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1976 Broad Street Bullies vs Soviet Red Army

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12-13-2013, 03:18 PM
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Wait what? Playing dirty game with biased officiating is now called a perfect game ?
Oh yeah, because the Soviets didn't benefit from biased officiating for years in ALL sports.

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12-13-2013, 03:35 PM
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Lol...tell that to the Czechs and Hungarians.
and, those living in East Berlin.

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12-13-2013, 04:01 PM
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Flyer hockey was a disgrace. Did irreparable damage to the image of our game.

Saying that, they didn't play any differently against CSKA than the usual; although able to get away with more (any coincidence Lloyd Gilmour was chosen to ref?)

But the Flyers deserved that game. Despite the thuggery it was a fantastic tactical effort. Kharlamov and co. looked like fish out of water against the Flyers.

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12-14-2013, 02:39 PM
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If this tactic was so effective, why didn't the NHL choose all goons to play in the Challenge Cup and 81 Canada Cup? Because they were embarrassed by the conduct of the Flyers plain and simple. And Clarke or any other NHL'er didn't pull off any of that crap during the 79 CC or 81 CC. It was good, solid, tough hockey.
But then again the goonery and biased refereeing returned in the 1984 and especially the 1987 Canada Cups.

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12-14-2013, 02:41 PM
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Oh yeah, because the Soviets didn't benefit from biased officiating for years in ALL sports.
In hockey the Soviets did NEVER benefit from any biased officiating.

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12-14-2013, 03:21 PM
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In hockey the Soviets did NEVER benefit from any biased officiating.
Josef Kompalla in 1972?

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12-14-2013, 03:35 PM
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Josef Kompalla in 1972?

Nothing comparing to Don Koharski

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12-14-2013, 03:36 PM
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But then again the goonery and biased refereeing returned in the 1984 and especially the 1987 Canada Cups.
Please elaborate. I don't recall any goonery in these CC's. Biased officiating sometimes is a matter of perspective and can be accused of being present at any game.

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12-14-2013, 03:42 PM
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In hockey the Soviets did NEVER benefit from any biased officiating.
Never's an awfully long time, Peter. You prepared to stand behind that?

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12-14-2013, 03:54 PM
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Defending cup champs I believe
No, I meant they knew the Flyers reputation for dirty play so why did they agree to the matchup initially?

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12-17-2013, 04:46 AM
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That was like watching the scene in Slapshot where the Hansons get their first go at playing.

Question: What is with the 4 black dots at the top of the slot? I've never seen those before.

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12-17-2013, 11:24 AM
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In hockey the Soviets did NEVER benefit from any biased officiating.
Probably because a large part of their time as a hockey power was spent playing against college kids when they were pro athletes. If the refs gave them any calls the games would have been ridiculously unfair, cheating with pros AND biased refs? would be too much

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12-17-2013, 11:26 AM
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But Clarke's action might have turned the series in Canada's favour. It was something that was clearly planned (by John Ferguson, as the story goes), and Canada gained a clear advantage as a result, whereas I doubt that Bobrov or Kulagin said to Mikhailov: "Boris, that Gary Bergman dude is killing us, injure him by kicking".

Purely as offences, I guess they are in the same ball park.
See you doubt that, but you dont know. They could have very easily in the room said "theyre playing tougher than us, play dirty back". No one knows what went on but as offenses, a slash in hockey is not nearly as dirty as a kick. A kick is probably the absolute worst thing you can do in hokcey, espeically back then. And Bergman got stiches didnt he? How do we know how much that impacted his play?

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See you doubt that, but you dont know. They could have very easily in the room said "theyre playing tougher than us, play dirty back". No one knows what went on but as offenses, a slash in hockey is not nearly as dirty as a kick. A kick is probably the absolute worst thing you can do in hokcey, espeically back then. And Bergman got stiches didnt he? How do we know how much that impacted his play?
No sure if serious...Clarke's two-hander that breaks Kharlamovs ankle can not not be considered just 'a slash'.

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12-18-2013, 04:27 AM
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Probably because a large part of their time as a hockey power was spent playing against college kids when they were pro athletes.
Mmm, what?

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12-18-2013, 05:13 AM
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Mmm, what?


College kids? Perhaps, the biggest bull I've read on this forum.

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12-18-2013, 07:42 AM
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Nothing comparing to Don Koharski
Why, because he let a hooking call go?

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12-18-2013, 07:59 AM
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Nothing comparing to Don Koharski
He missed a call on one of the Soviet goals. I think it was Bourque who was interferred with.

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Please elaborate. I don't recall any goonery in these CC's. Biased officiating sometimes is a matter of perspective and can be accused of being present at any game.
At the time, the IIHF refs treated hard hits as roughing penalties. If there was a loud sound and a player was down, they'd call a roughing penalty, regardless if it was a legal or illegal hit per the rules. In the NHL that was considered hard hitting hockey.

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12-18-2013, 08:15 AM
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Why, because he let a hooking call go?

Not only this. The Schoenfeld incident etc

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12-18-2013, 08:21 AM
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The entire cold war affair was more of a scare tactic on the US side and it mostly consisted in sustained warfare against all 3rd world countries who did not aligned with US interests.

The Soviet Union on the other hand was always very conservative and non interventionist in its foreign policy.

I'm not arguing capitalistm vs communism. I'm just saying that from a global view, there wasn't the Russians were doing outside their borders. But they as a great boogeyman, oh yes they did.
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Lol...tell that to the Czechs and Hungarians.
And don't forget the Afghans. The Soviets basically created Al-Qaeda.

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12-18-2013, 08:27 AM
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And don't forget the Afghans. The Soviets basically created Al-Qaeda.
The US funded and provided support to the loonies who would eventually would become the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

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He missed a call on one of the Soviet goals. I think it was Bourque who was interferred with.
A fact that gets conveniently glossed over by the Russian excuse makers on this forum. That was a clear infraction that directly lead to a goal in the third game of the series that got ignored by Koharski. He was simply a ****** official overall.

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12-18-2013, 08:32 PM
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The US funded and provided support to the loonies who would eventually would become the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
Getting OT here, but if the Soviets hadn't invaded in the first place, the CIA wouldn't have needed to fund the mujahideen in the first place.

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12-19-2013, 04:51 AM
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Getting OT here, but if the Soviets hadn't invaded in the first place, the CIA wouldn't have needed to fund the mujahideen in the first place.

and some years later the mujahideen said "thank you America".. how sad...

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