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07-28-2005, 05:23 PM
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Van-Anaheim proposal (not jovanovski)

Kiril Koltsov ruutu and the Canucks 10th pick for anaheims second pick.

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If I were you, I'd delete this before you get ridiculed by everyone.

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Kiril Koltsov is Brian Burke's trophy D man that he drafted.

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All right, but don't say I didn't warn you.

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sorry not a big fan of either of those players...

Bryan Allen and the 10th would be a good start...

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Kiril Koltsov ruutu and the Canucks 10th pick for anaheims second pick.
No way Anaheim does this.

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OK lets change it....

Sopel and koltsov and 10th for the 2nd pick.

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OK lets change it....

Sopel and koltsov and 10th for the 2nd pick.
It's better than the other one, but still pointless for Anaheim. Why do we need Sopel?

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we're not all like this you know....

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It would have to include Bryan Allen to even get the Ducks thinking. I don't think its worth it for the Canucks to really make a push to get that low a pick. We'd need to offer up a good chunk of what we have now, and since the Canucks aren't a rebuilding team and the fact that we will definetely still get a good prospect at #10 just makes it rather unnecessary to give away so much when we have a good shot at getting a decent pick anyways.

Maybe moving down to number 5 - 7 would be good, but moving down to number 2 just doesn't work. Its too high a price, and Anaheim doesn't make the best trading partners with the Canucks. That and Burke knows our prospects inside and out.

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sorry not a big fan of either of those players...

Bryan Allen and the 10th would be a good start...

And a ridiculous overpayment.

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And a ridiculous overpayment.
Just for my edification - when has Allen shown that he's more than a decent #4 d-man? I like Allen, but to move up into the top 5 would take a guy with serious potential, not trading a bunch of tin for a little bit of gold.

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Here's a proposal... to get away from the 2nd overall pick.


Koltsov and conditional pick to Anahiem for Chistov.


reasoning: well the Burke-Nonis connection is there and gives them a chance to pull a small deal together.

Chistov has struggled and I'm sure Anahiem wouldn't be too upset to see him leave. He doesn't really fit into what Vancouver needs, but neither does Koltsov right now... the advantage for Anahiem is Koltsov can be signed to a 2-way deal, and would likely not impact a team's salary cap as much as Chistov (if at all impacting it), while still giving them a prospect with good upside - a pure offensive dman.

Chistov is one of those "risk" pickups for Vancouver... Burke did it with Hlavac and lost, maybe Nonis pulls it off with Chistov and gets lucky. At best, he's a solution for a winger with the Sedins... chances are slim, but why not take the risk? really no more a risk than Koltsov being the next Zubov.

Both players are talented and have a high possible ceiling... both need a change of scenery... the ducks may be able to use an offensive defense prospect, with all the solid forward prospects they've got coming up, while the canucks could use another forward prospect with some skill.

a high reward but high risk forward for a high reward but high risk dman.

more fair than Koltsov and a 10th for the 2nd??

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Here's a proposal... to get away from the 2nd overall pick.


Koltsov and conditional pick to Anahiem for Chistov.


reasoning: well the Burke-Nonis connection is there and gives them a chance to pull a small deal together.

Chistov has struggled and I'm sure Anahiem wouldn't be too upset to see him leave. He doesn't really fit into what Vancouver needs, but neither does Koltsov right now... the advantage for Anahiem is Koltsov can be signed to a 2-way deal, and would likely not impact a team's salary cap as much as Chistov (if at all impacting it), while still giving them a prospect with good upside - a pure offensive dman.

Chistov is one of those "risk" pickups for Vancouver... Burke did it with Hlavac and lost, maybe Nonis pulls it off with Chistov and gets lucky. At best, he's a solution for a winger with the Sedins... chances are slim, but why not take the risk? really no more a risk than Koltsov being the next Zubov.

Both players are talented and have a high possible ceiling... both need a change of scenery... the ducks may be able to use an offensive defense prospect, with all the solid forward prospects they've got coming up, while the canucks could use another forward prospect with some skill.

a high reward but high risk forward for a high reward but high risk dman.

more fair than Koltsov and a 10th for the 2nd??
It might be a fair proposal, but it doesn't really help either team. I think the Ducks will give Chistov one more chance at training camp in September. I think Stan will be ready to impress the coaches there.

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Just for my edification - when has Allen shown that he's more than a decent #4 d-man? I like Allen, but to move up into the top 5 would take a guy with serious potential, not trading a bunch of tin for a little bit of gold.
The thing is, Allen went at #4 in his draft year. People who don't like Allen have to recognize that most of these players will not do much in the NHL. Even in a deep draft, or top heavy, or whatever you want to call it, it's still pretty much a crap shoot. People shouldn't overhype draft picks. Yes they are important, but we should be realistic about them.

Teams in the Canucks situation don't trade pieces of their team for a player who may have an impact four years from now. Not if they want to actually win anything.

Allen has played extremely well at points, but certainly not consistantly to date. That said, he plays at the bottom end of a fairly deep defence... it's not like he's been given huge ice time in which to improve. He's been developed pretty slowly.

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