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04-27-2014, 10:54 PM
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Don't resign Timonen

Sign Dan Boyle for 3 years
I wouldn't hate this unless Kimmo wants to come back for like $2m or less. Not sure I'd want Boyle for 3 years but I doubt he'd take less though.

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I wouldn't mind this if Timonen doesn't come back, probably would be one of the better values than some of the other names out there.
Yeah I think he'll sneak under the radar. I assume he's got a good relationship with Tyutin in CBJ, but he's getting pushed out by all the young talent there.

It won't hurt to have a big-bodied depth PMD, I hope.

Boyle - Coburn
Nikitin - Schenn
MacDonald - Streit

I'd say Gus as #7 but he's an RFA this year. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets released or walks to a team that'll play him.

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I think we could see Alt and Ghost getting called up regularly, even if they don't stick around all season.
Thing about Ghost is that he's never played anything near an 82 game season, not even close.

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I seriously do hope Alt gets a shot. If he does, who needs Nikitin? Yes... I just realized I posted something a bit ago...

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04-27-2014, 11:19 PM
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Yeah I think he'll sneak under the radar. I assume he's got a good relationship with Tyutin in CBJ, but he's getting pushed out by all the young talent there.

It won't hurt to have a big-bodied depth PMD, I hope.

Boyle - Coburn
Nikitin - Schenn
MacDonald - Streit

I'd say Gus as #7 but he's an RFA this year. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets released or walks to a team that'll play him.
Not bad, I would pass on Boyle though. I wouldn't want to commit to another pricey/lengthy +35 year old contract. I would just leave an open spot for one of young guys to win.

As for Gus, I'm 99% sure he won't be back next year.

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04-28-2014, 12:39 AM
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I've seen Sharks fans say some not so good things about Boyle recently. Think I'd pass on that one. I think he and Streit are similar anyway.

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04-28-2014, 05:22 AM
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Trade Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn and a 2nd to Winnipeg for Evander Kane


Sign Matt Niskanen

Sign Benoit Pouliot

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Defense is a great deal more mobile, and that's 4 lines that can score.
Salary cap?

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04-28-2014, 07:56 AM
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Salary cap?
He turned it off for this franchise mode, no worries.

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04-28-2014, 08:24 AM
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He turned it off for this franchise mode, no worries.
Well that's just like... A suggested guideline right?

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04-28-2014, 09:12 AM
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We were linked to Trevor Daley before I believe at the deadline. Wouldn't mind trying to get him again

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Trade Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn and a 2nd to Winnipeg for Evander Kane


Sign Matt Niskanen

Sign Benoit Pouliot

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Mason
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Defense is a great deal more mobile, and that's 4 lines that can score.
If grossmann and/or Lecavalier are playing big roles on the team next year we might as well not even watch because it is just going to be the same crap we dealt with this year.

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04-28-2014, 06:55 PM
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I rather have Steit over Daley.
I agree but it may just be conflicting with Timonen, Streit, and Ghost. But I really like Daley's speed. He could be a guy that could defend/keep up with Nash, Crosby, etc. I think the NHL is changing into a style where more mobile Defenses do better. I think if we bring in Daley then Ghost can fill in for Streit's role. Its just that Streit is old, expensive, and fairly slow. With this we are getting cheaper, younger, and faster. But I wouldnt mind keeping Streit and not getting Daley.

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I agree but it may just be conflicting with Timonen, Streit, and Ghost. But I really like Daley's speed. He could be a guy that could defend/keep up with Nash, Crosby, etc. I think the NHL is changing into a style where more mobile Defenses do better. I think if we bring in Daley then Ghost can fill in for Streit's role. Its just that Streit is old, expensive, and fairly slow. With this we are getting cheaper, younger, and faster. But I wouldnt mind keeping Streit and not getting Daley.
Streit is a better player than Daley & it's not even close regardless of all that. He would have went over the 50 point mark this year if the coaches used him properly. He played on the terrible second unit & had to drag Grossmann's *** around at ES but despite that notched 44 points. Streit was a success in year 1 & despite his age he doesn't nearly have the wear & tear on him like a player his age normally would have.

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04-28-2014, 09:57 PM
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Trade Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn and a 2nd to Winnipeg for Evander Kane
Posted this proposal in the Trade Rumors forum. Not going over too well with Jets fans.

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04-28-2014, 10:39 PM
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Threw this together. I feel like it may be reasonable. There's no knowing that one of the kids will be ready to fill any void on defense, so I added Boyle for 2-3 years. Nikitin is 2-4. Montoya is 1-3 years. Grossmann traded to Edmonton or Siberia for anything.

I'd LOVE for us to go after Callahan, but I'm not sure which one of Callahan, Simmonds, Read, or Voracek could make a seemless transition to LW. So I left that pipedream off.

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FORWARDS
Brayden Schenn ($3.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jason Akeson ($1.000m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
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Dan Boyle ($5.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Nikita Nikitin ($3.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
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Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
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Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
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Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,594,167; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $505,833

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04-29-2014, 06:36 AM
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Threw this together. I feel like it may be reasonable. There's no knowing that one of the kids will be ready to fill any void on defense, so I added Boyle for 2-3 years. Nikitin is 2-4. Montoya is 1-3 years. Grossmann traded to Edmonton or Siberia for anything.

I'd LOVE for us to go after Callahan, but I'm not sure which one of Callahan, Simmonds, Read, or Voracek could make a seemless transition to LW. So I left that pipedream off.

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Brayden Schenn ($3.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jason Akeson ($1.000m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
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Dan Boyle ($5.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Nikita Nikitin ($3.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
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Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
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Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,594,167; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $505,833
Dan Boyle has been a shell of his former self lately. Shark fans will tell you they don't really want him back. I don't want to give another 2-3 year deal out to a player who is already over the age of 37. We always see people complaining about 35+ contracts(not you just in general) and people want to bring Boyle on board till he is 40? It doesn't make much sense.

Callahan I would love but he is going to get a boat load of cash and term. I would not be happy going 6.5 million for 7 years with him. Other people are extremely concerned with the way he plays and how long he will hold up. If he could be had for a 5 year deal around 6.5 it might be a little different. That is top line pay though for a guy who has injury problems and doesn't produce like a top line player.

A second line of Read-Couts-Callahan would be oh so sweet though.

I am indifferent to Nitikin, I actually would hope Ghost can make the team out of training camp and take that #6 spot instead of us having to over pay another bottom pairing defender.

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04-29-2014, 07:00 AM
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Threw this together. I feel like it may be reasonable. There's no knowing that one of the kids will be ready to fill any void on defense, so I added Boyle for 2-3 years. Nikitin is 2-4. Montoya is 1-3 years. Grossmann traded to Edmonton or Siberia for anything.

I'd LOVE for us to go after Callahan, but I'm not sure which one of Callahan, Simmonds, Read, or Voracek could make a seemless transition to LW. So I left that pipedream off.

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FORWARDS
Brayden Schenn ($3.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jason Akeson ($1.000m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
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Dan Boyle ($5.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Nikita Nikitin ($3.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,594,167; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $505,833
I like this, but there's no way Nikitin is only carrying a 3 million dollar cap hit on his next contract. He'll be close to MacDonald's cap hit.

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04-29-2014, 07:13 AM
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I am not in favor of signing Dan Boyle, unless it's for a one-year deal, and Dan Boyle will not accept a one-year deal.

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This team is not even close to winning a cup. Get them kids playing time and invest into the future. Dan Boyle for a year does not help them...

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Ideally we would trade Vinny for a pick and then sign a real left winger, but trading him for Lupul would get us under a $70m cap without having to even trade Grossmann. And then we could put Pronger on LTIR, recall Laughton, and sign a cheap FA defenseman (NOT Gill).

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Matt Read ($3.625m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Jason Akeson ($0.715m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Adam Hall ($0.600m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
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Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Mark Alt ($0.782m)
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Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.850m)
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Do not want Lupul. Been there done that. Has too many serious injuries as well.

If the Flyers do lose tonight, I can not wait to start hearing about the rumors and this team. Schenn will be mentioned a ton I bet and the Vinny ordeal will be addressed either by media or even Homer/Hextall themselves. We need to move salary out and Grossmann and Vinny are the two prime candidates.

This playoff series shows the Flyers need more speed. They have guys like Simmonds and Voracek who can skate well and forecheck, but then have guys like Hartnell and Vinny who don't quite has great speed. I am in favor of revamping this team with speed on the wings. We need it. Speed on the back end as well. I don't mind Luke Schenn, you need a crease clearer and someone who will fight and stand up for your mates out there.

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I want a blockbuster with Edmonton to happen. Hartnell+Coburn going there way for Eberle++. Would give the Flyers much needed skill and speed and he can play wing with Giroux. We just need to find a replacement for Coburn, which is much easier said then done.

My biggest pet peeve with Coburn is he still makes stupid plays that junior or even midget players make and correct. Forcing plays that just don't need to be forced or even horrible passes that should not even be done. He is a great #3 defender but that's what he is and will be. Flyers were listening last year at the draft and I think Edmonton comes back calling again this year. MacT doesn't want anymore 18 year olds on that team, they have enough youth. They also need a banger.


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This team is not even close to winning a cup. Get them kids playing time and invest into the future. Dan Boyle for a year does not help them...
If they got Dan Boyle for a year I wouldn't hate it. That would give Gostisbehere and Hagg time to develop in the AHL and Morin time to develop in the Q. I would prefer if Alt was brought up to see if he can hang or if Gustafsson was given a proper shot at a spot. Boyle does give them a better shot at contending for the Cup, but I do agree with you that this team is not close to being in that position. I also think this organization needs to approach developing defensemen differently. Signing players like Boyle or Streit does not give me hope in that regard, although Streit has done well this year.

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Do not want Lupul. Been there done that. Has too many serious injuries as well.

If the Flyers do lose tonight, I can not wait to start hearing about the rumors and this team. Schenn will be mentioned a ton I bet and the Vinny ordeal will be addressed either by media or even Homer/Hextall themselves. We need to move salary out and Grossmann and Vinny are the two prime candidates.

This playoff series shows the Flyers need more speed. They have guys like Simmonds and Voracek who can skate well and forecheck, but then have guys like Hartnell and Vinny who don't quite has great speed. I am in favor of revamping this team with speed on the wings. We need it. Speed on the back end as well. I don't mind Luke Schenn, you need a crease clearer and someone who will fight and stand up for your mates out there.

xxxx-Giroux-Voracek
xxxx-Couts-Read
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I want a blockbuster with Edmonton to happen. Hartnell+Coburn going there way for Eberle++. Would give the Flyers much needed skill and speed and he can play wing with Giroux. We just need to find a replacement for Coburn, which is much easier said then done.

My biggest pet peeve with Coburn is he still makes stupid plays that junior or even midget players make and correct. Forcing plays that just don't need to be forced or even horrible passes that should not even be done. He is a great #3 defender but that's what he is and will be. Flyers were listening last year at the draft and I think Edmonton comes back calling again this year. MacT doesn't want anymore 18 year olds on that team, they have enough youth. They also need a banger.
Vinny was admittedly playing hurt for a good portion of this year, right?
Not saying this solves the predicament this team is in, rather, I can't see Holmer and Co. getting rid of him 1 year into his contract. Thus, essentially admitting defeat on the signing. Besides he has a NTC, correct?

Also, I feel as though Coburn was our best defender for a large portion of the season. I highly doubt he is traded, along with our best left winger, to solve our left wing depth issue.

I do completely agree we need more speed and the LW is the most fitting position since it is a hole we currently have...and I cannot offer a better solution aside from develop, develop, develop. Although, I think I would be more willing to part with the Schenn Bros + picks for the right piece. We have plenty of centers as is and Laughton is about to make the jump. So eff moving a LW for a LW...and Luke is surplus at this point for his skill set.

I completely agree about moving Grossman. If nothing else, get him off our blueline.

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Vinny was admittedly playing hurt for a good portion of this year, right?
Not saying this solves the predicament this team is in, rather, I can't see Holmer and Co. getting rid of him 1 year into his contract. Thus, essentially admitting defeat on the signing. Besides he has a NTC, correct?

Also, I feel as though Coburn was our best defender for a large portion of the season. I highly doubt he is traded, along with our best left winger, to solve our left wing depth issue.

I do completely agree we need more speed and the LW is the most fitting position since it is a hole we currently have...and I cannot offer a better solution aside from develop, develop, develop. Although, I think I would be more willing to part with the Schenn Bros + picks for the right piece. We have plenty of centers as is and Laughton is about to make the jump. So eff moving a LW for a LW...and Luke is surplus at this point for his skill set.

I completely agree about moving Grossman. If nothing else, get him off our blueline.
What looked like a good signing at the time with Vinny has just not worked out. I am willing to bet Vinny isn't quite happy with his play time and his play as well here. He was brought in to be our 2nd line center and move Schenn to wing. It just hasn't worked out well. Schenn is much better at center as well as Vinny. He has been playing hurt but we just have a log jam of centers now. Giroux, Couts, Schenn, Vinny, Laughton is ready as well. There has to be something that gives. I hope Vinny understands this marriage wasn't the right fit and wouldn't mind the move. It opens more cap space up for the Flyers to get speed.

I understand that Hartnell is our best left winger but Eberle can play there as well and he is much younger+ much better skill. It doesn't solve our depth problem but we get better at the position.

Coburn has been our best defenseman but it still doesn't stop the fact the Flyers were all ears last year when Edmonton came calling about him. Dreger even said deals in season are tougher to make because we just can't replace a guy like that during the season. If Coburn is traded, which I do think is a possibility this off season, I expect some big moves by Homer/Hextall. I do not trade Coburn if there isn't something else lined up though. You really can't. I am just throwing out hypothetical situations here but those two players really fit a need for Edmonton.

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04-29-2014, 12:42 PM
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IMO there are no moves out there that will make the Flyers cup contenders next year and in all probably the year after either. The defense needs to be rebuilt from within since great defensemen are at a premium and very hard to come by. The Flyers have some nice prospects but they will need a season or two at the NHL to become proficient. They also need more speed up front. That is a lot to obtain quickly with a shallow prospect pool and very little cap space. So if they won't be able to compete for a cup for a couple of seasons, it won't really matter if they trade Coburn. If they can get a good return, it might even make sense with him being a UFA in two years.

The Flyers need to realize that there are no quick fixes to make them into an elite team. Any moves should be made with 3 seasons from now as the realistic date for a cup run.

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