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01-08-2014, 09:16 AM
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Visnovsky and Strait are different than PMB, Regin and Carkner/Martinek, who people wanted in the lineup instead of guys like Strome, Nelson and CdH, who some were against playing because they wanted to play it safe... or whatever excuse they gave.

..and yes, both Poulin and Nilsson have been better than Nabby. And I like Nabby.

I won't even bring up Reinhart, mainly because you whine every time I do(probably because you were so adamant about us not needing him).

Honestly, how do you think our defense would look right now without deHaan?
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Funny how things change. No way would I ever deal deHaan straight up for Kulikov. Maybe Snow and Co. were right after all?
It is entertaining reading posters go from "trade this bum" to "one of our best defensemen".

I strongly believe that some players are better fit for the NHL game and can struggle at lower levels. deHaan seems to fit that mold based on his poise with the puck and overall hockey sense.

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Love the way he plays the game. I really hope the shoulder problems are behind him

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i have purposely held back in my assessment. wanted to see more.

never saw him play before, except at the juniors. liked what i saw, but was bit disappointed that we didn't draft more size. was worried about his durability, after a few injuries.

after a month of watching him, i am very impressed. not only is he what i was hoping for, but he is more. his physicality is a pleasant surprise. and for a young guy, he is very consistent. very few lapses.

going into this year, i was doubtful that he had a future with us. i was drooling over our big, young Dmen, and thought that he would be lucky to get more than a few years with us.

boy was i wrong. he looks like a keeper. honestly, i think we would be a half dozen points lower, if he hadn't shown up when he did. too bad that he didn't come up instead of Donovan. we would probably have half a dozen more points.

nice to see him get a few points recently. he deserves them.
Wow! We actually agree on something.

This kid is the real deal. He is everything Donovan is not. Has great vision, takes care of his own end, doesn't cough up the puck and looks to be fundamentally sound. I like that he more often opts to ride a guy off the puck rather than trying to stick check. Most importantly he doesn't looked overmatched by the NHL game.

I don't foresee Snow moving him because he could be one of the "can't miss prospects" that Snow can hang his hat on.

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i have purposely held back in my assessment. wanted to see more.

never saw him play before, except at the juniors. liked what i saw, but was bit disappointed that we didn't draft more size. was worried about his durability, after a few injuries.

after a month of watching him, i am very impressed. not only is he what i was hoping for, but he is more. his physicality is a pleasant surprise. and for a young guy, he is very consistent. very few lapses.

going into this year, i was doubtful that he had a future with us. i was drooling over our big, young Dmen, and thought that he would be lucky to get more than a few years with us.

boy was i wrong. he looks like a keeper. honestly, i think we would be a half dozen points lower, if he hadn't shown up when he did. too bad that he didn't come up instead of Donovan. we would probably have half a dozen more points.

nice to see him get a few points recently. he deserves them.
well said rikker. I agree about the physical play as well, that's a part of his game that didn't really exist in junior but now he's pretty smart regarding when and how to initiate contact and he doesn't really go out of his way and get out of position in order to make a hit. He's made mistakes and been caught a few times, no doubt, but his recovery and ability to learn from mistakes is as good as anyone I've seen on the Islanders in a long time.

I love the way he carries the puck out of the zone. His lateral movements and fluid skating makes him so elusive out there. You can see the hesitation on opposing forecheckers, again, almost like a running back.

I'd love to see him on the PP instead of MacDonald. I'd hate AMac's game much less if he weren't on the PP (and played 10-12 minutes)

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It is entertaining reading posters go from "trade this bum" to "one of our best defensemen".

I strongly believe that some players are better fit for the NHL game and can struggle at lower levels. deHaan seems to fit that mold based on his poise with the puck and overall hockey sense.
It's amazing how 1 capable d-man can completely change the dynamic of a defense corps. I don't think many of us questioned his talent, he just couldn't stay healthy. He is exactly what we needed and just keeps improving.

He had his best game against Toronto. He had some bad luck with that flukey 1st goal and the Lupul deflection in the 3rd. He was solid and he made a lot of good pinches, he was much more aggressive and you can see that he's gaining confidence. He could put up some points, he has all the tools. His chemistry with Hamonic is also improving and they look quite good together, I love the play where CDH missed his hip check and Hamonic was right there to back him up. There was another play where CDH backed up Hammer and took out the forward driving the net.

I want to see what he can do on the PP. Hey Doug Weight, try it out.

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I think the word is patience

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Strongly disagree
That post was from a month ago. Before Nabokov came back from injury. Either way, you're right, his play post injury was better than anything we've had all year from any goaltender.

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It's amazing how 1 capable d-man can completely change the dynamic of a defense corps. I don't think many of us questioned his talent, he just couldn't stay healthy. He is exactly what we needed and just keeps improving.

He had his best game against Toronto. He had some bad luck with that flukey 1st goal and the Lupul deflection in the 3rd. He was solid and he made a lot of good pinches, he was much more aggressive and you can see that he's gaining confidence. He could put up some points, he has all the tools. His chemistry with Hamonic is also improving and they look quite good together, I love the play where CDH missed his hip check and Hamonic was right there to back him up. There was another play where CDH backed up Hammer and took out the forward driving the net.

I want to see what he can do on the PP. Hey Doug Weight, try it out.
He should be there, but they are not going to change anything as long as it's clicking... which it is. If/when they start to struggle, that's when I'd look for CdH to get his shot. Especially if he continues to put up points from now until then.

BTW, anyone else think CdH could benefit greatly from Visnovsky once he gets back? He's under contract for another year after this one, so they still should have some time together even if he doesn't come back this year. I wouldn't separate the CdH-Hamonic pairing, but I think practice-wise maybe Vis could kind of tutor deHaan on QBing an NHL PP.

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I think the word is patience
Completely agree.

With the emergence of our prized kids, the Isles look like they know what they're doing at the draft table. It's hard to really screw up when you have a perennial top-5 pick, but they've had a nice balance of upside/need to their selections. 2009 is looking better and better the more CDH impresses. He has all the look of a developing top-4 d-man at the NHL level and could be more. He was a projection pick and a bit of a reach, but the Isles must have fallen in love with his intelligence and character. The kid has been through a lot and he has earned the praise we are giving him.

I forget the exact story with him, but he was one of the younger players in his draft class and was a toothpick. He was drafted by Oshawa, but he decided to play at a lower league for a year before joining them because he felt that he wasn't ready - a pretty mature decision for a 15/16 year old teenager. We drafted him after playing only 1 OHL season. He impressed Oshawa so much during his rookie season that they traded MDZ. He made Team Canada for the WJC so they saw his talent too. The 2009 Draft was the key date for this team because we got Tavares, but de Haan emerging is such a huge bonus. Like JT, CDH's body is starting to catch up with his mind.

It's a thing of beauty to watch him skate the puck out of the zone, I get visions of Sergei Zubov with how smooth he is and ability to make quick solid decisions for zone entry. He's an 'old' 22 year old, he's also becoming a man. I think he's growing his facial hair to make us forget that scrawny kid we drafted. Thank the hockey gods we seem to stress hockey IQ and character in our picks.

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I really don't see him having any huge offensive upside but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to see what he could do on the PP. He can't be any worse than Harmonic. Everyone wants Amac off the PP but I don't see anyone else on D that could do the job better right now.

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Stylisticslly, he reminds me of Suter.

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CDH and Donovan make me think of the word "pedigree". Yes, Donovan has progressed nicely up to this year and is now making a tough transition to the NHL. But we have to remember he was a 4th round draft pick, and there was a reason for that. CDH was a top 15 pick, and there was a reason for that. Obviously some 1st rounders bust (not that rare), and some 4th rounders really excel (actually pretty rare). But I think this season we're seeing confirmation of their draft positions. In the 1st round you hope for a top 3 or 4 defenseman. In the 4th round you're happy with a bottom pairing PP specialist.

BTW, it's a similar thing with Anders Lee. He's done very well for himself so far, but as a 6th round draft pick it's hard to expect more than a 3rd or (more likely) 4th line career from him.

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Wow, who is this guy? He's fantastic!


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So far I've been pleased with CDH's play. I wrongly had him pegged as a bust due to his injuries and ok play in AHL. He might still become a bust but every game he's been up, he's been pretty good. If he keeps it up, he will not only win himself a slot on the defense the rest of the year, but for next season onwards.

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De haan was/is a highly rated prospect. I have followed him since he was drafted, and I'm not surprised with his quality play. However, he has suffered some serious injuries that could have been career ending. So I am and have been a big fan but like any other rookie Calvin is going to have his ups and downs. As long as he stays healthy, Calvin will grow into a good first pairing or great second pairing defense man. Just watching this kid with guys hanging off him making that first pass out of the zone was worth the wait. He hasn't even started to show what he can do; he's still learning the ropes. Wait it gets better.

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He has been a breath of fresh air in the stench that has been our season so far. With his passing ability alone he would be miles ahead of Amac on our PP. Let's hope the kids injury bug is past him because he has been our best defenseman of late.

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I disagree. His injury history was not normal for guys in his spot. I don't think anyone had a problem with his tools. I am just amazed at what he can do regardless of injuries, with how much development time he missed. To say he has defied logic and reason would be putting it mildly.

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I disagree. His injury history was not normal for guys in his spot. I don't think anyone had a problem with his tools. I am just amazed at what he can do regardless of injuries, with how much development time he missed. To say he has defied logic and reason would be putting it mildly.
Maybe there was some truth to the reports of him almost earning a spot as an 18 year old? You are right, with the development time he's missed it is amazing that he's transitioned this well into the NHL. The only explanation is that he may have been ready for quite some time. If anything, his body filling out these past two seasons has been the biggest part of his development.

He's always had the skill/smarts, but his ability to hold his own physically has maybe been the most encouraging part of his rookie season thus far.

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According to HF's prospect rankings, we have 7 D-prospects that are better than deHaan. What a bright future indeed!

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i have purposely held back in my assessment. wanted to see more.

never saw him play before, except at the juniors. liked what i saw, but was bit disappointed that we didn't draft more size. was worried about his durability, after a few injuries.

after a month of watching him, i am very impressed. not only is he what i was hoping for, but he is more. his physicality is a pleasant surprise. and for a young guy, he is very consistent. very few lapses.

going into this year, i was doubtful that he had a future with us. i was drooling over our big, young Dmen, and thought that he would be lucky to get more than a few years with us.

boy was i wrong. he looks like a keeper. honestly, i think we would be a half dozen points lower, if he hadn't shown up when he did. too bad that he didn't come up instead of Donovan. we would probably have half a dozen more points.

nice to see him get a few points recently. he deserves them.
Couldn't have said it better.

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So far I've been pleased with CDH's play. I wrongly had him pegged as a bust due to his injuries and ok play in AHL. He might still become a bust but every game he's been up, he's been pretty good. If he keeps it up, he will not only win himself a slot on the defense the rest of the year, but for next season onwards.
He's played pretty well, but like Bill Parcells used to say, let's not get a bust of his likeness for the Hall of Fame just yet. He is -8, so that is worrisome. Even the whipping boy fo the year, Matt Donovan is -5. So I'm not gonna get too excited, BUT, I do like his calmness and his passing, as well as his skating. We shall see, nice to see the kid get his first assists on Monday and his first NHL goal last night.

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His +/- has everything to do with the assignments he's getting and the teams poor goaltending. Also, the fact that up until recently he wasn't getting paired with the top line (who account for almost all of this teams offense).

Don't read into +/-..... use your eyes instead.

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Anyone else notice that all of a sudden he's putting points on the board? Seems like it coincides with them putting him out with the Tavares line, doesn't it? Coincidence?

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Anyone else notice that all of a sudden he's putting points on the board? Seems like it coincides with them putting him out with the Tavares line, doesn't it? Coincidence?
I've been saying his for a while. AMac-Hickey were getting the majority of time with JT in offensive zone starts and that's when Hickey was doing his Paul Coffey routine. I have seen CDH and Hammer being deployed more in those situations gradually. Whoever gets time with the 1st line, they put up some points.

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