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01-19-2014, 04:18 AM
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Ryan Strome fills in next year as the two center.

Nielsen is having a career year. You could sell on the high side.

Remember we are not trying to lose depth so an AHL player or draft pick would most likely be the main meat in the deal.
I would trade our #4 defenseman Johnny Oduya for Nielsen. If that didn't work Chicago offers a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Nielsen.

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01-19-2014, 04:28 AM
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What would it take for Hamhuis instead of Edler?
Honestly Hamhuis is just an integral part of the Canucks, nothing short of Tavares would get Hamhuis out of Vancouver. Absolutely ludicrous but he's that big to the Canucks.

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01-19-2014, 06:03 AM
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I would trade our #4 defenseman Johnny Oduya for Nielsen. If that didn't work Chicago offers a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Nielsen.
No interest in flipping Nielsen for Oduya.

And with their stockpile of prospects, I cannot see the isles trading 29 yr old Nielsen for 2nd and a 3rd.Isles are tryig to win now, not several yrs done the road.

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01-19-2014, 06:09 AM
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With Ryan Strome now leading the AHL in points, he seems ready to step into the NHL as the 2nd line center. Nielsen has been very good this year, and it would be good for the Islanders to move him while his value is fairly high and acquire a defenseman. Any kind of defenseman would help this team (PMD, two-way, stay at home), but it has to be an NHL defenseman, no prospects or kids.

What defenseman could the Islanders get for Frans Nielsen? Cody Franson? Niklas Hjalmarsson? Kevin Klein?

Feel free to add on either side.
Petry ?

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Why trade the ONLY guy that the isles can rely on to score outside of the 1st line. As good as people think Strome and Nelson are, they aren't there yet. Nielsen isn't going anywhere.

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01-19-2014, 09:39 AM
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With Ryan Strome now leading the AHL in points, he seems ready to step into the NHL as the 2nd line center. Nielsen has been very good this year, and it would be good for the Islanders to move him while his value is fairly high and acquire a defenseman. Any kind of defenseman would help this team (PMD, two-way, stay at home), but it has to be an NHL defenseman, no prospects or kids.

What defenseman could the Islanders get for Frans Nielsen? Cody Franson? Niklas Hjalmarsson? Kevin Klein?

Feel free to add on either side.
Sure.

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01-19-2014, 10:25 AM
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Why trade the ONLY guy that the isles can rely on to score outside of the 1st line. As good as people think Strome and Nelson are, they aren't there yet. Nielsen isn't going anywhere.
Now it's more of an off-season request than a deadline request.

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Sure.
There should be a plus with Franson IMO.

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With Ryan Strome now leading the AHL in points, he seems ready to step into the NHL as the 2nd line center. Nielsen has been very good this year, and it would be good for the Islanders to move him while his value is fairly high and acquire a defenseman. Any kind of defenseman would help this team (PMD, two-way, stay at home), but it has to be an NHL defenseman, no prospects or kids.

What defenseman could the Islanders get for Frans Nielsen? Cody Franson? Niklas Hjalmarsson? Kevin Klein?

Feel free to add on either side.
Strome can play wing. Nielsen has been great and trading him hurts too much. For Edler that would be an exception but what do Isles add and how much doesn't Edler want salary wise.
Frans nielsen and Donovan I would do.

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I would trade our #4 defenseman Johnny Oduya for Nielsen. If that didn't work Chicago offers a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Nielsen.
Nielsen costs at least a first. I would be more interested in Pirri then picks.

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Too bad the isles have those pesky things called scouts

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Why trade the ONLY guy that the isles can rely on to score outside of the 1st line. As good as people think Strome and Nelson are, they aren't there yet. Nielsen isn't going anywhere.
Agreed, we cannot afford to lose Nielsen yet, maybe after next season is over, but trading him now is a mistake IMO.

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No interest in flipping Nielsen for Oduya.

And with their stockpile of prospects, I cannot see the isles trading 29 yr old Nielsen for 2nd and a 3rd.Isles are tryig to win now, not several yrs done the road.
Okay well how about a center piece of Kris Versteeg or Nick Leddy other options as far as a Chicago draft pick or prospect could be in the deal if salary is retained by NYI.

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Okay well how about a center piece of Kris Versteeg or Nick Leddy other options as far as a Chicago draft pick or prospect could be in the deal if salary is retained by NYI.
I would love Nick Leddy, but the Islanders will not retain salary on anyone.

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01-20-2014, 01:48 AM
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Nielsen costs at least a first. I would be more interested in Pirri then picks.
Seriously, the Chicago Blackhawks are not trading Oduya or Hjalmarsson.

Brandon Pirri and Jeremy Morin are on the table.

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I would love Nick Leddy, but the Islanders will not retain salary on anyone.
So would a number of other NHL franchises.

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Halak and Leopold for Nielsen plus a second rounder

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Halak and Leopold for Nielsen plus a second rounder
Not for rental Halak, and Leopold isn't who I'd want from St. Louis. I'd want Polak.

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Ryan Strome fills in next year as the two center.

Nielsen is having a career year. You could sell on the high side.

Remember we are not trying to lose depth so an AHL player or draft pick would most likely be the main meat in the deal.
Pirri could be a part of that deal. I'd prefer keeping Pirri obviously, but we both know Q doesn't favor him. He should not be in the AHL. He should be moved. The Islanders need defensemen now though, so we couldn't trade them Clendening or something. Kostka hasn't been terrible for us, but that wouldn't be enough for the Isles, even with Pirri in the mix. I don't want to move Oduya.

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So would a number of other NHL franchises.
Yeah, and I am pretty sure a few teams would like Nielsen. What do you think is going to happen, gonna get him for an asset other teams don't want?

Anyway, unlike my fellow isles fans, I would not do Nielsen for Leddy. The isles already have the smallest blueline in the league. Yeah, he has tons of talent. But, a defense of CDH, Vish, Ness, Leddy, nd AMAc hardly strikes fear into the opposition.

Pirri, answers no questions for the isles. We need a vet defender, not a prospect forward. I don't knowwhy isles would even consider him a trade target anyway since Strome and Nelson are well ahead of him.

ChiHawks do not belong in this conversation, IMO. Contenders do not trade vet defenders late in the season.


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Ryan Strome fills in next year as the two center.

Nielsen is having a career year. You could sell on the high side.

Remember we are not trying to lose depth so an AHL player or draft pick would most likely be the main meat in the deal.
If all you have to move are picks a fed prospects, keep moving. Nothing to see here.

Picks and prospect will land you rentals, which, IMO, is all a strong team like Chi needs.

But, you are not getting Nielsen for that.

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Franson + Reimer for Nielsen

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Unless you want to lose 10 points a season (his shootout goals) Frans Nielsen is untouchable IMO. ABSOLUTELY UNTOUCHABLE....

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As it stands, I dont think Nelson and/or Strome have passed Neilsen on the depth chart...Until that happens we cant afford to trade him....


If we did trade him I would want it to be a one for one trade for a top 4 dman or us adding....Not Nielsen for multiple pieces.... quality over quantity for this type of trade..

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I'm not advocating a trade of Frans Nielsen, I'm just saying his value will probably never be as high as it is now where he's scored enough to sell high on.

What would it take for Hamhuis instead of Edler?
He's a local BC boy who doesn't have much term left... I really don't think he's a valid target for NYI.

Edler can be a lot better than he has been this year. Prior to this season he's played as Vancouver's top guy, playing 23 minutes a game and averaging .57 PPG over the last 4 years. Oh and he has a 5m cap hit for 5 more years (26.75m salary).

I think him and Hamonic would be amazing together.

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He's a local BC boy who doesn't have much term left... I really don't think he's a valid target for NYI.

Edler can be a lot better than he has been this year. Prior to this season he's played as Vancouver's top guy, playing 23 minutes a game and averaging .57 PPG over the last 4 years. Oh and he has a 5m cap hit for 5 more years (26.75m salary).

Him and Hamonic would be amazing together.
I have no doubt that Edler is capable of bouncing back.

However, I don't think the Isles need another youngish fragile player. Nielsen is a leader. He's one of the very few veterans on the team and he leads by example. If he's traded tomorrow I'm expecting a veteran player in their prime with leadership skills coming back our way. I don't think Edler is the right guy for us right now.

Bieksa on the other hand...

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