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07-29-2005, 06:57 AM
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Canes free agency situation

With names being bandied about who the Canes may sign (actually, not as bad as the other forums usually are) I wanted to remind everyone we have to get our RFA's signed:

Restricted Free Agents:
Jesse Boulerice - wouldn't be surprised if they go after a more veteran enforcer even though everyone likes the guy
Kevyn Adams - from reading another topic it sounds like he's about to sign a 3 year deal
Erik Cole
Matt Cullen - good year in Europe, might finally come out of his shell
Marty Murray - more than likely will become a UFA
Jeff O'Neill - i'm confused........has he been qualified?
Bruno St. Jacques
Ryan Bayda
Radim Vrbata - guess i'm still the only thinks we should toss this kid
Josef Vasicek
Justin Williams
Glen Wesley - Canes might not qualify him just to sign him to a cheaper deal

Unrestricted Free Agents:
Craig Adams - was under the impression he won't be brought back, but who knows
Damian Surma - won't be back from all indications

Not sure on the accuracy on this list, but we can't possibly have this many guys not offered qualifiers yet, can we? What's the deadline before they become UFA's? I was under the impression it was August 1st. These are the guys Rutherford said we are not going to buyout:

contracted players
Rod Brind'Amour - $3.8 mill - Everyone thinks Rod isn't worth it, I hope he proves them all wrong
Bret Hedican - $2.432 mill - still overpaid. Good defenseman.
Aaron Ward -$1.52mill - Guy played well under Laviolette before he got hurt.
Frantisek Kaberle - $1.292 mill - Decent puck mover.
Martin Gerber - $1.064 million - still not sold on him starting, Ward might push
Eric Staal - $942K - what can I say about this guy you don't already know?
Niclas Wallin - $836K - every club needs that dependable extra defenseman

This list was taken from TSN, but it had some inaccuracies. One such I just noticed is that Pavel Brendl is missing from this list altogether. Anyone know his status? So, this brings up another list:

status to update
Pavel Brendl
Cam Ward
Magnus Kahnberg
Draft Pick No. 3

And now, our realistic candidates who Rutherford may sign (this includes players we think will be bought out) that we discussed in another thread:

Andrei Zyuzin
Jason Allison
Adrian Aucoin
Gary Roberts
Andreas Johannson
Mike Rathje - very overrated

Thoughts? Inclusions? Oversights? Corrections (beside my usual spelling errors and fragments from lack of proofreading)?


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I had just a couple of thoughts:
1. Is there a realistic chance on signing Kahnberg?
2. If so, what about Nordgren?
3. I heard tht Hedican had major surgery and was contemplating retirement - what is his status?
4. Under the new agreement, can you decline a qualifying offer and still resign the player (i.e. Wesley)?
5. Do you really think JR would decline a qualifying offer and let O'Neill go for nothing?
6. Do you think JR will sign Ladd or Nastiuk?

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1. Is there a realistic chance on signing Kahnberg?
yes, though the question has to be wether he's ready for the North American game or not. If he is then we may not need to go out and sign a Miro Satan type player on the left wing.

2. If so, what about Nordgren?
I think he's probably more NHL ready then Kahnberg. From what I've heard he plays a more physical game that would be easier to convert to the North American style.

3. I heard tht Hedican had major surgery and was contemplating retirement - what is his status?
He's coming back from everything I've heard.

4. Under the new agreement, can you decline a qualifying offer and still resign the player (i.e. Wesley)?
Accually, Wesley is a UFA rather then an RFA. But as far as I know, you probably still can do that, you just can't release a player and then re-sign them for less.

5. Do you really think JR would decline a qualifying offer and let O'Neill go for nothing?
No I don't. I have a feeling that he's either going to be traded at the draft, or that he'll sign a one-year deal and go at the deadline.

6. Do you think JR will sign Ladd or Nastiuk?
Nastiuk is already signed. They'll probably decide on Ladd after the training camp, though I think he needs another year to re-proove his scoring touch in the Dub before he's NHL or even AHL ready.

I'd be outright surprised if Carolina can't add two of Zyuzin, Aucoin and Allison. Rathje might not be available, but Johansson should be if we give him decent money. I'd love to have Roberts back, it would light another spark in Jeff O'Neill's game if nothing else.

Edit: with the Commodore trade, I don't see us adding more then one more dman in free agency.


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Are you guys going to keep Justin Williams?

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absolutely he is a core young player we are building around

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Trades

D - Mike Commodore CAN (6,4, 230 lbs., 25 y/0) <- link to forum topic
D - Andrew Hutchinson USA (6'2, 198 lbs., 25 y/o) <- link to forum topic

Decent deals for extra 3rd rounders we had. Commodore was a fan favorite in Calgary, and Hutchinson is a decent d-man who will get some minutes. All but signals Wesley might not be re-signed at all. And with Commodore, Hutchinson, and St. Jacques our blue line does look a bit younger now. Didn't get the puck mover we wanted, but beggars can't be choosers. So, will we spend free agent duckets on a forward?

edit: I didn't realize Hutchinson had offensive upside, but Laviolette is going to have to work on his defensive game. Enough veterans in Carolina to show him the ropes.


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D - Derrick Walser (5'10", 196 lbs.,27 y/0) <---- link to forum topic

With the new 2-way waiver system when it comes to calling a player up & sending him back to the AHL (no emergency call ups anymore, player has to have exempt status period) this is a good trade for this sort of situation and for Lowell. I sincerely doubt the organization has changed it's mind on smallish d-men. I'm not buying the "offensive upside, power play specialist" crap: the guy is 27 years old and small. Sure we no one is going to take him if we send him back & forth to Lowell if we have any injury issues.

From TSN.ca
"Assets Has a wealth of offensive flair. Understands his role on the power play and displays good hockey sense.
Flaws Is undersized for the defense position in the NHL and lacks defensive acumen. Must get stronger if he wants to make it at the highest level.
Career potential Power-play specialist. "

5'10", 196lbs., spent his time over the lockout in the DEL where he scored 23 pts. in 50 games and had 143 minutes in penalty. Starting to warm up to the guy A fantastic AHL player who can help Lowell because he is too old to be panning out for the NHL even though he has scored in Columbus, but he has let some go bye, too LOL

Now we have many holes on our roster to fill. We are short a stud winger (and about 3 or 4 forwards), and if we lose Wesley we will have an inexperienced blue line. Should we still go after a big free agent signing of a defenseman? I think so. Adrian Aucoin would look nice amongst that, but I say we go after Alexei Zhitnik.

I see Craig Adams being brought back now. Don't know if Brendl will be. Still don't think we will go after any free agents. Looks like we are being thrifty...and I have no problem with that. Keep rebuilding, but hopefully it won't be so painful. Staal, Vasicek, Williams, Vrbata, and Cole.....3 of them should “bust out” so it might not be so bad. Don't know what to expect from Cullen, but I think he'll have a decent year. Still, we are sort 3 forwards....could probably use another enforcer in the lineup. I loved it when we had 2 guys in our lineup before...a line with Boulerice & Langdon was intimidating. We will need that to protect our young guys, and Boulerice isn't exactly sturdy when it comes to taking blows to the head.

forwards
Eric Staal
Josef Vasicek
Kevyn Adams
Marty Murray
Matt Cullen
Justin Williams
Jesse Boulerice
Rod Brind'Amour
Eric Cole
Radim Vrbata

defensmen
Brett Hedican
Aaron Ward
Bruno St. Jacques
Mike Commodore
Niclas Wallin
Andrew Hutchinson
Derrick Walser
Frantisek Kaberle

goalies
Martin Gerber
Cam Ward


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Allan Rourke is a group VI FA (unrestricted)
Weren't qualified:
Ryan Bayda
Daniel Boisclair
Sean Curry
Brad Fast
Jim Henkel
Ed Hill
Marty Murray
Jared Newman
Rob Zepp

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I'll post this from another thread:

August 10 Player-Elected Salary Arbitration Notification
August 11 Club-Elected Salary Arbitration Notification
August 12 NHL/NHLPA to Schedule Arbitration Cases
August 15 Qualifying Offers Expire Automatically
August 22 First Day of Salary Arbitration Hearings
September 1 Last Day for Salary Arbitration Hearings
September 2 Last Day for Issuance of Salary Arbitration Awards
September 4 Last Day for Second Buy-Out Period [Only for Clubs with Salary Arbitration Cases] (Latest Day for Clubs Receiving Salary Arbitration Awards on September 2 to Exercise Second Buy-Out Option)
December 1 Signing Deadline for Group 2 Free Agents


2 interesting points when I read this:

-there is still a chance Brind a'mour, Hedican, or Ward will be bought out. Makes me wonder if Hedican or Ward will get the boot because of their contracts, and with the addition of Stillman & Whitney you think we would be foolish enough to get rid of Rod. IMO I think Rutherford should just honor these contracts now, and I think he will.

-I think Vasicek might win his arbitration if he doesn't sign his qualifier. On that note, is his qualifying offers still based off numbers before the 24% rollback? If it is, I can see why no one has bothered signing their qualifiers yet from this club (that I know of). Might be a rash of signings before arbitration, though.

EDIT: Forget my first point, I think it means you can buy out a player if he wins arbitration and you don't agree with it. I'm still looking for clarification...

Edit2: This thread may have some more insight - An Update on Actual Spending to Date

This reminded me any team can walk away from an arbitration win by a player, so this must mean they can buyout any players? Doesn't sound good to an extent....seems like the NHLPA was shafted big time. Bettman won big.


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There was a rumor in one of the recent news articles(1-2 days ago),that the Canes and Bruins were the front runners for Hamrlik.

I don't see how the Bruins can make a strong offer.The Boston Globe has reported their front office didn't expect ufa salaries to be as high as they've been and they'll be scrambling to tie up Thorton and Samsonov.

I'd like to know if they've been any rumors from your beatwriters about the Canes and Hamrlik.

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before the Tverdovsky signing, Hamrlik and Aucoin were mentioned all the time. He still is mentioned every now and then, though I think most of the writers are convinced that he's out of our price range now. I still think we may make a move, though I'd imagine Hedican would be on his way out if we did.

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Wingers Williams & Vrbata re-signed

Both guys inked. Williams actually got a raise.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=133029

Still trying to find out if that blurp about Cassels is true.

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the cassels line is the only signing without a quote from JR, that should say something

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If you look under the eastern conference tracker on tsn it shows Andrew Cassels under the CAPS.

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i suggest we take a run at adam deadmarsh, he would be cheap since he has been injured in the past, alot like allison, if JR is still in a gambling mood

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I dont see why we don't go after Selanne. Yes he might be a bit priceie but no one is interested in him and I think the reason he didn't do well last year is because he wasn't "the star" like he is used to.

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Deadmarsh: He's probably done. Even read in another thread he is in Montana with his family. It really doesn't look like he will ever play again, and that's sad.

Selanne: Guy wasn't the same player from his Anaheim days at 2 stops now. It's obvious he just isn't the same player, and evidently he hasn't really adjusted to that well. This guy was the most awesome rookie in NHL history, it's wierd how he never even came close to duplicating that even though he was a great player for awhile after that. Has to be some sort of team sports record lol Have to wonder if tearing his Achilles so long ago has something to do with his decline Seem to catch too much flack for his rich-boy European off the ice lifestyle unfairly, also.

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Trade
D - Derrick Walser (5'10", 196 lbs.,27 y/0) <---- link to forum topic

With the new 2-way waiver system when it comes to calling a player up & sending him back to the AHL (no emergency call ups anymore, player has to have exempt status period) this is a good trade for this sort of situation and for Lowell. I sincerely doubt the organization has changed it's mind on smallish d-men. I'm not buying the "offensive upside, power play specialist" crap: the guy is 27 years old and small. Sure we no one is going to take him if we send him back & forth to Lowell if we have any injury issues.

From TSN.ca
"Assets Has a wealth of offensive flair. Understands his role on the power play and displays good hockey sense.
Flaws Is undersized for the defense position in the NHL and lacks defensive acumen. Must get stronger if he wants to make it at the highest level.
Career potential Power-play specialist. "

5'10", 196lbs., spent his time over the lockout in the DEL where he scored 23 pts. in 50 games and had 143 minutes in penalty. Starting to warm up to the guy A fantastic AHL player who can help Lowell because he is too old to be panning out for the NHL even though he has scored in Columbus, but he has let some go bye, too LOL

Now we have many holes on our roster to fill. We are short a stud winger (and about 3 or 4 forwards), and if we lose Wesley we will have an inexperienced blue line. Should we still go after a big free agent signing of a defenseman? I think so. Adrian Aucoin would look nice amongst that, but I say we go after Alexei Zhitnik.

I see Craig Adams being brought back now. Don't know if Brendl will be. Still don't think we will go after any free agents. Looks like we are being thrifty...and I have no problem with that. Keep rebuilding, but hopefully it won't be so painful. Staal, Vasicek, Williams, Vrbata, and Cole.....3 of them should “bust out” so it might not be so bad. Don't know what to expect from Cullen, but I think he'll have a decent year. Still, we are sort 3 forwards....could probably use another enforcer in the lineup. I loved it when we had 2 guys in our lineup before...a line with Boulerice & Langdon was intimidating. We will need that to protect our young guys, and Boulerice isn't exactly sturdy when it comes to taking blows to the head.

forwards
Eric Staal
Josef Vasicek
Kevyn Adams
Marty Murray
Matt Cullen
Justin Williams
Jesse Boulerice
Rod Brind'Amour
Eric Cole
Radim Vrbata

defensmen
Brett Hedican
Aaron Ward
Bruno St. Jacques
Mike Commodore
Niclas Wallin
Andrew Hutchinson
Derrick Walser
Frantisek Kaberle

goalies
Martin Gerber
Cam Ward
That's quite a few d-men the Canes have now. Do you think Wesley will resign?

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That's quite a few d-men the Canes have now. Do you think Wesley will resign?
Yeah, talk is heating up like it's a formality Now Rutherford is talking about trading a veteran, though. We are thinking he's talking about ither Ward or Hedican we assume. I hope he doesn't do that, I think we would have a better chance of succeeding if we leave the defense alone until training camp proves other wise.

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Wesley

It may be that we sign Wesley for Around $500,000 and he plays as the 7th D man still offering the experience to teach the new guys and provide help on D. He is a great guy and an influence and good example in the locker room and on the ice.

I hope he will come back.

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It may be that we sign Wesley for Around $500,000 and he plays as the 7th D man still offering the experience to teach the new guys and provide help on D. He is a great guy and an influence and good example in the locker room and on the ice.

I hope he will come back.
7th dman? I think Wesley will still be able to get it done, he plays better than Hedican and Ward combined IMO. He is technically sound and he doesn't turn the puck over.

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Vasicek might be going to arbitration with the team. I have yet to see anything about him signing his qualifier. He will undoubtedly win.

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Vasicek not eligible for arbitration

I read this today about Vasicek and Cole

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/h...-9147951c.html

The real work lies ahead, though, as Josef Vasicek and Erik Cole are among six restricted free agents still unsigned. Cole was not among 11 NHL players who filed for arbitration Wednesday, while Vasicek is still a year away from that right.

Cole, who would have made $1.5 million in 2004-05, chose not to file for arbitration. He has until Sunday to accept the offer of $1.1 million the Canes made to retain his rights, but is concerned about where he fits in the Hurricanes' new lineup.

"Obviously, my wife and I would prefer to stay in Raleigh," Cole, 26, said Wednesday. "We love the area, we love the fans and it's a great place to be and a great place to play. At the same time, you want to make sure the organization is headed in the right direction and you're going to be treated like they want you there."

As for Vasicek, general manager Jim Rutherford said the Hurricanes had offered the 24-year-old a two-year contract at slightly less than Cole's qualifying offer. Vasicek did not sign with Carolina last summer, turning down a two-year offer and, inadvertently, forfeiting a year of service that would have made him eligible for arbitration now.

"He doesn't have arbitration rights, so we don't have to do anything," Rutherford said. "What we try to do is match it up to what he would get over two years, and that's always a little bit of a debate as to where we think he is over two years and where they think he is over two years.

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i read that article too. it brings back the thought i had that cole is maybe not here for too long. im not sure where his issues lie, with management or coaching...im going to assume managment(its where mine always has been ). i dont think he wants to play for a team that has no desire to win long term, or maybe its just an act to get a better deal. who knows. all iknow is he one of my favorite players and i hope that it all gets worked out because no one has good trade value now - and i just dont trust jr with something like this anyway.

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Yeah, what Cole said is frightening. Furthermore, Vasicek is scaring me too.

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