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Where Does Zucc Rank among our best "Defensive Forwards" ?

View Poll Results: Where Does he Rank DEFENSIVELY Excluding Cally?
2-3 16 59.26%
3-5 7 25.93%
5-7 2 7.41%
Bottom of the pack 2 7.41%
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12-10-2013, 10:03 PM
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Where Does Zucc Rank among our best "Defensive Forwards" ?

<<<EXCLUDING CALLAHAN>>>

The guy was CRUSHED a couple years ago that he sucked defensively, now IMO he is one of the best forwards...where do you rank him?

IMO...easily between 2-3.

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12-10-2013, 10:06 PM
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The legend of zuccarello continues. ...

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Easily between 2-3 with only Stepan being better than him. Backchecks like a demon.

However it's easy to rank him there cause he's one of the only players on this team that gives a **** enough to defend.

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12-10-2013, 10:13 PM
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He's not good at it. But he tries. Which automatically puts him top 3.

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12-11-2013, 08:07 AM
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I have dug up some advanced stats on this. This will of course not produce purely defensive zone stats since puck possession is what is mostly measured. But if you count defense as the chance your opponent will get shots or scoring chances while you are on ice, Fenwick and Corsi is a great tool.

Fenwick includes all shots and shots that missed the net but not shots that were blocked.
Corsi includes all shots, shots that missed the net and shots that were blocked.
Both stats take into account the level of your linemates and the level of the opposing players you are on the ice with.

HARD are your defensive ratings (chance opponent will create chances)
HARO is offensive (chance you will create chances)


To get a better sample size I searched Zuccs entire tenure for those who played over 700 minutes total and for the past three seasons he is blowing the rest away by a mile and a half.

A score of 0 is considered the average player.

Fenwick
HARD: 1) Zucc 20.5 2) Stralman 13.8 3) Hagelin 9.8 4) Clowe 9.8 Worst. Pyatt -13.8, Nash -8.2
HARO: 1) Zucc 17.8 2) Clowe 12.8 3) Hagelin 10.6 4) Nash 9.6 (Impressive to have such a gap between defensive and offensive stats) Worst: Powe -16.6, John Moore -13.8
Zucc is #2 in the league in fenwick over past three years just behind Alexandre Picard and just in front of Justin Williams

Corsi (Not surprisingly very similar results)
HARD: 1) Zucc 13.8 2) Stralman 8.3 3) Asham 7.7 4) Clowe 3.9 Worst: Powe -14.6, Pyatt -11.7
HARO: 1) Zucc 16.6 2) Clowe 12.4 3) Hagelin 11.4 4) Nash 7.7 Bickel, Powe J. Moore are worst with -12 to -15

in shorthanded situations you know how the player is performing purely in the defensive zone. Zuccs sample size is very small here but he has been on the ice for 21 minutes in the NHL and the team has yet to concede a goal when he is on the ice in 4vs5.

plus/minus he is #2 on the team tied with Hagelin and behind Kreider both of who were in the AHL or on IR during a big stint of the early season massacres. Those are the only three players with a positive +/-


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12-11-2013, 08:08 AM
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Watching him trip Girardi and interfere with Hank on the first goal last night did not look like a big league play.

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Watching him trip Girardi and interfere with Hank on the first goal last night did not look like a big league play.
I agree - the third goal did not look too pretty, but I am not gonna fault a player for going after a loose puck in the crease. When he tripped up Girardi he ended up falling into Hank as well..

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12-11-2013, 09:57 AM
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He is getting quite good at using his stick.

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Are we talking a list of "best defensive forwards" or "best forwards defensively"?

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Are we talking a list of "best defensive forwards" or "best forwards defensively"?
I think we all read it as the latter, regardless of topic

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12-11-2013, 11:05 AM
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Zuccarello the 2nd NY Version at least, seems always to be third man back if he's not active in the forecheck? More often than whoever plays center. Not sure if this is a part of the sYStEm, but it appears that he is taking greater defensive responsabilties than what normally would be assigned to a winger. Think he has developed into a very smart defensively minded forward without loosing much of his offensive contribution. Don't think that was the case in Modo. Think all the stats mentioned above proves that.

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Hagelin and Stepan get the nod after Callly, so I tap Zucc after them.

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5th, behind Boyle, Moore, Stepan, and Dorsett. Would also be behind Callahan

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I have him behind Stepan, Cally, Boyle, Moore. Around the same level as Hagelin.

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