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12-07-2013, 09:15 AM
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Edmonton/Buffalo

Posted this idea in the Eberle thread and got positive feedback from a couple Oil fans. Curious to see how more of their fanbase responds to it, as well as what my fellow Sabres fans think.

To EDM:
Marcus Foligno
Mark Pysyk

To BUF:
Jordan Eberle


Edmonton adds a young middle 6 power winger who could blossom into a top sixer with the talented forwards Edmonton already has. He's currently 2nd on the Sabres team in hits (behind only Ott) and also 2nd in points per 60mins at even strength, even though his raw offensive totals this year aren't overwhelming. They also add an Oil King alum on defense who projects as a very solid shutdown D who can efficiently move the puck, either with his skating or his passing. Buffalo moves some of the depth of young defensive talent they have to fast-track its offensive rebuild by adding a skilled young winger who knows how to finish plays.

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12-07-2013, 09:30 AM
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As a Buffalo fan, I'd have a hard time saying no, that's for sure.

The Sabres have built a nice stable of bottom-six forwards but lack high-end, top-line talent. I'm not a big fan of Eberle, but this is a trade they'd have to pull the trigger on based on organization need alone.

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12-07-2013, 09:32 AM
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I am guessing the Oilers could get a lot more for Eberle than a potential 2nd liner who is playing like a 3rd-4th liner now and a 2-4 dman.

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12-07-2013, 09:40 AM
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I was one of those Oiler fans saying yes, and stand by it. I understand the importance Eberle holds to our fan base, but we don't have a Foligno type in the system, or on our roster. It just seems like a deal that would benefit both teams in filling a need.

Eberle worked really well with Hodgson in the WJC years ago. Could elevate each other's play. If Foligno can be a 20 goal, 40pt PF I'm happy.

Top 6 going forward

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Not bad, better if we find an upgrade for Gagner.

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12-07-2013, 09:52 AM
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As a sabres fan I think it would be a tough one to stomach, but it might ultimately be worth it. Pysyk and Foligno are good at what they do, but we need scoring forwards.

As much as I like Pysyk, giving him up wouldn't ruin our defense as we still have: Myers, Erhoff, Risto, Zadorov, McNabb, and McCabe in our system.

This is probably a good deal as both teams don't particularly want to do it initially but know that it addresses a need.

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I'd rather stay the course and see what we obtain for high end talent in next two drafts. Foligno offers too much in what we've been lacking for years... Eberle is a younger Vanek/Pominville

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12-07-2013, 10:20 AM
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Posted this idea in the Eberle thread and got positive feedback from a couple Oil fans. Curious to see how more of their fanbase responds to it, as well as what my fellow Sabres fans think.

To EDM:
Marcus Foligno
Mark Pysyk

To BUF:
Jordan Eberle


Edmonton adds a young middle 6 power winger who could blossom into a top sixer with the talented forwards Edmonton already has. He's currently 2nd on the Sabres team in hits (behind only Ott) and also 2nd in points per 60mins at even strength, even though his raw offensive totals this year aren't overwhelming. They also add an Oil King alum on defense who projects as a very solid shutdown D who can efficiently move the puck, either with his skating or his passing. Buffalo moves some of the depth of young defensive talent they have to fast-track its offensive rebuild by adding a skilled young winger who knows how to finish plays.
Yeah I'd do that deal. Pretty decent offer for both teams. Gives the sabres the top line winger they desperately need and gives Edmontom the future top 6 power forward they don't have in their system as well as a very solid young defenseman in Pysyk.

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I'd rather stay the course and see what we obtain for high end talent in next two drafts. Foligno offers too much in what we've been lacking for years... Eberle is a younger Vanek/Pominville
I feel like its harder to find an Eberle than a Foligno type of player. Also are the Sabres in a position to turn down a younger Vanek/Pominville? We have both types of players in our prospect group, but I think getting a guaranteed scorer is what we need.

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I feel like its harder to find an Eberle than a Foligno type of player. Also are the Sabres in a position to turn down a younger Vanek/Pominville? We have both types of players in our prospect group, but I think getting a guaranteed scorer is what we need.
Which is exactly what the next two drafts will be for.

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I think I grudgingly do this deal. Eberle is exactly the type of winger that compliments Hodgson's skill-sets. I would hate to let Foligno and/or Pysyk out of Buffalo as they are both a huge part of the plan, but I think it would benefit both teams mutually.

Buffalo still has Ott to be a smashmouth guy (it would then be imperative to re-up him ASAP), and Girgs, Adam and Kea as big bodys. Pysyk might actually be the harder guy to replace, but the young blueliners coming up give us a real chance to do so.

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I think I grudgingly do this deal. Eberle is exactly the type of winger that compliments Hodgson's skill-sets. I would hate to let Foligno and/or Pysyk out of Buffalo as they are both a huge part of the plan, but I think it would benefit both teams mutually.

Buffalo still has Ott to be a smashmouth guy (it would then be imperative to re-up him ASAP), and Girgs, Adam and Kea as big bodys. Pysyk might actually be the harder guy to replace, but the young blueliners coming up give us a real chance to do so.
Adam big body?

He plays smaller than Tyler Ennis.

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I haven't seen Pysyk play really, how has been doing? Is he a top 4 d-man?

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WHY WOULD EDMONTON DO THIS? If Eberle ever got moved, which is very unlikely, he would be moved for either a top pairing defenceman or a top 6 forward like Simmonds +..

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Absolutely not. Jesus that's bad. Myers+ for Eberle, that's the price. I might do Yakupov for Foligno and Pysyk, but the value there is pretty questionable too.

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I think I grudgingly do this deal. Eberle is exactly the type of winger that compliments Hodgson's skill-sets. I would hate to let Foligno and/or Pysyk out of Buffalo as they are both a huge part of the plan, but I think it would benefit both teams mutually.

Buffalo still has Ott to be a smashmouth guy (it would then be imperative to re-up him ASAP), and Girgs, Adam and Kea as big bodys. Pysyk might actually be the harder guy to replace, but the young blueliners coming up give us a real chance to do so.
Any time your team bends another team over, you should be willing to do it.

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12-07-2013, 12:20 PM
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Absolutely not. These are two un proven players for a 23 year old star forward..

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And there we have it.


No deal.

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I was one of those Oiler fans saying yes, and stand by it. I understand the importance Eberle holds to our fan base, but we don't have a Foligno type in the system, or on our roster. It just seems like a deal that would benefit both teams in filling a need.

Eberle worked really well with Hodgson in the WJC years ago. Could elevate each other's play. If Foligno can be a 20 goal, 40pt PF I'm happy.

Top 6 going forward

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Not bad, better if we find an upgrade for Gagner.
We don't have a Foligno on the roster, but we sure do have them in the system, we've been drafting loads of them in recent years. Mitch Moroz (yeah, people thinks he sucks because we drafted another Oil King, but he's good), Jujhar Khaira, and to a lesser extent Tyler Pitlick, are all comparables, albeit not ready right away. You don't move Eberle for a 3rd line heavy-hitter who might develop good offense someday to become a 2nd liner.

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Grigorenko and Pysyk would be closer in terms of value IMO. Plus Oil management likes Grig back to the days around his draft, where they at least considered taking him first.

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Absolutely not. Jesus that's bad. Myers+ for Eberle, that's the price. I might do Yakupov for Foligno and Pysyk, but the value there is pretty questionable too.
Good luck with that.

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12-07-2013, 12:54 PM
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Not a bad deal for both teams.
But, I'd think edm could get a little better offer than that for Eberle if he was being shopped for real.

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Grigorenko and Pysyk would be closer in terms of value IMO. Plus Oil management likes Grig back to the days around his draft, where they at least considered taking him first.
Buffalo ruined Grigs by bringing him up to the bigs too quick, hopefully Lafontaine can fix that problem

I agree you don't trade a legit top LW for prospects and a 3rd line player. Eberle .80 point per game player at 23 and signed for 6mil a year for the next 6 yrs, you don't trade him for help on the 3rd line and a dman prospect. Myers is unproven.
KEEP EBERLE.

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A lot of people aren't realizing that pysyk isn't just some prospect. He's already a solid player in the NHL at 21. He's going to be a 2nd or 3rd defenseman for a very long time.

That being said it's still a tough deal for either team to take.

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A lot of people aren't realizing that pysyk isn't just some prospect. He's already a solid player in the NHL at 21. He's going to be a 2nd or 3rd defenseman for a very long time.

That being said it's still a tough deal for either team to take.
Yeah, I think some people are underrating/just haven't seen much of Pysyk. He's silky smooth out there. Very effective defensively already and just very calm, with and without the puck. Rarely makes mistakes.

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We don't have a Foligno on the roster, but we sure do have them in the system, we've been drafting loads of them in recent years. Mitch Moroz (yeah, people thinks he sucks because we drafted another Oil King, but he's good), Jujhar Khaira, and to a lesser extent Tyler Pitlick, are all comparables, albeit not ready right away. You don't move Eberle for a 3rd line heavy-hitter who might develop good offense someday to become a 2nd liner.
Moroz might be a 4th liner if we're lucky. Same with Khaira. Foligno could play in our top 6 because he'd be bringing an element that doesn't exist there. If Moroz develops into an NHL regular then it's icing on the cake. We are butter soft, have been for the last 7 years, and we've seen what a winning recipe that is.

If Foligno puts up 40-50 pts consistently while Eberle puts up 65-75 consistently then I'm happy for both teams. There are players currently on our roster that can replace Eberle's role. There is no one on our roster doing the things Foligno does.

I'm also very much in favour of breaking up the Hall and Ebs bromance that seems to be creating a click in the dressing room that Ference talked about. Sometimes it sounds like Hall's more worried about Ebs being his wing man at the bar vs his wing man on the ice.

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