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12-09-2013, 06:25 PM
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Mark Fraser
Nikolai Kulemin


Mark Fayne
2nd round pick 2014

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Mark Fraser
Korbinian Holzer (RHD)


Mark Fayne

(1st one is better for NJD IMO)

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12-09-2013, 06:26 PM
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We have enough D. We don't want more D. No one wants Mark Fraser.

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12-09-2013, 06:28 PM
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We have enough D. We don't want more D. No one wants Mark Fraser.
I'm sure lots of people want Mark Fraser? Look at Ryan O'Byrne last year, he was absolute crap and he got a 4th.

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12-09-2013, 06:30 PM
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we have plenty D and we cant be giving up more picks

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12-09-2013, 06:31 PM
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I'm not keen on giving up a roster player like Kulemin, even as a UFA. Would do it if I had to, but would prefer prospect/pick. Kulemin would be valuable as a checking forward/PKer for a playoff run. I also don't want to rule out re-signing him either.

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12-09-2013, 06:31 PM
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we dont want anything to do with Mark Fraser. been there, done that.

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12-09-2013, 06:40 PM
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we dont want anything to do with Mark Fraser. been there, done that.
Well you aren't getting Biggs for Fayne either. Unless you want to give up a pick with Fayne, it's not going to happen. You can have Trevor Smith and Staubitz or something, Smith and Fayne play about equal. Otherwise, we could get far cheaper than what you are asking for a rental, especially since he isn't much better than Mark Fraser. We can just go with Holzer and get about the same result.

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Well you aren't getting Biggs for Fayne either. Unless you want to give up a pick with Fayne, it's not going to happen. You can have Trevor Smith and Staubitz or something, Smith and Fayne play about equal. Otherwise, we could get far cheaper than what you are asking for a rental, especially since he isn't much better than Mark Fraser. We can just go with Holzer and get about the same result.
hey a Leafs fan made this proposal, not a Devils fan. so take it up with him.

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12-09-2013, 06:45 PM
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I don't think Biggs will fetch a player like Fayne.

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Well you aren't getting Biggs for Fayne either. Unless you want to give up a pick with Fayne, it's not going to happen. You can have Trevor Smith and Staubitz or something, Smith and Fayne play about equal. Otherwise, we could get far cheaper than what you are asking for a rental, especially since he isn't much better than Mark Fraser. We can just go with Holzer and get about the same result.
Biggs looks to be at best a third liner at this point, probably worth a second-round pick. I think you're underestimating how good Fayne is - he's a legit second pairing defensive-minded D-man who also happens to a right-handed shot. Look at what defenseman went for last year. Douglas Murray, who sucked last year went for 2 late seconds.

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I don't think Biggs will fetch a player like Fayne.
Its essentially a rental, Fayne is UFA after this season.

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I don't think Biggs will fetch a player like Fayne.
In a normal situation, I'd agree, but Fayne is a UFA at the end of the year, and NJD has too many defenseman. I'm pretty sure Fayne's been scratched multiple times this year/last year simply because they had too many bodies.

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Its essentially a rental, Fayne is UFA after this season.
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In a normal situation, I'd agree, but Fayne is a UFA at the end of the year, and NJD has too many defenseman. I'm pretty sure Fayne's been scratched multiple times this year/last year simply because they had too many bodies.
That's interesting. I was not aware of his contractual situation. That said, unless NJ makes it clear they want to trade him, I don't think you can look at his value as a rental. If they do make it clear they wish to trade him, then the value is certainly closer.

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Biggs looks to be at best a third liner at this point, probably worth a second-round pick. I think you're underestimating how good Fayne is - he's a legit second pairing defensive-minded D-man who also happens to a right-handed shot. Look at what defenseman went for last year. Douglas Murray, who sucked last year went for 2 late seconds.
He's not a second pairing defenseman. He wouldn't be for us, he wouldn't be for most teams. As for Biggs, that's true, but I don't believe in trading desperately like that, especially since we can get much better rates than that for second pairing RHD. I'd give them Fraser and Kulemin for him and a 2nd. That's what I'm willing to pay, if they don't want it, we can get better deals from another team. I'm sure we can get Brett Bellemore for Liles (considering he's worth about the same as Fraser) at reduced cap. Brett Bellemore is a RHD who is just as good Fayne. Liles/Biggs, who'd I rather trade. Liles at this point. Anyhow, we shouldn't be looking for bottom pairing RHD, because we have one in Korbinian Holzer. We should be looking for a top 4 guy to replace Franson (Girardi for example) and a good bottom pairing LHD who plays good defensively (Gleason for example).

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He's not a second pairing defenseman. He wouldn't be for us, he wouldn't be for most teams. As for Biggs, that's true, but I don't believe in trading desperately like that, especially since we can get much better rates than that for second pairing RHD. I'd give them Fraser and Kulemin for him and a 2nd. That's what I'm willing to pay, if they don't want it, we can get better deals from another team. I'm sure we can get Brett Bellemore for Liles (considering he's worth about the same as Fraser) at reduced cap. Brett Bellemore is a RHD who is just as good Fayne. Liles/Biggs, who'd I rather trade. Liles at this point. Anyhow, we shouldn't be looking for bottom pairing RHD, because we have one in Korbinian Holzer. We should be looking for a top 4 guy to replace Franson (Girardi for example) and a good bottom pairing LHD who plays good defensively (Gleason for example).
he was a top pairing DMan on a team that was 2 games away from winning a Cup.

so I think he could easily be top 4.

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Is Mark Fayne the answer really?

If they(Leaf management) like him, They can get him for free in the summer.

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He's not a second pairing defenseman. He wouldn't be for us, he wouldn't be for most teams. As for Biggs, that's true, but I don't believe in trading desperately like that, especially since we can get much better rates than that for second pairing RHD. I'd give them Fraser and Kulemin for him and a 2nd. That's what I'm willing to pay, if they don't want it, we can get better deals from another team. I'm sure we can get Brett Bellemore for Liles (considering he's worth about the same as Fraser) at reduced cap. Brett Bellemore is a RHD who is just as good Fayne. Liles/Biggs, who'd I rather trade. Liles at this point. Anyhow, we shouldn't be looking for bottom pairing RHD, because we have one in Korbinian Holzer. We should be looking for a top 4 guy to replace Franson (Girardi for example) and a good bottom pairing LHD who plays good defensively (Gleason for example).
Well then I guess we're just disagreeing on how good Fayne is. No point in arguing then. I definitely see him as a viable #4 on most teams. But, I will point out that he's #1 in Quality of Competition faced on NJD.

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we also have Salvador, that's who the Leafs should be targeting. Very solid shutdown dman, great on the PK and blocking shots and he's shown he's clutch in the playoffs.

but to a playoff contending team like the Leafs, his value is a lot higher than Fayne's would be

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we also have Salvador, that's who the Leafs should be targeting. Very solid shutdown dman, great on the PK and blocking shots and he's shown he's clutch in the playoffs.

but to a playoff contending team like the Leafs, his value is a lot higher than Fayne's would be
Thought about Salvador, but he's a LHD (we only have 1 RHD in our top 8 defensemen!) and also your captain. I'd imagine we'd have to give up more assets which I'd prefer not to.

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he was a top pairing DMan on a team that was 2 games away from winning a Cup.

so I think he could easily be top 4.
Why is he being paid like a bottom pairing dman, if he can play top 4?

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Would prefer Merrill
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Why is he being paid like a bottom pairing dman, if he can play top 4?
dude

really?

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dude

really?
Im genuinely asking.

1.3M seems vastly underpaid considering he logged 20 minutes a game during your finals run.

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Why is he being paid like a bottom pairing dman, if he can play top 4?
Because Lou Lamoriello is a firm believer in the second contract before UFA.

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Because Lou Lamoriello is a firm believer in the second contract before UFA.
It still doesn't make sense to me.

You have a 24 year old logging in solid 20 minutes a game, your team went to the finals with him playing top 4 minutes.

You resign him dirt cheap for 2 years, making him a UFA after the deals up.

Why not just give him a 1 year deal, which would make him a RFA, and if he plays well, lock him up long term.

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