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12-12-2013, 03:57 PM
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I think I remember seeing RG3 on Gruden's QB Camp show talking Xs and Os and that show (along with some film) sold me on trading up to get him. He's clearly smart enough. He probably just hasn't had to worry about it or talk about it. Maybe that show is on youtube somewhere...

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12-12-2013, 04:12 PM
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If he comes out and drops 3 games of 300+, 6+TD's and 3 +/- picks, he's only getting us a 3rd?

That's my definition of lighting it up.

I'd hope we could get a 2nd and 4th/5th, something around there for him. Trying to be a killjoy and take away EVERY single reason to watch/hope? LOL...
If he comes out and torches Atlanta, the 26th ranked defense in the league, Dallas, the 32nd ranked defense in the league, and the New York Giants, the 21st ranked scoring defense in the league?

That's the scenario you think is going to propel a player that went in the 4th round, and now has half of his rookie contract gone, to a 2nd + 4th?

You think teams will look only at his 3 most recent games against such terrible defenses and completely ignore his prior three games, with QBRs of 7.3 agaisnt KC, 0.0 against Denver, and 1.7 against Seattle in last year's playoffs?

Kirk Cousins is not going to fetch more than a 3rd round pick, and even that's a stretch.

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If he comes out and torches Atlanta, the 26th ranked defense in the league, Dallas, the 32nd ranked defense in the league, and the New York Giants, the 21st ranked scoring defense in the league?

That's the scenario you think is going to propel a player that went in the 4th round, and now has half of his rookie contract gone, to a 2nd + 4th?

You think teams will look only at his 3 most recent games against such terrible defenses and completely ignore his prior three games, with QBRs of 7.3 agaisnt KC, 0.0 against Denver, and 1.7 against Seattle in last year's playoffs?

Kirk Cousins is not going to fetch more than a 3rd round pick, and even that's a stretch.
You seem to think teams scout players from an ESPN box score apparently. A few snaps at the end of blowouts with the defensive line pinning its ears back and no practice with the first team doesn't really show itself in box scores now does it. But because he played well against the SB champs and the next week against Cleveland, that would be ignored by scouts. Or if he plays well against teams with lower tier NFL defenses that would be ignored. Dallas certainly gave our offense fits the last game we played. So did the Giants.

Scouts aren't stupid. If he plays well against ANY team with this crap o-line and our one receiver, he will impress. Based on past precedent he EASILY brings a 2nd round pick and probably a 4th added for good measure.

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You seem to think teams scout players from an ESPN box score apparently. A few snaps at the end of blowouts with the defensive line pinning its ears back and no practice with the first team doesn't really show itself in box scores now does it. But because he played well against the SB champs and the next week against Cleveland, that would be ignored by scouts. Or if he plays well against teams with lower tier NFL defenses that would be ignored. Dallas certainly gave our offense fits the last game we played. So did the Giants.

Scouts aren't stupid. If he plays well against ANY team with this crap o-line and our one receiver, he will impress. Based on past precedent he EASILY brings a 2nd round pick and probably a 4th added for good measure.
He's not going to fetch a 2nd. Half of his rookie contract is over (ie. his inexpensive years). If some team wanted a Cousins-esque player and was willing to spend a 2nd, they would just draft one. He offers nothing except upside (no veteran presence, no championship experience, etc).

There's no reason to spend a 2nd on 2 years of Cousins when you can get 4 years of an A.J. McCarron, a Tajh Boyd, or a Zach Mettenberger in the 2nd (and likely at least one of them in the 3rd).

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Kolb, Mcnabb, Alex Smith all fetched at least a 2nd. Cousins will no doubt return a 2nd if he doesnt stink it up.

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Jacksonville beat Houston twice and Cleveland once, and everyone's on their jock. KC lost to Denver twice and SD and everyone jumped off the bandwagon.

If Cousins rips it up in the last 3 games the opponents don't matter when it comes to hype and the perception. He will get pumped up as a legit starter and will generate interest. I mean, has anyone looked around the league at who's starting for many of these teams???

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This draft is stacked with QB talent.

4 years of Boyd/Mettenberger/McCarron or 2 years of Cousins?

At least one of the former will go in the 3rd. Why would you give a 2nd for the latter?

Also, how does Alex Smith apply to this discussion at all? He had just led the league in QB rating while leading his team to the NFC Championship game. And STILL only fetched a 2nd and a conditional 3rd. Yet you think Cousins will get a 2nd and a 4th after sucking against Denver and KC and then beating Atlanta and Dallas?

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If we're dealing Cousins his value is probably going to be highest after preseason.

It would cool if they could package him to get a 1st.

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If we're dealing Cousins his value is probably going to be highest after preseason.

It would cool if they could package him to get a 1st.
Whichever team is desperate enough to trade a 1st for Cousins and some crap would have a bad enough pick to take Hundley or Carr.

People here are insane with the return they are expecting for Cousins.

Anything more than a 3rd would be crazy-talk.

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This draft is stacked with QB talent.

4 years of Boyd/Mettenberger/McCarron or 2 years of Cousins?

At least one of the former will go in the 3rd. Why would you give a 2nd for the latter?

Also, how does Alex Smith apply to this discussion at all? He had just led the league in QB rating while leading his team to the NFC Championship game. And STILL only fetched a 2nd and a conditional 3rd. Yet you think Cousins will get a 2nd and a 4th after sucking against Denver and KC and then beating Atlanta and Dallas?
Really? Then why does ESPN constantly talk about next years draft for QB's? Don't think the draft is "stacked with QB talent." Just a bunch of average quarterbacks that won't have long careers

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Really? Then why does ESPN constantly talk about next years draft for QB's? Don't think the draft is "stacked with QB talent." Just a bunch of average quarterbacks that won't have long careers
Stacked with depth, not with top-end talent. There are at least 7 QBs as highly graded as Cousins or higher, and 1 or 2 will be available in the 3rd round.

Cousins is one of those "average quarterbacks that won't have long careers" you're talking about.

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12-12-2013, 08:08 PM
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It's almost impossible to stay positive. I feel your pain.
I do find it extremely amusing that I'm the "Positive Sunshine Guy" because I am extremely negative on all things (like everyone else) but say "Maybe let's not give up on RG so fast."



This ****ing franchise.

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He's not going to fetch a 2nd. Half of his rookie contract is over (ie. his inexpensive years). If some team wanted a Cousins-esque player and was willing to spend a 2nd, they would just draft one. He offers nothing except upside (no veteran presence, no championship experience, etc).

There's no reason to spend a 2nd on 2 years of Cousins when you can get 4 years of an A.J. McCarron, a Tajh Boyd, or a Zach Mettenberger in the 2nd (and likely at least one of them in the 3rd).
Perhaps you have missed the last few years' trades for backup QBs then. And again, Cousins' 5 games of success against NFL defenses means a whole heck of a lot more to executives than a guy playing against college competition.

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This draft is stacked with QB talent.

4 years of Boyd/Mettenberger/McCarron or 2 years of Cousins?

At least one of the former will go in the 3rd. Why would you give a 2nd for the latter?

Also, how does Alex Smith apply to this discussion at all? He had just led the league in QB rating while leading his team to the NFC Championship game. And STILL only fetched a 2nd and a conditional 3rd. Yet you think Cousins will get a 2nd and a 4th after sucking against Denver and KC and then beating Atlanta and Dallas?
Mettenberger is damages goods, not a chance a team takes him over a well playing Cousins.

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fwiw comment on TNF was someone talked to 6 GMs and the most Skins could get for Cousins is a 2nd rounder

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Guys on the NFL Network saying that RG3 was benched due to performance issues, not to preserve his health. And here's a shocker: Sounds like Snyder was the one who pushed for the trade to get RG3


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Guys on the NFL Network saying that RG3 was benched due to performance issues, not to preserve his health. And here's a shocker: Sounds like Snyder was the one who pushed for the trade to get RG3
Its funny. Shanahan has full control of football operations but it was Dan who wanted to get Griffin?

Man, Shanny's PR team deserves a raise.

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Perhaps you have missed the last few years' trades for backup QBs then. And again, Cousins' 5 games of success against NFL defenses means a whole heck of a lot more to executives than a guy playing against college competition.
Remind me which 5 successful games you're referring to?

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Remind me which 5 successful games you're referring to?
He was decent in the Baltimore game...then didn't he win one game?

Since then he hasn't been anything special at all.

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He was decent in the Baltimore game...then didn't he win one game?

Since then he hasn't been anything special at all.
Are you talking about the Baltimore game where he had 2 pass attempts?

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Are you talking about the Baltimore game where he had 2 pass attempts?
Yes, where he basically gave the ball to Morris for a little bit. But he didn't screw it up!

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Yes, where he basically gave the ball to Morris for a little bit. But he didn't screw it up!
INSANE trade value!

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Its not the trade value...positive or negative...that's going to be fun to watch for me.

It'll be the "Look!! He's better than RG3!!" fans and critics.

You know how this town/fanbase gets when it comes to quarterbacks. Its going to be a circus.

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Its not the trade value...positive or negative...that's going to be fun to watch for me.

It'll be the "Look!! He's better than RG3!!" fans and critics.

You know how this town/fanbase gets when it comes to quarterbacks. Its going to be a circus.
There is no doubt.

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I do find it extremely amusing that I'm the "Positive Sunshine Guy" because I am extremely negative on all things (like everyone else) but say "Maybe let's not give up on RG so fast."



This ****ing franchise.
I'm definitely not ready to give up on RG3 either...

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