He's our Captain; he's the leader and he's still young. You trade him and you're taking an absolutely huge, unnecessary risk. Hell, look at Ottawa losing their Captain for so many years.
I am afraid though that we won't be able to retain him though in the offseason because he'll price himself out of our range. I mean I thought Lundqvist would give us a hometown discount and he didn't. Even so, I still wouldn't trade him unless I'm absolutely floored and I mean jaw-on-the-floor, "that makes the McDonagh trade look like nothing" floored.

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12-06-2013, 02:26 AM
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I think the Rangers move Rick Nash before Derek Stepan.

Rangers need to add centers, not subtract them. Richards is better on LW and they need to get a legit 2C to keep Richards on the wing. I don't think they are a lock to resign Brassard either. That being said, I think everyone wants a top six center, but those guys are very hard to get.

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He's not an upgrade…. hence the +2nd round pick. No reason to trade the teams #1 RD for a downgrade just to add a 2nd…

Do you really see a playoff team downgrading their roster to add a 2nd rounder?
Well, like I said before, I would take calls on Girardi simply because he's an UFA and we might not be able to afford to retain him, but I would want some serious value coming back if we trade him. I mean I think we have a great shot this year to make a run, which is why I'm not crazy about trading any of the players listed above, except for Pouliot, Pyatt, Powe, Asham and possibly Del Zotto.

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I think the Rangers move Rick Nash before Derek Stepan.

Rangers need to add centers, not subtract them. Richards is better on LW and they need to get a legit 2C to keep Richards on the wing. I don't think they are a lock to resign Brassard either. That being said, I think everyone wants a top six center, but those guys are very hard to get.
No, let's trade Stepan. It makes perfect sense to trade our #1 center, then buy out Richards, and let Brassard walk. 2014-2015 Rangers can feature Brian Boyle and Dom Moore at center….

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These are the players the Rangers board think should be shipped out, they don't seem to fit in this new AV system. I don't agree with the list but I am interested in the value

Pouliot,
Pyatt,
DZ,
J Moore,
Callahan,
Girardi,
Staal,
Brass,
Stepan,

Make your offers.
Pouliot & Pyatt - draft picks

DZ > Brett Connolly and RHD

Callahan and Moore > Ryan Kesler and ?

Girardi > Rick Peverley and RHD

Brassard > Kevin Klein

Staal > Ottawa 1st & Kyle Palmieri

Stepan not for sale


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MDZ for Ryan Strome… and then I woke up ;-)

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These are the players the Rangers board think should be shipped out, they don't seem to fit in this new AV system. I don't agree with the list but I am interested in the value

Pouliot,
Pyatt,
DZ,
J Moore,
Callahan,
Girardi,
Staal,
Brass,
Stepan,

Make your offers.
Legitimately thought Rangers posters were on the chopping block. That would have been interesting.

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MDZ for Ryan Strome… and then I woke up ;-)
I at least tried to be realistic

MDZ for Pulock and Nelson was shot down by Snow apparently.

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I at least tried to be realistic

MDZ for Pulock and Nelson was shot down by Snow apparently.
Interesting that Sather and Snow even talk to each other… I would sign up for that deal in a heart beat.

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Seriously? He's been rough the last few games, but c'mon dude, you can't just have a knee-jerk reaction because a player struggles for a few games.
I've wanted to trade him since the offseason. He's going to demand a ridiculous salary, and Sather's probably going to cave. I think he'd return back a good bundle of valuable pieces that could help the Rangers be better in the near future.

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Even so, his worth transcends his stats.
I'd say his stats have been covering up his sub par play since the 11-12 season. While his numbers were good last year, I was not impressed with his overall game on most nights. His physicality and tenacity is not nearly as impressive as it was two years ago, and his defensive prowess has dipped significantly. His shorthanded TOI has been cut in half from last season. He takes stupid/worthless shots that don't generate rebounds, he is an abortion with the puck on the rush, and constantly loses puck battles/turns the puck over at the slightest of interruptions.

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He's our Captain; he's the leader and he's still young.
I'd say Lundqvist is more "the leader" of the team than Callahan. I've also never had issues with Callahan as captain in years past, but with how lethargic and uninspired the team has looked at times this season, I'd say he hasn't done his job this season at all. I can't even remember the last time he laid someone out on the forecheck. Two years ago,m he'd come out and set the tone for the team nearly every shift. Now? He looks like a shell of his former self.

Also, while 28 isn't old, his style of play tends to lead to a short offensive prime, and with the way he has looked this season, I'd say the physical abuse he has been putting himself through has taken it's toll on him.

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You trade him and you're taking an absolutely huge, unnecessary risk. Hell, look at Ottawa losing their Captain for so many years.
Callahan has been the captain for about 3 seasons. Alfredsson was there for 17 years and is the team's leader in basically every statistic. I don't see how the situations are comparable at ALL.

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I at least tried to be realistic

MDZ for Pulock and Nelson was shot down by Snow apparently.
I would run around the streets of my town naked if this trade went through...hell, I'd do that if we could Nelson straight up. And I am a big time DZ apologist. I actually kind of want to keep him, I don't think he should be moved unless we get a young scoring forward in return.

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I would run around the streets of my town naked if this trade went through...hell, I'd do that if we could Nelson straight up. And I am a big time DZ apologist. I actually kind of want to keep him, I don't think he should be moved unless we get a young scoring forward in return.
I agree with that - and I've never really been a big MDZ fan. I'm def not giving the guy away…

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