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12-11-2013, 01:06 AM
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What Does Vancouver Need?

As a fan of the team, just wondering what other fans think this teams ultimate need is? I see lots of, playmakers for Kesler, Snipers for the top 6, right winger for the Sedins, etc.

Just wondering what people think the top priority is? Beside trading with the leafs of course

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12-11-2013, 01:13 AM
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Yea i sort of did this for every team. Here what i got for Vancouver.

Vancouver
Biggest need: 1st Line Winger.
Assets willing to give up: Edler, Tanev, prospects, and picks
Secondary need:

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12-11-2013, 01:14 AM
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top 6 sniper to bump everyone down a notch, then everything will work itself out

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Vanek - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Santorelli - Booth
Hansen - Richardson - Weise
Dalpe, Welsh

Edler - Tanev
Hamhuis - Garrison
Stanton - Bieksa
Alberts

Luongo
Lack

lineup is sick when healthy, we just have guys that need to play over their heads right now

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12-11-2013, 01:19 AM
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Just give us 1 more player that doesn't suck.

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12-11-2013, 01:21 AM
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I really believe we're best not making any prospect/pick trades. If we're going to make a deal for a top six winger, it's going to be a straight up hockey deal imo.

I really believe that Kassian WILL work his way up to the first line. He seemed so happy after he played last game. He actually felt like he played good imo. Needs more time in the video room, but I think that him/Burrows can fit up there fine enough. An elite second line winger is what we need I guess.

The problem is that we want to deal in a quantity for quality idea, and that's where other teams will back off. I see the team like this:

Daniel - Henrik - Burrows/Kassian/Santorelli/Kesler
Higgins/top six winger - Kesler - Burrows/Santorelli/top six winger
Higgins/Booth - Santorelli/Schroeder - Hansen/Kassian
Weise - Richardson - Sestito

Kinda confusing, but it is what it is. Like I was saying, we have a quantity of OK second liners, and great 3rd liners. That's what I wouldn't mind doing. Trading two of Burrows/Santorelli/Schroeder/Hansen/Higgins/Booth for one player. (don't kill me for putting santo)

On the other hand, in terms of the defensive makeup, I'm HAPPY with what we have. If I got a good offer for Tanev, I'd move him. I'm not opposed to it like other Canucks fans are. He's got good trade value imo. He'll be anywhere between a #2 support guy or he regresses to a #5 guy.

The thing with trading Edler is that we're going to get lowballed for him. He's a fantastic #3 dman. That's where he was having success in prior seasons - playing sheltered minutes.

I guess I ranted, but I think it should be a 2 for 1 deal, or a tanev for second line guy deal. If we deal Tanev, we could look something like:

Daniel - Henrik - Kassian
(top six) - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Santorelli - Hansen
Booth - Schroeder - Richardson

I'll take that...

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12-11-2013, 01:29 AM
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Top 6 wingers and a PP QB

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12-11-2013, 01:30 AM
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Edler for Spezza and a pick for Ehrhoff would be nice

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12-11-2013, 01:33 AM
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I'd really like a player like Moulson, Ribeiro or Hemsky. All of those would slot in so nicely on our second line and be money with the Sedin's on the PP.

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12-11-2013, 01:45 AM
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I'd really like a player like Moulson, Ribeiro or Hemsky. All of those would slot in so nicely on our second line and be money with the Sedin's on the PP.
Sabres are probably gonna ask for way too much for Moulson and Ribeiro just signed long term in Phoenix.

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12-11-2013, 03:13 AM
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They need a legitimate creator of offense.

I don't think they can afford the high-end guys (Vanek, Spezza types) without gutting what they have or their future.

That leaves the other guys. Moulson, Cammalleri, Hemsky, Fleischman, Erat...

Of the 2nd tier types, I think Hemsky is a fantastic fit and would have an excellent shot at upping his numerical productivity given a complimentary lineup of great two-way hustle players. I think he's an ideal target as long as he doesn't cost a 1st. He'd be a valuable right handed addition to the power-play where Vancouver is really underperforming. A line of Higgins-Kesler-Hemsky would do well IMO.

I think the main issue is needing a legitimate player that will push Santorelli to 3C, thereby establishing that line, and bumping Richardson to the 4th line + PK role that suits him. On the other hand Santorelli is looking better and better as a second liner. Higgins-Kesler-Santorelli is performing extremely well currently. If that keeps up, simply adding a quality 3C would do it for this year as the youth can hopefully step up next year (I think Goc is going to draw a bidding war though...).

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Yea i sort of did this for every team. Here what i got for Vancouver.

Vancouver
Biggest need: 1st Line Winger.
Assets willing to give up: Edler, Tanev, prospects, and picks
Secondary need:
Basically this, our defense and goaltending are well above average, we just need help scoring goals.

Adding a top line player would help our entire lineup, as the trickle down effect would give us more depth on the rest of our lines

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12-11-2013, 04:19 AM
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BUT on topic. Yes, a top 6 scorer. Vanek/Moulson, maybe some more 4th line depth.


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Basically, a 1st line calibre player who can legitimately 'carry' our 2nd line. A creative player who generates offense and elevates the play of hard working grinder types around them. Preferably a center.

or

A bonafide 'offensive defenceman'. The catalyst from the back end, like Ehrhoff who has been missed for that reason, and obviously for his ability to QB a PP. Something in that vein.

Both would be really nice.

What we absolutely don't need, is more complementary 'middle-six' type players, especially wingers. Nor do we need any more 'defensive defencemen'.

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12-11-2013, 07:14 AM
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Maybe Vancouver is one of the "half the teams in the league" that would trade their roster for Edmonton's

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12-11-2013, 12:10 PM
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Stephen Weiss

It's a gamble. But he'd be cheap.

What would Detroit have to add to turn Weiss into elder??

Their salaries are even.

A 1st?? Weiss has been horrible. But he was a valuable asset 20 some games ago.


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More cowbell.

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Basically, a 1st line calibre player who can legitimately 'carry' our 2nd line. A creative player who generates offense and elevates the play of hard working grinder types around them. Preferably a center.

or

A bonafide 'offensive defenceman'. The catalyst from the back end, like Ehrhoff who has been missed for that reason, and obviously for his ability to QB a PP. Something in that vein.

Both would be really nice.

What we absolutely don't need, is more complementary 'middle-six' type players, especially wingers. Nor do we need any more 'defensive defencemen'.
Mike Green says hello.

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Jordan Eberle.

Work out a deal where the meat is Eberle for Edler, let the fan bases figure out draft picks/ prospects to add on either side.

I have a feeling both fan bases will hate the idea though...

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12-11-2013, 12:31 PM
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2 second line wingers

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12-11-2013, 12:38 PM
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Jordan Eberle.

Work out a deal where the meat is Eberle for Edler, let the fan bases figure out draft picks/ prospects to add on either side.

I have a feeling both fan bases will hate the idea though...
Would rather add to Edler to get Yakupov...who actually backchecks.

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Just going to state that anyone who mentions Santorelli in a trade is nuts at the present. He along with Kesler, Higgins, Hamhuis and Tanev seem to be our only consistent players.

Unless it's a massive overpayment he needs to stay as he is currently playing with a ton of heart and making our entire team better. Plus, Torts has a love affair with him.

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12-11-2013, 02:11 PM
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Stephen Weiss

It's a gamble. But he'd be cheap.

What would Detroit have to add to turn Weiss into elder??

Their salaries are even.

A 1st?? Weiss has been horrible. But he was a valuable asset 20 some games ago.
A lot, the price at the draft for Edler from Detroit was Tatar, Nyquist a 1st and a prospect

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I think we need a top 6 sniper. Moulson is a interest for me.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Moulson-Kesler-Santorelli
Higgins-Richardson-Hansen
Welsh-Dalpe-Kassian

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Maybe Vancouver is one of the "half the teams in the league" that would trade their roster for Edmonton's
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2 second line wingers
David Perron and Ales Hemsky on Ryan Kesler's wings turns the Canucks into an unstoppable death machine.

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What the Canucks need is contingent on
  1. whether or not Zack Kassian can elevate his game and permanently cement himself on the top line with the Sedins
  2. whether or not Mike Santorelli can continue his pace now and into the future

Assuming the answer in both situations is "yes," the Canucks' lineup - or at least, its depth chart, assuming all to be healthy - should look something like this:

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Daniel / Henrik / Kassian
Burrows / Kesler / ####
Higgins / Santorelli / Hansen
Schroeder / Richardson / Weise

Garrison / Edler
Hamhuis / Bieksa
Tanev / Stanton
(Corrado)

Luongo
Vancouver's need is a second-line winger, preferably with a capable two-way game to complement that of Burrows and Kesler. Ideally, this 2W is a capable centre as well.

#1 on my wishlist is Paul Stastny. #2 is Ales Hemsky.

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A depth move - acquiring a 3C in the mold of a Goc, Matthias, Ott, Nielsen, etcetera - would help push the Canucks over the top, but isn't imperative.

The Canucks' bottom six would look like this:

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Higgins / <<SHUTDOWN 3C>> / Hansen
Santorelli / Richardson / Weise
And that's the bottom six forward complement of an "unstoppable death machine"-level team.

Some may find it insulting to see Santorelli on the fourth line, but in 2010-11, the Canucks had two third-line LWs in their bottom six and it was an area of strength, on paper:

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Daniel Sedin
Mikael Samuelsson
Chris Higgins
Raffi Torres
Not insulting at all. It's not as though lines won't be shuffled anyways.


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David Perron and Ales Hemsky on Ryan Kesler's wings turns the Canucks into an unstoppable death machine.
Kevin Lowe actually said, word for word, that half the GMs in the league would trade their roster for the Oilers roster. Like the entire roster. Top to bottom.

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