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05-01-2014, 05:35 PM
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The problem is, that the #1 D we all want just simply isn't available. It's not like St. Louis is just sitting around looking to unload Pietrangelo for a couple of prospects. I think the closest thing to a top pairing guy available would be Christian Ehrhoff, and I don't think he would be the guy to revamp our whole D. He'd also cost a lot.

The only way you're getting a #1 D is if a team is looking to completely rebuild, or if they request a trade. And every team that has a #1 D is a legitimate contender, so again, they're not really looking to rebuild, and not many players would be requesting a trade to a lesser team.
I could see Shattenkirk being moved. He might not be a legit #1 but he becomes our best defenseman and they could still hold onto Morin/Ghost/Hagg. Nashville and Winnipeg also make for good trading partners. They have the depth to move a Weber/Josi/Bogosian/Enstrom and they'd all fit the bill.

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05-01-2014, 05:46 PM
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I could see Shattenkirk being moved. He might not be a legit #1 but he becomes our best defenseman and they could still hold onto Morin/Ghost/Hagg. Nashville and Winnipeg also make for good trading partners. They have the depth to move a Weber/Josi/Bogosian/Enstrom and they'd all fit the bill.
I think the only top pairing guy on that list is Weber - somebody I actually forgot about and would be an exception to what I was saying. Rumors are that Nashville wants to unload his contract, too, but who knows what the asking price is. Especially if he wins the Norris, although I'm betting it goes to Keith.

I know from watching St. Louis a bit this year, that Shattenkirk is on their 2nd pairing, and would probably be exposed pretty badly if he were to play here. Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester do the heavy lifting there, and free him up to play against lesser competition.

I honestly haven't watched Bogosion, Enstrom or Josi this year, so I can't really comment about their play.

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What rumors? Nashville have said unequivocally that they won't trade him.

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I don't know where they came from, but I've heard it talked about a lot. I don't normally put a lot of stock into that sort of thing, and it seems unlikely. But if they were truly looking to rebuild they'd have to think about shopping him.

I doubt they do it though, especially considering they were missing Rinne for the majority of the season.

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05-01-2014, 05:59 PM
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I could see Shattenkirk being moved. He might not be a legit #1 but he becomes our best defenseman and they could still hold onto Morin/Ghost/Hagg. Nashville and Winnipeg also make for good trading partners. They have the depth to move a Weber/Josi/Bogosian/Enstrom and they'd all fit the bill.
I don't know about that for the role they play Streit basically matched his production despite not getting the better offensive opportunities that Shattenkirk got in St. Louis. I would also say Streit's better in his own zone than Shattenkirk as well.

Shattenkirk's younger & on a better contract but as of right now when comparing their play I have a hard time giving Shattenkirk the edge.

Shattenkirk is a good young offensive defensemen but that's basically all he gives you so with Streit & Gostisbehere in the fold I would probably just pass on him considering what it would cost to acquire him. We don't have the Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester, or Jackman to cover up his deficiencies & allow him to be a rover meaning he won't be nearly effective here.


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05-01-2014, 06:22 PM
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I don't know about that for the role they play Streit basically matched his production despite not getting the better offensive opportunities that Shattenkirk got in St. Louis. I would also say Streit's better in his own zone than Shattenkirk as well.

Shattenkirk's younger & on a better contract but as of right now when comparing their play I have a hard time giving Shattenkirk the edge.

Shattenkirk is a good young offensive defensemen but that's basically all he gives you so with Streit & Gostisbehere in the fold I would probably just pass on him considering what it would cost to acquire him. We don't have the Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester, or Jackman to cover up his deficiencies & allow him to be a rover meaning he won't be nearly effective here.
I agree 100 percent. Shattenkirk for his role is great, but how many teams have a bouwmester and pietrangelo as their top pairing?

I've never understood why some flyer fans are obsessed with shattenkirk, he is a worst version of streit and not what we need.

I much rather try to acquire a similar guy in Michael Del Zotto who is cheaper and probably going to be had for not too much.

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05-01-2014, 06:31 PM
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Trade Coburn, run with a crappy D, draft McDavid, he peaks at same time as Morin, Ghost, Hagg, years of cups, fan base is happy for once and we all live happily ever after.
McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Kylington....we can't lose!

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05-01-2014, 06:35 PM
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McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Kylington....we can't lose!
Barzal and Konecny as well!

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I much rather try to acquire a similar guy in Michael Del Zotto who is cheaper and probably going to be had for not too much.
I'm not really crazy about him but he could be a potential buy-low candidate. If the price is right it could be worth the risk depending on if he gains some consistency.

I still don't understand that move from Nashville's perspective.

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I'm not really crazy about him but he could be a potential buy-low candidate. If the price is right it could be worth the risk depending on if he gains some consistency.

I still don't understand that move from Nashville's perspective.

MDZ has all the tools and has shown he can put them together. He has had some very good scoring seasons already in his young career. He has many thing that our d core could use.

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05-01-2014, 07:35 PM
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FORWARDS
Kane($5.250M) Giroux ($8.275m) Voracek ($4.250m)
Eberle($6.00M) Statsny($7.00M) Simmer (3.975m)
Akeson($0.900M) Couts(1.750M) Read ($3.620M)
Raffl(1.100M) Laughton(0.863M) Hall($0.750M)
($43,733M)

DEFENSEMAN
Coburn ($4.500M) Ghost($0.900M)
Bogo($5.143M) Mac ($5.00M)
str8($5.250M) Gus ($1.500M)
($17.293M)

GOALTENDERS
Mason ($4.100M)
Montoya ($0.601M)
($4.701M)

Pronger ($4.941M)

SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: 70,668,000; CAP SPACE: $432,668
($5.342M With Pronger on LTIR)

In tight games switch Akeson, with Laughton or Raffl for the "shutdown" line

Sign Paul Statsny

Trade
Grossman for 2nd/3rd
Vinny for a 3rd/4th/5th anything.
Hartnell, B.Schenn L. Schenn 2nd to EDM for Eberle, their 1st

Trade Edm 1st/ our 1st for E Kane, Bogo


Offense is set, More mobile defense with better puck possession players. Better team speed.
Morin, Hagg, Alt still in the wings on cheap contracts, could be worth the risk
Players that can be used as trade bait to upgrade D at the deadline IF NEED BE (picks, laughton, Akeson,)
We're in WIN NOW mode, Giroux, Vora, and our core are in their prime. We're not far off, with legitimate snipers and a faster overall team we're contenders. Go for it all and focus on garnering prospects again in 2 years
Bobby Ryan Signs in 2015


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05-01-2014, 07:41 PM
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I would rather trade for Ryan than Kane. Kane's attitude will most likely have him run out of town in no time. And Ryan would cost less to obtain

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05-01-2014, 07:44 PM
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I would rather trade for Ryan than Kane. Kane's attitude will most likely have him run out of town in no time. And Ryan would likely cost less to obtain
Could use a change of scenery.. Kanes speed is the difference and it's hard to deny he has the "Flyers attitude" imo and Ryan will be a FA in a year. If we want him bad enough we would have ammo to trade someone to make room for him (ebs)

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Will stastny really get 7 million per? I thought he might get less than his current cap hit

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Yeah I don't see other those deals being accepted by Edmonton nor Winnipeg but just to play along why in the hell would you sign Ryan to play on the third line?

No offense but just because it works in the NHL video games doesn't mean it works in real life.

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Will stastny really get 7 million per? I thought he might get less than his current cap hit
He's not getting less at least not on the open market, he just had a 60 point season plus a good playoff. He's a center who plays all situations, someone will give him $7M if not more if he wants it.

Toronto needs a center badly to play with Kessel & Nonis is pretty irresponsible with contracts so that what would be my bet if there was a team to give him that type of contract.


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05-01-2014, 08:45 PM
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This is the best way I see 2014-15 Flyers:

Schenn, Schenn, Lecavalier, 3rd 2014, 1st 2015 for Kesler an Edler

Grossman for a 3rd or 4th

Sign Penner, Nikitin and 2nd goalie

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Jason Akeson ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Dustin Penner ($2.250m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
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Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Nikita Nikitin ($4.750m) / Shayne Gostisbehere ($0.925m)
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Steve Mason ($4.100m)
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Kesler and Simmonds...wow...and a good second pp line C.

Then 2015-16 sign Ryan an its a really good plan!!!!

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Trade: everyone + 2nd for better players. Win.

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Yeah I don't see other those deals being accepted by Edmonton nor Winnipeg but just to play along why in the hell would you sign Ryan to play on the third line?

No offense but just because it works in the NHL video games doesn't mean it works in real life.
You wouldn't sign Ryan unless you would ship out someone like ebs in my scenario, which would net you something pretty good as well.
Jets and Kane have a bad relationship, much like the Eagles and DeSean. Teams know this.
Edm desperately need grit and a 2c.

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Trade: everyone + 2nd for better players. Win.
lol. glad you went back to your old avatar.

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This is thE best way I see the flyers
I think that d is too soft, Pitt is expected to push hard for kessler

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You wouldn't sign Ryan unless you would ship out someone like ebs in my scenario, which would net you something pretty good as well.
Jets and Kane have a bad relationship, much like the Eagles and DeSean. Teams know this.
Edm desperately need grit and a 2c.
Yeah it just doesn't work like that, you don't just keep flipping pieces & expect to contend. You have to account for chemistry & not only that but you would have a tough time attracting players to your franchise with a revolving door like that.

I get that but you're not getting those players for what you offered. If you want Eberle & their 1st rounder you're going to have to at least part with Coburn, B. Schenn, & our 1st rounder. So there goes all your trade assets to acquire Kane & Bogosian which wouldn't be a good idea trying to trade for both because it would jack up the price from Winnipeg's end & no not just Edmonton's pick would land both.

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lol. glad you went back to your old avatar.
I found an even better photo. Playoffs + Grossmann had to go.

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FORWARDS
Kane($5.250M) Giroux ($8.275m) Voracek ($4.250m)
Eberle($6.00M) Statsny($7.00M) Simmer (3.975m)
Akeson($0.900M) Couts(1.750M) Read ($3.620M)
Raffl(1.100M) Laughton(0.863M) Hall($0.750M)
($43,733M)

DEFENSEMAN
Coburn ($4.500M) Ghost($0.900M)
Bogo($5.143M) Mac ($5.00M)
str8($5.250M) Gus ($1.500M)
($17.293M)

GOALTENDERS
Mason ($4.100M)
Montoya ($0.601M)
($4.701M)

Pronger ($4.941M)

SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: 70,668,000; CAP SPACE: $432,668
($5.342M With Pronger on LTIR)

In tight games switch Akeson, with Laughton or Raffl for the "shutdown" line

Sign Paul Statsny

Trade
Grossman for 2nd/3rd
Vinny for a 3rd/4th/5th anything.
Hartnell, B.Schenn L. Schenn 2nd to EDM for Eberle, their 1st

Trade Edm 1st/ our 1st for E Kane, Bogo


Offense is set, More mobile defense with better puck possession players. Better team speed.
Morin, Hagg, Alt still in the wings on cheap contracts, could be worth the risk
Players that can be used as trade bait to upgrade D at the deadline IF NEED BE (picks, laughton, Akeson,)
We're in WIN NOW mode, Giroux, Vora, and our core are in their prime. We're not far off, with legitimate snipers and a faster overall team we're contenders. Go for it all and focus on garnering prospects again in 2 years
Bobby Ryan Signs in 2015
you literally made a line-up that has no chance of ever happening. Stop playing NHL14

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Yeah it just doesn't work like that, you don't just keep flipping pieces & expect to contend. You have to account for chemistry & not only that but you would have a tough time attracting players to your franchise with a revolving door like that.

I get that but you're not getting those players for what you offered. If you want Eberle & their 1st rounder you're going to have to at least part with Coburn, B. Schenn, & our 1st rounder. So there goes all your trade assets to acquire Kane & Bogosian which wouldn't be a good idea trying to trade for both because it would jack up the price from Winnipeg's end & no not just Edmonton's pick would land both.
Simple, don't sign Ryan then. But if ebs hypothetically played "soft" that would set a good example.
Beggers can't be choosers, the Oilers are under the knife when it comes to management and their current team.
They need a 2c, and gritty players with attitude. They can't keep stockpiling top picks and pray for things to change. Fans are becoming restless and can hardly bare to watch a soft team with no attitude.
I think the Jets and Kanes relationship is beyond no return, which devalues any offer that would recieve.
Flyers have been in on Kane for awhile and have been talking with the Oilers, when there's smoke, there's fire

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